Is CJ Williams the next Brian Howard?

NC State’s Men’s Basketball team will tip-off the real season this Saturday night at New Orleans. (How in God’s name was Quinten Jackson allowed to schedule our first game of the year on the road to open another school’s arena? Could we REALLY not have gotten a scrub team at home to get a little more experience under our belt before having to go on the road to visit a team that beat us last year?)

No one knows all of the twists and turns the season will hold for the Wolfpack, but we have already experienced one very interesting twist – the role of freshman, CJ Williams as a starter at the shooting guard position. (If you are interested in what we have penned to this point then all you need to do is click here.)

Coach Sidney Lowe has started CJ Williams at the two-guard position in both of the Wolfpack’s exhibition game victories. As evidenced by this fantastic profile on Williams from the Fayetteville Observer, it is already well documented that Williams is one of those players that coaches love — he is a natural winner and leader who finds multiple ways to contribute to the greater cause of trying to win basketball games.

Make no mistake — I see no way that CJ Williams is ready to actually start &/or be a big contributor in Atlantic Coast Conference basketball. But, I really like the signal that Sidney Lowe is sending to his team – and future recruits – about the type of play that is valued and that is madatory to win basketball games.

Williams is probably a couple of years away from really making an impact on the floor. But as I think about his future, I just can’t help but think about potential comparisons between Williams and former Wolfpack player, Brian Howard.

Howard was simply – glue. He was the guy who did everything that needed to be done and rounded out every other player on the court while the likes of Chris Corchiani and Rodney Monroe and others delivered on their biggest strengths. It was a set of skills that not only served NC State Basketball well in the late 1980s, it served Howard for almost fifteen years of professional basketball – including two years with the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks.

If the first month of practice has been a foreshadowing of things to come, teammates and coaches alike expect Williams to be as dependable as Maytag.

They are already lauding Williams’ savvy and his knack for quickly picking up the nuances of the State system. Wolfpack coach Sidney Lowe sums up Williams’ skills with one word.

“Solid,” Lowe said. “C.J.’s just solid. He’s very bright. And he always know what we want out of him. He always knows where to be. He knows every play. He knows every cut.”

Senior forward Ben McCauley sees an ambition and a mental sharpness in his freshman teammate that promises to add vitality to a State offense that could use a pick-me-up.

“Being a passing big man, one thing that I really like about C.J. is that he cuts to the basket really well,” McCauley said. “If he’s not open outside, he’s going toward the basket. That’s a great thing to see from a wing guy. … The kid is extremely well-rounded and only getting better.”

Williams can only grin when told of the glowing scouting report. And then, true to his personality, he tries to water down the compliments with some of his trademark humility.

“It’s probably not as smooth as they think it is,” he said. “Sometimes, I hesitate a little bit. But I don’t think they see me hesitate because I cut so hard and I run so hard and I play really fast. How I feel inside is not the same as how it might look outside.”

Williams didn’t make a huge impact while playing just over 24 minutes in the Wolfpack’s second exhibition win against Catawba on Tuesday night, but the overall depth and play of the Wolfpack’s backcourt was featured in this article that focused a little more on Javi Gonzalez from today’s N&O/CHLT OBS.

If you want/need more about the Catawba game, you can check out WRAL’s story about the game by clicking here and/or you can watch their video highlights by clicking here. (Whatever happened to the option to embed video?)

Lastly, Ryan Craig wrote a super entry that analyzed the Wolfpack’s final exhibition and described it as a ‘mixed bag’. Click here for the entire piece. I am going to keep my eye on Craig because his entry was the type of honest observation that fans like to read. As you can see from some of his comments below, he identifies the Pack’s problem with only one legitimate wing currently on the roster and highlights CJ Williams’s role as the current starter.

First off, and most importantly, Farnold Degand looked as though he’s playing at close to 100% after returning from last year’s ACL tear. The Pack’s starting point guard only missed one out of eight shots last night and tallied four steals in just 22 minutes.

Again, it’s not about the numbers, but what those numbers meant. The 6-foot-3 playmaker showed range from three, the ability to get into the lane, and the lateral movement to keep his man in front of him and force turnovers. I was impressed with the way he was able to play the up-tempo style Sidney Lowe is looking for without seeming like he was forcing the issue.

As you might expect, if I thought the team looked better with Degand at the one, then I thought they looked worse when Javier Gonzalez was there. At least against the Indians, Javi’s jumper still seems to be more of a liability than a weapon. The sophomore had three wide open looks from beyond the recently-extended three-point line and missed all three.

One of State’s problems last year was its inability to knock down open jumpers. When defenses don’t have to respect your ability to shoot from outside, defenders can sag off your perimeter players, compromising your ability to get into the lane and clogging the paint for low-post playmakers like Ben McCauley and Tracy Smith.

The biggest issue the Pack is going to have in the back court, other than the chance the team may faint from holding its breath while Javi is playing point, is the complete lack of a shooting guard.

Trevor Ferguson is not as bad as his Brian Zoubek-like four fouls in ten minutes stat line, but he’s not a legitimate ACC two-guard either. Of course, it doesn’t really matter, because for some reason, C.J. Williams, the true freshman out of Jack Britt, is the starter for now.

I always make it a point to say that I’ve never coached a college basketball game – or a high school game – or a pickup game – and I will reiterate that point right now. But, this is the second time I’ve seen Williams play in person now, and if he’s the best option State has at shooting guard, this is going to be a long season in Raleigh.

Coach Lowe re-stated his affinity for his style of play after Tuesday night’s contest, but I just don’t see it. Sure, his body may be college-ready (Williams is already filled out at 6-5, 205 pounds), but his game isn’t. I understand that as a freshman he has a lot to learn, but for now he is absolutely no threat on the offensive end of the court. State doesn’t have enough talent at the other spots on the floor to play 4-on-5 on offense, and that’s exactly what they are doing right now with a player that didn’t even look for an opportunity to score until there were two minutes left in the game.

State’s depth is in the front court, and because of that, I think you go with Degand at the one, Fells at the two, Costner at the three and then McCauley and Smith at the four and five respectively. Sure, you probably lose some of Fells’ offense because of the energy he’ll have to expend playing the other team’s two, but you make up for it by moving Costner to his best position and having your two best low-post players on the floor together.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Craig’s suggestion ultimately take root in the Wolfpack’s line-up, but ONLY if Brandon Costner proves that he can actually defend the wing and if we can find a way to basically utilize McCauley’s high-post passing to balance the floor on offense because if we learned ANYTHING last year it was that Brandon Costner is NOT a wing.

Costner’s atrocious ball handling and defensive footwork were so bad last year that I find it impossible to imagine them improving to the point where he could legitimately play the wing. Costner is a four-man who can shoot better than the average four-man when guarded by a post player and who can post up a 3-man when guarded by a wing. This is the value of his versatility. It was proven last year that reversing those positive mismatches creates our own set of problems for Costner and the Wolfpack.

As long as the starting five can stay on the floor (I’m counting Fells, and not Williams, as one of those five), State will be competitive in its games. Unfortunately, the bench isn’t deep enough to keep the five best players fresh enough to run like Lowe wants to this year, meaning a lot of the Pack’s games will feature a quick start to both halves and a likely drop-off from there (similar to what happened against Catawba).

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18 Responses to Is CJ Williams the next Brian Howard?

  1. BJD95 11/13/2008 at 2:44 PM #

    I like the strong opinions, but he’s way off the mark re Fells. He’s not a guard. He just isn’t. In order to be successful, he MUST play small forward.

    Yes, that means that SG is a black hole. But I would rather have one black hole than two, which is what you’d get if you played multiple players out of position. There is only ONE player who is starter-caliber at either the 2 or the 3, and that’s Fells. He’s a mediocre 2, but a potentially very good 3. That’s why he’s playing the 3, and will continue to do so.

    CJ and Fergie have a specific role to play – be smart with the ball, play hard, defend adequately, and hit shots if left wide-ass open. That’s it. They are not going to create much offense, or be lock down defenders. But if they can just not embarrass themselves, it will give us a chance to succeed. And it’s the only chance we’ve got.

  2. primacyone 11/13/2008 at 2:46 PM #

    Great write up. I’m not sure if it is because that it how I see things right now, but a lot of good stuff in all of the above. A lot of stuff worth repeating.

    Javi needs a great 2G to be at his best. He had one on his high school team who is tearing up the record books at Campbell and the A10 conference. Javi is a true pass first point guard who be much improved player by a strong scoring 2 guard.

    I’m happy CJ is getting the starts now. It’s a lot better than getting your first start of your college career against the tar holes. This experience will be beneficial well into the future. I believe CJ can produce some offense before it is all said and done. The fact that he actually makes cuts and moves for the ball is good enough reason for me to have him starting.

    The other thing to rember is we don’t have MJ. That’s worth 3-5 less turnoves a game for us. Fells at the 3 spot is worth another 2-3 less turnovers a game. This will increase the qualitiviy of the any offensive contribution we get from CJ and Fergie as it relates to not loosing the game.

  3. RickJ 11/13/2008 at 2:51 PM #

    “(How in God’s name was Quinten Jackson allowed to schedule our first game of the year on the road to open another school’s arena? Could we REALLY not have gotten a scrub team at home to get a little more experience under our belt before having to go on the road to visit a team that beat us last year?)”

    If memory serves me correctly, games with New Orleans last year and this year were part of the reparations package we paid to get Coach Towe out of his head coaching contract with New Orleans. I am OK with that but surely we did not have to open the season & arena for them. This so reminds me of playing in Greenville last year. It is just not smart.

    This game is actually a pretty big deal in New Orleans – I think their old arena may have been destroyed in Katrina. Gabe Corchiani, Chris’s brother was a big star at New Orleans. Gabe and a business partner gave a $1 million gift for the arena. The court will be name in honor of Gabe Corchiani, Sr., Chris & Gabe’s late father and renowned high school basketball coach in Florida.

  4. Dr. BadgerPack 11/13/2008 at 3:05 PM #

    RickJ- Bingo. That is exactly why State is there I would think (some schools do have smart sports departments). It has to be nice for the Corchiani’s to see the court named for Gabe Sr, at the school where Gabe was a star, playing the school where Chris was a star.

    It would certainly be NICE to open with a cupcake at home; then again that’s been roundly criticized in the past. 🙂

    So, why not do something that is good for the game, and test the kids a little bit? They certainly need some tough road games BEFORE the potential butt kicking down here in Gainesville. With the Corchiani connection, this is something that I think is good for college basketball– and heck, it might even get us a minute on sportscenter (other than when Stuart Scott is hyperventilating over the UNC dunk exhibition).

    One thing EVERYONE should be able to agree on, is a road game not in Greenville, is probably a good road game.

  5. StateFans 11/13/2008 at 3:19 PM #

    For clarification —

    I am not complaining about having to play at New Orleans.

    I am complaining about having to play at New Orleans without opening at home with a cupcake fist.

  6. Dr. BadgerPack 11/13/2008 at 3:41 PM #

    SFN- I gathered that. Logistically, would that have worked? New Orleans IS the small conference team, but probably wanted the “pomp and circumstance” out of the way in game 1. I think all of the earlier games were part of tourneys and perhaps this Fri/Sat was the first opportunity for regular games.

    Side question– who was the really good PG for New Orleans, and is he still there?

  7. Rochester 11/13/2008 at 3:56 PM #

    ^That was Bo McCalebb, who we should have insisted Towe bring with him. He was a senior last year, so he’s done there. At least he won’t carve us up on Saturday.

  8. Alpha Wolf 11/13/2008 at 4:21 PM #

    I see the point that the author is trying to make. I’d have preferred to see another tuneup myself, but on the other hand, win or lose this game could serve to wake the team up and put them in an us-against-them attitude…which they will need all year.

    In any case it is a pleasant change to see tough early season games. Watching my toenails grow was more interesting than some of the snoozefests of the past fifteen odd years. Watching the team not get tested and then getting hammered in January was not any fun, because you couldn’t enjoy the blowouts knowing that the players weren’t learning anything terribly valuable.

  9. phillypacker 11/13/2008 at 4:31 PM #

    So what about Julius Mays? I know he has not seen much PT, but is that because he would be an inexperienced freshman who is third in line at the point or his not having too much to offer in the rotation? Any thoughts?

  10. Bubba 11/13/2008 at 4:36 PM #

    UNO has 11 new players on their roster this year though the kid that banked in the long 3-pointer to beat us returns

  11. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 11/13/2008 at 4:52 PM #

    I’m sure if Lowe wanted Towe he probably didn’t have a lot of negotiating room. NO probably wanted to do an opening home at home to release Towe. The fact that the new stadium happens to be ready could of been the plan at the time or it may just be the wonderful luck of NC State.

    I can tell you the game last year at the RBC was an awful thing to watch. I was expecting the PA announcer to tell people refunds would be available at the box office. I think it is reasonable to expect the team you buy a ticket to see, actually shows up for the game.

  12. wufpup76 11/13/2008 at 5:17 PM #

    Disagree w/ Craig’s comments … Fells is at the 3, and will and SHOULD stay there

    If you saw the games, you saw that Fells was right at home playing the 3 … This is a period, no matter what our situation is at the 2 … Fells is our 3 and that’s final

    I also disagree w/ Craig that we have nothing at the 2 since we’re starting CJ Williams … This is classic “looking from above” thinking while not actually seeing what’s going on down below … Williams is smart, didn’t turn the ball over, has a knack for finding himself in the right place at the right time, and WILL BE an above-average defender … In other words, Williams is the PERFECT COMPLIMENT to a team like this (or any other team for that matter) …

    The offense will be up-tempo, inside-out based – if Williams can knock down a few open jumpers then great … If not, he will be cutting as we’re working the ball inside – he can also offer some offensive board crashing … Add to this that I think Trevor Ferguson is consistently undersold on his abilities – and he’ll be coming off the bench … Will we have all-ACC play out of the #2 position? No, but we will have a couple of competent players back there – and neither of them will be named Fells as he will remain at the 3

    I’m also not holding my breath when Javi is in the game … This ISN’T last season – did the guy NOT see us play last year? If he went to the exhibition games and came away thinking that we are anywhere but ahead of where we were at this time last season then I don’t know what to say … Am I saying we’re going to be great with rose colored glasses and all that? No, I am not … But this team is way different than last season’s team – that’s what I am saying for whatever that’s worth – And I’ll take this season’s edition thank you very much … (Kinda hard not to take any edition over last year’s squad)

    In addition, we are 10-deep this season … you read that right … Again, for those that are over-sensitive I’m not saying we’re great, but we do go Degand-Gonzalez; Williams-Ferguson; Fells-Thomas (Harris); Costner-Horner; McCauley-Smith … I have no idea what he’s talking about saying we’re not deep enough to play how Sidney wants to play … If 10 guys can’t play up-tempo then again, I don’t know what to say … The fall-off came against Catawba not b/c of an ineffective 2nd unit, but b/c they started giving us different looks on D that resulted in some stagnant, stand-around offense for some time (that we thankfully worked our way out of)

    The guy’s analysis is off, IMO … Different season, different team … He’d better get used to analyzing this year’s squad instead of insisting that it’s 2007 or 2008 all over again

  13. wufpup76 11/13/2008 at 5:22 PM #

    “So what about Julius Mays? I know he has not seen much PT, but is that because he would be an inexperienced freshman who is third in line at the point or his not having too much to offer in the rotation? Any thoughts?”

    Simply put, both are right for now (inexperienced + not offer much for now) … Mays will have to be worked in slowly – hopefully getting better going against Degand and Javi in practice … Mays simply isn’t ready for Div. 1 gameplay at this time though … If we can get him some early season game time, then great – but if games are close don’t expect to see Julius for now

  14. wufpup76 11/13/2008 at 5:34 PM #

    One more thing about the Craig article – Anyone who says our problems are position-based or offense-based, etc. as opposed to DEFENSIVELY CHALLENGED OR LACK OF REBOUNDING pretty much loses all credibility w/ me almost immediately

    The bottom line w/ this team is if they play above-average defensively and rebound the ball then we will be a pleasant surprise … If not, making the NIT will be a serious struggle … The offense will either be there or it won’t (so far, so good), but this team’s true kryptonites are defense and rebounding … defense and rebounding … defense and rebounding

    Do those things well and we will do well

  15. hball57 11/13/2008 at 7:33 PM #

    Here’s what I feel from the two early looks at our team.

    I think that if Degand will play like he did against Catabwa, pairing him with CJ would be great. The starting line-up will have 4 scorers (McCauley, Costner, Fells and Degand) and if CJ is a good defensive play, then having a player who is not looking for his shot, but can hit one in a pinch is an advantage.

    When you come in with Horner, Smith and Gonzalez, having Ferguson opens up the lane more for Smith and gives you more outside shooting options. Add Johnny Thomas and you have a super athletic slasher to compliment the shooters.

    I think we will see 10 players getting time during games. I think we will shoot a good percentage. I think we will be a better defensive team. I think we will finish 8-8 in the ACC and win 10 of out non-conference games.

  16. Sw0rdf1sh 11/13/2008 at 8:24 PM #

    Nice piece with good content. I can’t say I agree with Smith playing the 5 with McCauley at the 4 either.

    One thing I can say with all honesty….I can’t wait for Thomas to break out. I’m feeling that there still might be great things within that young man, even with his past injuries that have kept most of us guessing.

  17. Greywolf 11/14/2008 at 1:24 AM #

    “I always make it a point to say that I’ve never coached a college basketball game – or a high school game – or a pickup game – and I will reiterate that point right now. But, this is the second time I’ve seen Williams play in person now, and if he’s the best option State has at shooting guard, this is going to be a long season in Raleigh.”

    I wonder if Craig has thought about looking from where Sid is looking. He goes on to say,
    “As long as the starting five can stay on the floor (I’m counting Fells, and not Williams, as one of those five), State will be competitive in its games. Unfortunately, the bench isn’t deep enough to keep the five best players fresh enough to run like Lowe wants to this year,”

    This is why writers should stick to writing and leave there thoughts and opinions at home about what coaches should do and not do. Craig, do ya think maybe Sid is giving Williams some time in an EXHIBITION game to try and develop some quality depth? That you would put your best team out there in an EXHIBITION game to entertain the writers and give them something to write about tells it all for me.

    As a youth soccer coach, I used every regular season game as a place to ready my team for the state tournament. Our U-16 team was seeded 15th out of 15, having lost more than we won while I trained my forwards to play in the back IF NEED BE and my backs in the attacking positions so that they would be comfortable IF THEY WENT forward in a game. We went unscored on from the field (WHEN IT COUNTED, Craig) and won the State U-16 championship. That made it 4 in 5 years thank you very much. And I mostly stood and watched and managed the substitutions as our players took care of business on the field — my sweeper calling different players back to match-up with whomever the opps tried to use at forward to gain an advantage. 12 of my 17 players scored a goal in the tournament including my stopper, sweeper, and one outside back. 9 went on to play in college. My least talented player tried out at Western Carolina. When the coach asked him what position he played, my guy said he answered that his youth coach didn’t train position players, he trained soccer players. The kid made the team agianst all odds. CJ Williams in that context is a basketball player.

    Craig, coaching ain’t about blowing a Catawba out in an exhibition game, it’s getting your team ready to beat the hell out of UNX.

    Delete this if you want to. I got carried away remembering those days long ago.

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