Bilas on Lowe: “They’ve Just Got To Give Him The Time”

There’s nothing like saying the same thing three or four times in the same paragraph to make a point:

Bilas: Lowe Just Needs Some Time

“But I think Sidney (Lowe) is a good coach, and I think every guy needs some time. And he hasn’t had that yet. I’ll tell you one thing, when they let Herb Sendek walk out the door and didn’t try to stop him, most people in basketball knew they were losing a really good coach and that they were going to have to take a step back to get back to where they wanted to be.”

“This is the step-back portion. Whether they can take the step forward, we’ll see. I think they hired a good coach and a really, really good guy. They just need to give him the time. This is what they wanted and they’ve got it. They’ve got to give him the time.”

Maybe it’s just me, but does every single media discussion of NC State have to start with our former coach?  Three seasons is more than enough time.  I’ll stop now because this is not a HWSNBN discussion.

Anyway, I am not under the impression that Coach Lowe is under win-or-else pressure this season…yes, fans are hungry for success, but I also think that Wolfpack fans realize that last season’s problems stemmed from injuries, inexperience, and yes, some personality issues (that thankfully weren’t enunciated in the press.) I also think that as much as State’s chances were over-rated going into last year, they are perhaps equally underrated going in to 2008-09.  No, I am not saying they’ll be at the top of the heap, but I do think that this year’s squad will outperform media expectations.  At least I hope so.

This is Lowe’s third squad.  Next year and the year after, he will have largely recruited his own players and at that time we can take a fair and objective look at the work he’s doing at the Wolfpack helm.  So far, recruiting for this year and beyond look good under Lowe, so count me amongst those that are optimistic in the long-run.

08-09 Basketball Media NCS Basketball Quotes of Note Sidney Lowe

53 Responses to Bilas on Lowe: “They’ve Just Got To Give Him The Time”

  1. SEAT.5.F.2 10/22/2008 at 8:55 AM #

    Agree that collection of talent and major conference championships/final fours go hand in hand, no matter what anyone says.

    To his credit Lowe seems to be barrowing from the past a technique to offset ego problems, namely recruited a specific region where individuals are very familiar with each other.

    Under Case it was the Hoosier boys, and Sloan turned to DC/Balt. and more specifically DeMatha. V got great players in but when guys came in unfamilar with each other he had to spend time getting them buy into each others success for the betterment of the team.

    Looking for Lowe/Harris to get Ga basketball going, even Leslie is an Atlanta are AAU player.

    Mix in the opportunity to bring in the best in your own backyard with a pipeleine from a strong region and you have yourself a template of the best program building we have had at State.

    Sid is fully aware of this and it is transparent that he is going for this model right away. He will hit it all or miss big time, IMO. Staying hush on who his contingent plan is at C in case Favors stays home is kinda interesting. Maybe Big “Lew” is coming out of retirement.

  2. Ed89 10/22/2008 at 9:21 AM #

    ^^^”where individuals are very familiar with each other.”

    Good point. We’ve also got Mays and Wood from the same H.S. in Indiana, and remember that Wall played with Leslie at WOG last year, and they will be playing together again this year, too. Harrow also played AAU ball with Lo Brown.

  3. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/22/2008 at 9:44 AM #

    We shouldn’t forget that under the system run by the previous regime it is very difficult to even talk to some of the top talent in the country.

    A system that would do the same thing down court every possession regardless of the score. Every play designed to run the shot clock down to five seconds and whoever happens to have the ball penetrates the lane, passes on the shot (open or not) to make an out of control pass to a big behind the arc. More often than not the result would be an awful sounding clanging sound as the ball strikes front of the rim. This sound was even more pronounced due to the absolute silence from the fans in the RBC. The missed shot would generally result in an easy 2 or 3 for the other team. At the half NC State 26 Whoever 40. ugggggg.

    The good old days.

  4. Wolf Dog 10/22/2008 at 9:47 AM #

    I think Jay hits the nail on the head here and was not trying to belittle our program. It was clear that losing Sendek by firing or leaving was going to leave a hole in our program. A majority of Herb’s players were recruitied and here because they suited Herb’s system. Herb’s system was unique and since it was not a huge success has not been copied by other major programs. So it left the next coach, Sidney, with a huge task of putting in a different system while being stuck with players sutied for Herb’s system.
    I think Jay was saying that in as nice a way as he could and telling everyone Sidney needs time to UN-Herb the program.

    Lets face it Sid’s recruits like Hickson have stuck out like a sore thumb amoungst the herb recruits. I look forward to the future. We haven’t had this many looks from top recruits in over 20 years. Even the local N&O was shocked that the two top recruits in the country were in Raleigh and not Chapel Hill or Durham that they didn’t even know how to cover the story.

    So I agree with jay. Herb left our program in a shape so that whoever took it over would struggle and have to rebuild. I agree with Jay that Herb is a good coach. but the ACC eats good coaches alive. You need to be an excellent coach and a great recruiter. Herb fell short in both of those areas.

  5. BJD95 10/22/2008 at 10:17 AM #

    Jay Bilas is the epitome of the common douchebag who thinks it’s absurd for anybody other than Duke or UNC to expect to compete for championships.

    Thank God not every UNC and Duke fan thinks that way, or I would have gone postal by now.

  6. ChiefJoJo 10/22/2008 at 10:25 AM #

    I like Bilas, and think despie the insinuations or outright accusations of Dukie bias here, he’s shown himself to be a straight-shooter, as when he deservedly slammed us last year for a piss poor effort (which game, I forget).

    I think he’s part right to mention that we chose to let Herb go, so in a sense, we also chose to rebuild, and perhaps struggle a bit. But that he did not mention the state our program was left in (perhaps it was implied?), shows a lack of depth of thought and insight of the situation. We know the national media views us as not worthy of championship success, and they hold the view that we should not have let Herb go, but frankly, who really cares? Given it’s massive scope (300+ D1 teams), the national media is incapable of doing the type of in-depth, insightful reporting and analysis that can be found here or (less so) in the local media. Yeah, it’s a nice talking point, but that’s about it.

    I will agree with Bilas that we must resist the urge to put too much pressure on Sid this year, as much as we may thirst for success. We lost JJ and Gavin. Perhaps there will be some addition by subtraction, but we will probably struggle quite a bit this year. This year, I’d like to see a return to NCSU circa the last half of the ’06-07 season, where we seemed to play as a team and gave max effort each time out. If we don’t make the NCAAs, but max out our effort and capabilities, then I’ll be satisfied.

    Long term, things look very good. Sid has shown he can recruit very well… so all that is left is for him to show once again (like 06-07) that he can place his imprint on our squad and put a team on the court that we can be proud of once again.

  7. burnbarn 10/22/2008 at 10:50 AM #

    I want to see an organized/energized/hustling team that makes us proud…kinda like this year’s FB team.

    I don’t expect great results this season.

    I agree with another poster that commented about Hickson sticking out like a sore thumb compared to the previuos coach’s players… I could not agree more.

  8. primacyone 10/22/2008 at 10:54 AM #

    I’m more than confident Sidney Lowe will hang a decent banner of some kind in the RBC in within the next 8 years. He beat Duke and UNC in his very first year. He had the #1 and #2 high school players in Reynolds in the same weekend. I can’t remember a #1 and #2 being on campus in the same year.

    Attn Jay Billas: Duh!

    This is exactly what we wanted and this is exactly what we are getting.

    Go to hell Duke.

  9. Mike 10/22/2008 at 12:23 PM #

    This is not a HWSNBN article. I was having a good day, went to lunch, and sat down with my often lunch partner, USA Today. Took a couple bites of hot, on-sale French Dip and curly fries while reading page 1 of sports. As I turned the page, I lost my appetite as some guest columnist from Arizona syaing how happy they were that HWSNBN was there.

    The article (OK, I should have skipped it but I knew I had to read) was more of the same – how in the world could we idiot fans and idiot administration let this guy get away? So she had it right with idiot admin, but still missed the point on the fans. The article even mentioned the #1 complaint was not being able to beat UNC or Duke. And I thought to myself – THAT’S RIGHT, WHAT’S THE PROBLEM? V always said, keep me in the game, give me a chance at the end. Finishing 5th is nice on the PGA Tour, but I want to beat UNX and Duck. I dont want to be a #10 seed in the NCAA every year only to fizzle out round 1. Give me time and rebuilding – we will get there.

  10. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/22/2008 at 12:58 PM #

    ^^ I think the Arizona State coach is probably a better fit where he is than when he was at State. With that said, I think you could find a lot of articles singing the Arizona State coach’s praise at the start of year three in Raleigh.

    I think most of us can agree that ASU’s coach is more than capable at taking an awful program to the next level, which is a good program. He just didn’t have what it takes to compete on ‘Tobacco Road’. The last coach even had the benefit of going up against Coach Gut and D’oh and still didn’t do that well. You have to have a personality and a hook to compete against Roy and K.

  11. Rick 10/22/2008 at 1:01 PM #

    When I was ralign against HWSNBN I was and still am ready for a few steps back.
    If you did not expect a few steps back you do not know basketball. The righ tc oach is goign to move away from that godforsaken Princeton offense. Since the players we had were recruited for that it is obvious that a few changes would have to be made and that takes time.

  12. Wolf Dog 10/22/2008 at 1:33 PM #

    My favorite Herb recruiting outlook: Is there really any difference in a recruit ranked 30th and one ranked 100th?

    My answer. Yes the #30 recruit most of the time was not interested in coming to play in Herb’s system. That’s the new difference in our program today. We getting interest from top recruits that would never have given us a look before. Go Sid Go!

  13. wufpup76 10/22/2008 at 3:11 PM #

    I was going to link this in the Favors/Wall entry when I saw it yesterday (or the day before, whenever) but shyed away b/c Bilas’ comments came off as another HWSNBN diatribe …

    Enough of that already … Hard to believe how SO MANY national media people can be SO ignorant about topics … He should know our fan base better precisely b/c HE WAS a local player … This just reeks of elitism at it’s highest … Thumbs down on this, Jay

  14. JeremyH 10/22/2008 at 4:39 PM #

    wufpup, is it really that hard to believe? these reporters have deadlines and have to continuously push out work. jumping on the bandwagon saves time, so they don’t have to actually think. the herb-run-off-by-fans piece is ready made, much like you can order ready made term papers for class. and remember, journalism is run by businesses, and unfortunately decisions on represented opinions coincide with what is popular rather than what is truthful.

    Bilas won’t admit to the full story, which is professed here, but is willing to at least hint at it, as much as a dookie can allow himself to. Generally I think he’s pretty fair, unlike Giminski.

  15. john of sparta 10/22/2008 at 5:18 PM #

    packster and choppack1, i agree.
    1. “lots of losses” in my opinion is:
    lots of ACC losses.
    2. “complete (roster) control”…yessir.
    Sid’s recruits are SID’s.
    year 3…how many jobs allow 2 years of suck?
    ok, maybe Sid will be a politician soon.

  16. redfred2 10/22/2008 at 5:30 PM #

    ***RED ALERT***RED ALERT***

    I doubt the link below will work, but PA LEEZE!!! if there are any NC State fans out there who have ever doubted that their Wolfpack BB team/program has a rightful place in college basketball history, or that their team actually played a large part in SHAPING guidelines for the NCAA tournament itself, please do yourself a favor and read this short, generic, and VERY UNBIASED sketch of the NCAA tournament. Also, be sure to count how many times you see the name NC STATE listed and then look around for the names of the two nearby programs that some of you believe are just SOOOO great and untouchable.

    http://www.articlesbase.com/basketball-articles/the-history-of-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament.com

    I say, let the johnny come lately’s have their day, but DO NOT EVER FORGET that it was NC STATE who ignited all of the passion for basketball in this section of the nation. It IS still NC STATE’s name who comes up when speaking HONESTLY about the general evolution of the NCAA Tournament, also when listing the greatest players in the history of the college game, and when speaking about some of the most colorful people and events that have shaped the landscape of college basketball throughout the years.

  17. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/22/2008 at 7:03 PM #

    ^^ John of… I don’t think anyone can say Sid’s first year sucked. A very thin and young team but we saw what Sid could do with Atsur running the offense. Sid needs a decent point and Atsur was better than decent his senior year. Don’t forget Lowe won 3 ACC tournament games and almost pulled of a tourney win.

    A lot of people compare the ASU system to the NBA. In the NBA many offenses may run something similar to the modified-Princeton offense but their are some big differences. In the NBA there is a shorter shot clock and the games are longer and all the players on the court hit uncontested shots. If you don’t hit open shots you don’t play in the NBA, period.

    The former NC State coach or almost any coach can’t find 6 or 7 NBA quality shooters. If ASU does watch out PAC-10 but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  18. howlie 10/22/2008 at 8:12 PM #

    Thx Wolf Dog… your ‘translation’ makes the most sense of all. I think THAT is what Bilas was trying to say.

    Bilas is no lawyer, that’s why he’s a basketball commentator.

  19. choppack1 10/22/2008 at 8:16 PM #

    tcthdi-tgsf – I wouldn’t say that the first year sucked. However, I would say that the run at the end of the year helped hide a lot problems that were terribly obvious in his second years…At times in his first year our effort sucked, our execution sucked and we didn’t look prepared.

    Like last year, we did OK in the first half of the season, (in both cases, we did good enough to position ourselves for an NCAA bid – but struggled in the second half of the regular ACC set.

    Given his obvious talent recruiting, and the challenges he’s faced in his first 2 years – I’ve set the bar pretty low…just improvement in effort, execution and preparation – I don’t even care about wins and losses this year.

  20. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/22/2008 at 10:37 PM #

    ^^Chop,
    I disagree. How could State hide problems in Sid’s first year? He had no players. His only blue-chip, Ced Simmons left, and Sid was given team with a handful of scholarship players, a recruiting class that vanished except for Horner and Sid took the team to the ACC Tournament championship game and had a great run in the NIT. Sid beat Duke and UNC in his first year. How is that a bad year? Not to mention, but I will, Sid didn’t even take over the program until July 1st about 3 months after the ASU’s coach resigned.

    The second year things fell apart which is obvious and everyone acknowledges but to say Sid’s first year sucked is re-writing history.

  21. Classof89 10/23/2008 at 8:53 AM #

    I dream of the day when folks like Bilas of the dark blue or light blue ilk hate and fear our coach rather than having nice things to say about him…that hasn’t happened since Valvano was here…

  22. choppack1 10/23/2008 at 9:42 AM #

    cthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc – And we’ll have to agree to disagree. I really felt Sid’s first year was a roller-coaster ride. I was thrilled and pumped w/ the way we played vs. Michigan in the ACC-Big 10 Challenge, but after that we had a miserable December. We got off to a rough start in the ACC, then Sid made some adjustments against Wake in Winston and we rolled them.

    The reason why I don’t count his first year as a great year was because of what I perceived as games where we weren’t prepared or didn’t bring great effort. IMHO, we had subpar efforts vs. BC, Duke, Clemson, UVA (at home), @ Miami, @FSU.
    It doesn’t bother me that we lost these games – but there was no excuse for a lack of effort, or preparation. If you want to see a game where we lost and I was happy w/ our effort look at the GaTech and game @UVa.

    Had we battled in the other losses like we battled against GaTech and UVa, then maybe, just maybe, we’re not talking about an NIT birth. And I don’t know if we didn’t battle
    in those games because our team wasn’t listening to the coaches or they weren’t prepared.
    But the problems that we saw in the bad losses was very much like the problems we saw in the bad losses in 2007-2008.

    IMHo, the UNC win and our play at the end of the year, helped make a mediocre year look a lot better. I don’t want to diminish those efforts, because it was my opinion we’d turned a corner that would lead to bigger and better things in 2007-2008. After his first 2 years – to me, the biggest question is if Sid has learned just how different the approach has to be in college vs. the pros. In the ACC, you’ve got to bring it every night. You can’t afford to take a third of the games off because many nights, your best effort won’t be enough.

  23. GoldenChain 10/23/2008 at 2:34 PM #

    I think Bilas was the same guy who said that we should never expect the success that Duke and unx have had of late…..even though Duke hadn’t ever had success like State’s until after his playing days.

  24. choppack1 10/23/2008 at 2:45 PM #

    GC – he may have. It’s a popular line in the media. I would say – you’re right, no one should expect that – heck, Duke shouldn’t have expected it. But we should expect the following:
    *One ACC championship every 10 years.
    *One regular season title every 10 years.
    *Beat tournament eligible UNC teams more than once in 18 games.
    *More than one Sweet 16 appearance in 10 years.
    *An elite 8 appearance in 10 years.

    I think someone did some research and determined that only one ACC coach who had been at his school 10 years never won an ACC or a regular season title – Carl Tacy. To Carl’s credit, he did take Wake Forest to the Final 8 in 1984.

  25. redfred2 10/23/2008 at 9:04 PM #

    “we should never expect the success that Duke and unx have had of late”

    P*L*E*A*S*E!!!, EVERYONE, especially anyone who even halfway subcribes to that ^ BS line of thinking right there, read this…

    I couldn’t copy the complete link, but if you will type in “ncaa basketball tournament history“, and then scroll down until you see a http://www.articlesbase,blah,blah…link, it should help any NC State fans out there who have ever doubted that their Wolfpack BB team/program has a rightful place in college basketball history, or that it actually played a large part in SHAPING guidelines for the NCAA tournament itself. Please do yourself a favor and read this very short, very generic, and very unbiased sketch of the NCAA tournament. Please notice that when college basket history is stated as fact and there is no agenda involved, just how many times you will see the name NC STATE come up, then take notice of how mentions there are of our nearby, so highly thought of, and so untouchable, neighbors.

    http://www.articlesbase.com/basketball-articles/the-history-of-the-ncaa-basketball-tournament-

    THAT!!! is the NC State Wolfpack I know and love so well.

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