Follow-up on Philip

The third installment of LRM’s fantastic retrospectives hit SFN on Friday and can be seen by clicking here. The piece focused on one of the best college football quarterbacks of all-time – Philip Rivers.

Statistically, Philip’s status as the ACC’s greatest quarterback is indisputable. He ranks first in total starts (51), passing yards (13,484), total offense (13,582), touchdown passes (95), completions (1,087), touchdowns in a season (34), 300-yard passing games (18), 400-yard passing games (7), total touchdowns (112), and total plays (1,963). He was the ACC’s 2000 Rookie of the Year and then 2003 Player of the Year, and was a four-time bowl MVP (2000 MicronPC, 2003 Gator, 2003 Tangerine, 2004 Senior Bowl; and offensive MVP of the 2001 Tangerine Bowl in a loss to Pittsburgh).

Those statistics look even more impressive when you consider that Rivers played for three different offensive co-ordinators during his four years in Raleigh. As LRM opined…

What if Norm Chow – who, as a BYU assistant, had coached Robbie Bosco (1984 National Champion), Steve Young (1983 Davey O’Brien recipient, Super Bowl Champion, NFL Hall of Famer), and Ty Detmer (1990 & 1991 Davey O’Brien winner) – had stayed at State for Philip’s entire career? Would Philip have won two Heisman Trophies and then left for the NFL after the ACC Championship and possible National Championship in 2002?

Well, PR is now in the NFL and we try to do a respectable job of keeping up with him as well as with other NC State alums who play on Sunday. (You can click on our Tags of Philip Rivers to peruse a large portion of his archive). There have been a couple of pretty major Rivers-centric items hit the press recently that we did not want to ignore.

The first was a‘Conversation with Philip Rivers’ from The Sporting News. That hotlink is only the abridged version of the conversation as the piece took up five or six of the magazine’s pages and included a huge two page picture of Philip. It was fantastic.

The second major story was national news a couple of weeks ago when a high school quarterback beat Philip in a skills competition at PR’s camp. You can see the video and read all about it by clicking here.

As a parting shot, Shutdown Corner is talking highly about the PR and the Chargers.

Quick, tell me which quarterback led the league last year in quarterback rating? Peyton Manning(notes)? Kurt Warner(notes)? Drew Brees(notes)? Incorrect on all three. It was Philip Rivers(notes), who posted a 105.5 rating, while no one else reached 98.

Why do I mention this? Because teams with quarterbacks that good tend to also be pretty good teams. And Rivers is young enough — last year was just his third year as a starter — that he’s probably still improving. The nearly complete lack of roster turnover can’t do anything but help him, either. Continuity is good.

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15 Responses to Follow-up on Philip

  1. Dogbreath 08/02/2009 at 4:25 PM #

    It all depends. If Ladanian Tomlinson is the same malingering chickenshit when it comes down to crunch time as he has been for the past 2 years, the Chargers are guaranteed to peter out in the divisional round of the playoffs.

    If, on the other hand, Tomlinson can shake the “T.A. Syndrome” and thereby return to his unbelievable 2006 form, then the chargers are legitimate Super Bowl contenders.

  2. GAWolf 08/02/2009 at 6:36 PM #

    Sproles played better than TA last year. He’s really good… especially with PR’s better-than-average ability to hit the running back out of the backfield in space. He’s their future at running back. Anything LT contributes at this point is just icing on the cake.

    Another issue to watch for this year: I heard someone say last year that the Chargers fired a coach who couldn’t win in the playoffs to hire a coach who couldn’t get to the playoffs.

    Several times last year I was a little frustrated with some of Norv’s calls, but obviously the Chargers lost several games via ridiculously bad calls. It will be interesting to see if the Chargers under-achieve this year and if so how long Turner lasts thereafter.

  3. choppack1 08/02/2009 at 10:21 PM #

    Watching Rivers play was awesome…you don’t think you’ll see stuff like that, then you see RW go 7 straight conference games w/out an INT.

    Watching Rivers his last year, at times I felt like he often felt it came too easy for him.

  4. wolfp83 08/02/2009 at 11:35 PM #

    All I know is PR was a great QB for us and I will never watch
    the Wolfpack vs Ohio St game on the Big Ten Network or any other
    channel ever again. I am writing this blog at 11:26pm Sunday night
    and I feel the exact same way I did that saturday. The station just
    showed the game and like an idiot I watched it. It’s just too bad
    that PR didnt say to himself in the huddle when it was 1st and goal
    in the 3rd OT,I calling the plays down here. We worked too hard to
    come away with a loss because of an idiot offensive coordinator.
    It’s really funny how the Ohio St QB called his own plays doesn’t
    play in the NFL and,PR a senior holds all types of ACC records,

    I just cant stop thinking what implications that game would
    have done for us, the rest of that season and recruiting to
    this day if we win it and defeat the defending champions at
    their house in a never before OT game played there and, stop
    their 16 game winning streak. Sorry State fans who disagree
    but that might of been the biggest upset ever won.

  5. packgrad2000 08/03/2009 at 9:04 AM #

    I want PR to come back and coach at State one day. I’m not sure if he has a love for the school to do that, but I would love to see him on the sideline again one day. Chances of that happening? Probably slim to none at this point.

  6. JasonP 08/03/2009 at 9:17 AM #

    Following the theme of PR deserving more, I can’t help but think this is following him in the NFL as well. As posted above, he’s played for a coach that couldn’t win in the playoffs, and now plays for a coach that can’t make the playoffs. He plays in a city that doesn’t appreciate the team (although SD is a great city in all other aspects). And to top it off, 2 of his fellow qb’s that came out in the same draft have won Super Bowls including the guy he was traded for. This is really frustrating b/c he’s better than both of those guys combined.

    There was talk of the Chargers leaving SD, and one of the destinations was LA, I think. Now that won’t happen b/c of the financial mess that whole state is in. Personally, I believe that in pro sports, playing in a large market can help a good team play much better than they are. I think if the Chargers were to play in LA then PR might get his SB ring. I have no proof, it’s just my theory.

    But then, it could be worse. Philip could be playing for the Raiders. I just can’t help but wonder if he’ll finally get his ring when he’s coaching an NFL team, rather than as the Chargers’ QB b/c I just can’t see a Norv Turner team winning it all. Stranger things have happened though.

  7. CaptainCraptacular 08/03/2009 at 12:24 PM #

    that PR didnt say to himself in the huddle when it was 1st and goal
    in the 3rd OT,I calling the plays down here. We worked too hard to
    come away with a loss because of an idiot offensive coordinator.

    I was under the impression that PR changed the play at the line both times and audibled into the sneaks.

  8. GAWolf 08/03/2009 at 12:56 PM #

    I’ve heard debates regarding this as well, CC. I’m not sure what the final consensus was, however. Anyone know?

  9. Wulfpack 08/03/2009 at 8:35 PM #

    “This is really frustrating b/c he’s better than both of those guys combined.”

    I am a huge PR fan, but I just don’t think this statement is accurate. Is PR “better” than Roethlisberger and E. Manning? Probably. But you can’t say he’s better than both combined, when both of those guys have gotten it done when it really mattered when PR hasn’t. Injuries certainly have something to do with this. But remember PR has played alongside the best back in the league when the Steelers and Giants don’t have anything close. And SD has a great defense (as does Pitt and NYG). Like I said, PR is great and probably a better player than each of these guys, but he has to prove it when it counts the most. I think when it’s all said and done he will be the best of the three, but my gut says they are all HOFs and so far Big Ben has a two-ring advantage.

  10. JasonP 08/04/2009 at 7:50 AM #

    Wulfpack, I definitely used some hyperbole there, but ‘proving it when it counts’ is a bit generic for me because luck is what has made the difference instead of skill. Manning got extremely lucky to win that SB when his WR made a phenomenal catch. He also had the benefit of a stellar defense and a great coach. Rothlisburger had the same privelage of playing with a legendary defense and got really lucky by playing 2 of the worst super bowl opponents in league history (Seahawks and Cards – awful teams). Philip just has not gotten the same luck in the playoffs those guys have had and its due to numerous things, but I maintain that he’s a much better QB than either one of them. I hated that Eli got his ring before Philip as we all did. They’ll talk about that QB draft class the same way they talk about the ’83 class of Marino, Kelly and Elway (and the other guy…played for the Jets, can’t rememeber his name)

  11. Dogbreath 08/04/2009 at 7:59 AM #

    Tony Eason

  12. Broccoman 08/04/2009 at 10:51 AM #

    Wouldn’t PR be Marino in that case?

  13. Wufpacker 08/04/2009 at 4:17 PM #

    ^Lets hope it turns out he’s Elway (eventually got his SB’s even if later) and not Marino or Kelly (didn’t get them at all).

    As for you folks that wanna use Super Bowl rings as a measure (some folks even use it as the MAIN measure) of a QB…Trent Dilfer will be happy to know he is superior to Jim Kelly and Dan Marino.

  14. Wulfpack 08/05/2009 at 7:07 AM #

    I don’t think the Dilfer comparison applies as these are three elite quarterbacks. It is only natural that they will be judged by Super Bowls, just as Marino, Elway and Kelly were.

    I do agree with a previous poster that Schottenheimer is not exactly the coach PR needs. Career loser.

  15. wolfp83 08/06/2009 at 9:20 PM #

    The other QB for the class of 83 was Ken O’brien
    of the New York Jets. I should know that one because
    the Jets passed on Marino to get O’brien because,
    Marino had a bad senior year at the University of
    Pitt. That was one of many bad choices my Jets have
    made over the years. As far as PR calling an audible,
    I never heard that. He might have but,I cant see PR
    calling that play twice in a row. I have been wrong
    before so who knows. Hopefully someone can come up
    with the answer. State 28 USC 13

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