O’Brien Talks About End of First Half Clock Management (Updated 9pm)

The comments that follow are related to the atrocious clock management at the end of the first half of yesterday’s loss at Florida State. As WV Wolf highlighted in comments:

  • Donald Bowens gets tackled with about 30 seconds left in the half.
  • Russell Wilson gets the play from the sideline at 22 seconds.
  • Ball is snapped at 17 seconds.
  • Penalty, clock is stopped at 13 seconds.
  • Clock starts, TOB has his arms crossed, hands on his shoulders, finally calls time out at 9 seconds.
  • Wilson’s timeout at 7 seconds gets whistled.

NC State had the ball at the FSU 38 yard line with 30 seconds and 3 timeouts left and could not manage to run another play until 7 seconds remained on the clock.

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Note: The following was in the print version of the N&O today.

Missed Opportunity: O’Brien said he should have called a timeout as the clock ran following an illegal shift penalty at the FSU 38 yard line in the closing seconds of the first half. He estimated that NC State lost about seven seconds.

“I should have taken the timeout right then. I was talking to [offensive coordinator Dana Bible] about where we were going.”

NC State might have saved time by using a timeout even earlier, after an 8 yard completion to Donald Bowens with about 27 seconds remaining in the half that preceded the illegal shift call. The Wolfpack used just one of its first half timeouts.

Nonetheless, O’Brien said Wilson still could have passed to Tony Baker in time for a gain that would have put the Wolfpack in range for a final-play field goal attempt. Wilson threw an interception down the field on the final play of the half instead.

The only reason that people aren’t talking more about the poor clock management at the end of the game is because of just how bad things were at the end of the first half.

For some reason the Wolfpack chose to burn their second time out of the half after a critical first down on their final drive. Simply getting to the line of scrimmage and spiking the ball would have taken just 1 or 2 extra seconds off the clock but would have saved the Wolfpack a very important time out.

Of course, of the Wolfpack’s cause wasn’t helped very much by a Doak-Campbell clock that seemed to run with a mind of its own. Valuable seconds consistently evaporated after officials whistles on almost every play…and the Wolfpack appeared to lose between five and ten seconds when the clock prematurely started before the chains were set after a Wolfpack first down – an observation that even the poor Raycom announcers noticed.

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44 Responses to O’Brien Talks About End of First Half Clock Management (Updated 9pm)

  1. TheCOWDOG 11/02/2009 at 10:33 AM #

    In sequence, this is how I managed the end of the 1st half, yelling clairvoyant energies thru the tube. ( To no avail. )

    Bowens down. “Timeout! Damn, call a time out!”

    Penalty. ” Ok, follow the ref and get everybody set, start calling an audible! Don’t do it again! ( Pitt. ) Crap! Hey! Time out! Aw…too late. Ya’ did it again! ”

    I’m sorry, RW should have taken the bull by the horns, too. Not sayin he’s responsible, but once that penalty was called, memory and moxxy should have kicked into high gear.

    As for the use of the time out after the 1st down in the game end drive.
    I called that, too. No choice. Wilson had just been blown up on that scramble. Unfortunate, but it was the right call.

    I’m going to reitterate a huge error that I made. I spouted off before the season that this team would be, if nothing else, professional
    in game execution. I never expected the lack of composure on both sides of the ball from staff to players.

    This is something that really sours TheCowdog. I’ve seen alot from inside out, and find befuddlement and panic inexcusable. I truly never saw this coming.

  2. jbpackfan 11/02/2009 at 11:18 AM #

    I was watching that thinking Racycom’s stat must be wrong- If we really had 3 timeouts we’d have called one. I guess not!

  3. GoldenChain 11/02/2009 at 11:28 AM #

    Don’t know where the ‘conservative coaching’ label is coming from. We had 6 scoring drives the longest of which was 3:47. That’s short, which means there was agressive play calling offensively. The 1st TD was an 80 yard bomb. Not conservative.
    The time mismanagement wasn’t conservative, it was BONEHEADED.
    On the radio they said TOB took RW aside at teh end of the 1st half and spoke with him presumably about the clock. My question would be why say something to RW why not just call the TO yourself?!

  4. Clarksa 11/02/2009 at 11:32 AM #

    ^maybe the conversation went like this…”RW, if you think we need a timeout and I’m busy hugging myself, please…call the timeout.”

  5. statered 11/02/2009 at 11:37 AM #

    The sad thing is that this season is going to kill our already mediocre recruiting (I don’t want to hear any of this TOB knows how to spot’em and coach up crap either – hasn’t happened so far). If that happens there is absolutely no reason to keep him. He might as well cash in his chips and go to the beach.

  6. wolfpackdawg 11/02/2009 at 12:08 PM #

    He’s not going to get rid of Archer. That would make him look like he screwed up with the hire. A few more years of futility and then they will all leave or be fired.

  7. Thinkpack17 11/02/2009 at 12:21 PM #

    I need someone to explain something to me. I will start by saying I don’t comment on football as much as I do about basketball…I know basketball. My expert knowledge on football starts at John Madden 04 for Playstation and ends somewhere between intramural flag football and fantasy football. With that said:

    In the third quarter we got FSU to a 3rd and 2. They have a 3 WR set with a receiver in the slot Audie Cole shows blitz early, I know we aren’t good enough to show late or audible out of a blitz…I accept that. But the safety responsible for the slot receiver is 10 yards off of him!? They snap the ball, and it’s out in about a second flat to a wide open slot receiver running a slant for 7 yards.

    What outcome were we expecting there? I mean I was thinking “Is someone going to cover up the slot receiver?” My Madden 04 training tells me on 3 and 2 you need to be a little closer than 10 yards. Did we expect Audie to get there before Ponder could get the ball off? Did we expect a tip at the line? Or were we just hoping Ponder would miss him? I don’t get it. I have to be missing something…it can’t be that easy.

  8. RegularExpression 11/02/2009 at 3:37 PM #

    Thinkpack, I remember the play you are talking about. I think 2 linebackers showed blitz on that play but only Audie actually came. I guess the thinking is that if our linebackers occasionally fake the blitz maybe the QB will be committed to throwing that slant and throw it right to the LB who has dropped into coverage. Of course that hasn’t actually happened this year, as most college QB’s are aware that teams occasionally fake the blitz.

    Our best hope on a play like that is that the QB misses the throw. But we’ve faced good QB’s 3 of the last 4 weeks and we have seen that they don’t miss that throw often. Now if we had a guy closer than 10 yards away maybe Ponder would rethink throwing that quick slant and Audie would have time to get there.

    So based on Madden or not, I’m in agreement with what you said.

  9. gotohe11carolina 11/02/2009 at 5:26 PM #

    so let me get this straight, we have a guy who is payed a significant amount of money to make decisions about how and where timeouts should be used, and we have a twenty year old kid who is under said persons tutelage; now the guy getting payed blames the kid, who is not being payed, isn’t he supposed to teach this kind of thing to the kid during the ungodly hours of practice that each of these two participate in. maybe its just me but the recent trend of dumping on his players is possibly the most unsavory thing i’ve seen in TOB’s reign. i think it really speaks to the poor coaching at our school, as well as the rest of the acc. i don’t think we have to look far, right up 147, to see what top level coaching can do with just middle of the road talent.

    as far as injuries go, hasn’t three years of awful, decimating injuries on both sides of the ball made someone realize that maybe the off-season regimen isn’t working. i just poked around on google, just look up tom o’brien injured boston college 2—, looking at preseason previews for bc over the last few years before tob came to state and every season has someone looking to realize full potential after a serious mid-season/off-season injury.

    but regardless of all this i think we know what the real problem is, so i’ll leave you with some words of wisdom that describe most of our relationships with our athletics coaches…
    http://despair.com/dysfunction.html
    i also find challenges, hope, incompetence, losing, planning, problems, stupidity and tradition appropriate as well…

  10. ldr of the pk 75 11/02/2009 at 6:10 PM #

    The lack of discipline in letting the time clock run us out of a potential scoring opportunity is bad. I am more concerned about the absolute lack of any progress whatsoever in our defense.

    I understand all about our personnel losses, but for God’s sake, our reserves have to be better than what Cutcliffe inherited at Duke. All he’s doing at Duke in his SECOND YEAR is crafting a 5-3 record and even garnering a few votes in the coaches poll this week.

    Not only did we have 45 points put on us for the 3rd straight week, but we gave up about 550 yards of offense. What was ever seen in Archer to begin with? I don’t ever remember KY being a defensive hotbed. Seems that to win there, they had to be putting up 40 pts a game to outscore even the middle of the road teams.. I’m not sure of that, but when is the last time KY was anything in Football? Really?

    It’s a shame for our offense to finally play like we felt they might this year, only to have the defense stick a pipe in us.

  11. elvislives 11/02/2009 at 6:25 PM #

    I found video of what may be one of TOB’s prized recruits for next season. He addresses some of the glaring needs on NC State’s special teams play and he really knows how to tackle.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFv0mSJXz7g

    Let’s hope he comes to Raleigh, he sure looks like a perfect fit!

  12. packalum44 11/03/2009 at 12:43 AM #

    Kinda funny when the boss blames poor execution on his players isn’t it? So you throw your 18 and 19 year-old backfield under the bus every Saturday but you get paid 1.2M a year and have been coaching for 20+ years and you miss a CRITICAL timeout…..TWICE in one season!

    I know everyone is fuming over this but we are likely underestimating the magnitude of this error.

    I literally can’t read any more interviews with TOB. This entire season is INEXCUSABLE. There is nothing left to say.

  13. robzucc 11/03/2009 at 6:56 AM #

    StateFans; everyone is better than us on the Defense side of the ball. The only problem is if there is enough time left in a game the other team will score. Thats a fact! I really believe no matter how many points we put up we will lose if the other team is given enough time.

    While many of you are blasting Amato think of this, at least he didn’t blast PR like TOB is throwing his QB under the bus and having players take the heat instead of himself like a coach should. One thing I will say about Amato is he generally cared about his players and Sundays N&O was just another show of emotion he had for his players. I’m not sticking up for him as a good coach but, there is something said for a former coach to show emotion with players who left everything on the field and the fact he acknowledged this to them.

    It only took TOB forever to say anything good about this team. I can hear it now. Should go something like this; Do as I say, not as I do, but don’t worry because I’ll be blaming it on you! That is definitely my kind of coach. What a JOKE! this is getting to be almost comical now without the laughs.
    GAWolf, you hit it right on the head about him being like a child. I can’t even come up with a better explanation than that.

  14. wolfonthehill 11/03/2009 at 7:30 AM #

    To me, this kinda sums it up…

    When FSU had the ball with 3 or 4 to go, down 4, I knew the ONLY chance we had was to let them score quickly. You see, scoring was a foregone conclusion… after a couple minutes in the BtP liveblog, I convinced everyone else that we actually had to pull FOR a TD, and as quickly as possible. Every single completion where we tackled the guy inbounds hurt our ability to win… we were going to get the ball back down by 3 points, and our only chance was to get it with enough time for RW to do his magic… and by magic, I mean score a TD. The coaches, left to their own devices, would’ve absolutely botched the end-of-game, regardless of time, and elected to just play it safe & kick a FG for overtime… in which we would’ve lost.

    So what was I pulling for and espousing? Not a defensive stand. No – I was pulling for all 11 guys to hit the ground like they’d been shot by a sniper as soon as FSU snapped the ball the first time on that last drive. We’d get the ball back with 3+ to go and 2 timeouts… and we’d have a chance.

    No such luck… 1:30 wasn’t nearly enough… not for this regime.

  15. Wolf74 11/03/2009 at 8:02 AM #

    “While many of you are blasting Amato think of this, at least he didn’t blast PR like TOB is throwing his QB under the bus and having players take the heat instead of himself like a coach should.”

    Don’t worry, not many people are listening to his BS anymore. They know that execution starts and ends with the coaches. If the players are not executing, it is the coaches fault. The coaches recruit the players, the coaches train the players, the coaches make out the lineup, and the coaches substitute. ULTIMATELY IT IS THE COACHES. TOB is taking heat whether he likes it or not.

  16. packplantpath 11/03/2009 at 9:20 AM #

    “and he really knows how to tackle.”

    That won’t last.

  17. Class of 2009 11/03/2009 at 10:13 AM #

    Not to derail things too much, but is anyone else noticing that we wanted to move away from CTC’s NC State team and now we have the polar opposite? We use to watch NC State games that were depressing because our defense would come out, slam the snot out of the other team, only let them in the redzone once or twice a game, but our offense couldn’t accomplish ANYTHING. Now, we almost get teased with the notion of winning when our offense backs the other team right up to their own posts, just to realize other teams can pin us down just as easily.

    I think the future prospects are a lot better with TOB (mainly because we knew what CTC has to offer and TOB is still a bit of an unknown), but it is frustrating as a fan to watch this kind of ball and ask ourselves, “How come we can’t maintain ANYTHING on these teams? We can build up a nationally respected defense, then when we go to work on our offense, the defense falls apart.” Regime changes aside, it’s still frustrating (especially when a lot of the NCAA masses just see an NC State team that can only compartmentalize their accomplishments without really excelling).

  18. ADVENTUROO 11/03/2009 at 11:18 AM #

    I decided to listen to the TOB radio show last night….had not heard it in a while. NEW FORMAT….I guess we should ALL be proud of ourselves….NO LIVE CALL IN’s.

    As much as we moan and groan about TOB, Lowe, et. al…..we should really look in the mirror. When our fan base is SO fanatical and “outspoken”….nicest word I could think of without resorting to four letter terms and making comments that SOME should march down to an ObamaCare center and have their genes PERMANENTLY removed from the Gene Pool….but I digress.

    We have lived up to our HIGHEST EXPECTATIONS….No longer will the Network allow us a “live line”. That is a pretty pathetic picture of how we have allowed our comments to get.

    SURE, I give a lot of money to the WPC. Sure, based on the N&O article, the WPC raised MORE money that UNX. Sure, we do NOT have the caliber of NCAA wins in ALL sports as UNX….but we should NOT be so UN-CIVIL and shoot off our mouth so much. There is NO JOY in taking cheap shots at TOB, Fowler, Lowe, etc. through a public medium such as radio.

    I think that we really need to figure out how to get over our disdain and work for something more positive….otherwise, those that bring shame to our ranks should move on and support another institution.

    It WOULD be interesting to see the WPC Priority on the one that BITCH THE MOST and HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS….If their priority and their intelligence was THAT high, they would have Bobby Purcell’s phone number on their speed dial…and their sage advice would be put into effect quickly.

    It is TIME to get out of this negative funk…we are destroying OURSELVES!

  19. Class of 2009 11/03/2009 at 12:13 PM #

    I think the problem with ‘Peace, Love, and Good Vibrations’ here is that we have seen when we simply allow the administration to solve their own problems, it ends up as a ‘Charlie Foxtrot’ (i.e. the Basketball Coach Search). Spitting and cussing doesn’t accomplish anything, but reasonable conversation with them doesn’t accomplish anything either unless it is one of the Vaughn Towers donors and box holders. Even then, it takes more than a handful of passionate-yet-positive ‘Daddy Warbucks’ to kick up some dust.

    The very bottom line with the “live line” being cut on the WPS is that the villagers are restless and they aren’t doing anything about it. It doesn’t so much infuriate NC State fans that NCSU athletics isn’t where it should be as much as it royally pisses them off that the administration doesn’t show any positive progress and refuses to do anything about it.

    Come on, Lee, at least admit there is a problem in our programs and you are at least keeping an eye on it.

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