Football Recruiting to Take Center Stage

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With signing day less than 24 hours away, college football recruiting will take center stage this week. To its credit, the Charlotte Observer who traditionally gives us LOTS of things to criticize ran two particularly interesting articles today focused on college football recruiting complete with a detailed budget of the schools that can be seen by clicking here.:

Carolinas Schools Spend Generously to Woo Recruits
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Area Colleges Rollout Red Carpet for Recruits

Each school itemizes in its own way, so it’s impossible to proclaim a Carolinas recruiting budget champion. But North Carolina ($449,347) and Clemson ($401,083) each spent more than $400,000 and South Carolina ($283,505) and N.C. State ($243,462) more than $200,000 in 2006-07.

East Carolina spent $148,412, and Football Championship Subdivision champion Appalachian State spent $45,000, according to data provided to the Observer.

The NCAA limits schools to 25 scholarships in a class. That means some Carolinas schools in 2006-07 spent more than $10,000 per signee. North Carolina spent $18,722 per signee in a class of 24.

NC State and South Carolina each spent approximately $245k and $285k, respectively, on recruiting this year. In light of their similarity to sister schools Clemson and UNC-CH, one can only wonder why/how the Tarheels could outspend the Wolfpack by almost $200k and the Tigers outspend the Gamecocks by about $150k?

Clemson’s amount is a little understandable as the cost of travel in and out of the more remote area is going to be more expensive. Additionally, they provided a detailed budget that shows that the bulk of the difference also comes from $93.7k charged by the University for the use of the University’s airplane. At other schools, private supporters sometimes ‘donate’ time and the use of their private aircraft to coaches.

At UNC-CH some of the differences are less clear. The Tarheels must fly first class to Maui as their travel expenditures more than doubled NC State’s $193,.9k to $89k.7k. Additionally, Carolina spent more than 33% of NC State’s entire recruiting budget ($87.2k) on ambiguously mysterious “Miscellaneous Services and Obligations”.

Recruits get treated like royalty when they make official visits. Throughout January, recruiting hosts throughout the nation have dined (but pledged not to wine) top high school athletes who will choose a college on national signing day Wednesday.

Records of budgets for Carolinas public colleges for big recruiting weekends in January 2007 show schools put prospects and their parents in comfortable hotels and fed them well during visits.

On the weekend of Jan. 12-14, 2007, N.C. State’s prospects dined on surf and turf ($58 per person) at Rey’s Restaurant on Friday night. They ate barbecue at The Q Shack ($9.75) for lunch Saturday before a catered dinner at the Vaughn Towers suites at Carter-Finley Stadium.

At North Carolina, recruits and their hosts dined at steakhouses such as Ruth’s Chris or Bin 54. “The royal carpet is laid out, and it’s really nice,” said North Carolina safety Deunta Williams, who recommends the surf and turf at Bin 54.

As we shared with you before, the Charlotte Observer has struggled with their coverage of RJ Mattes, one of the top recruits in the state who lives right in the Observer’s backyard in Concord. Well, they found a way to work Mattes into this piece with a call-out box titled, “Top-rated recruit makes the rounds”

Mattes chose NC State as having the “best facilities” which has obviously become a sources of pride for the program. He said, “Everything is centralized. You’ve got all your needs right there — training table, the training room, weight room, locker rooms, everything is right in one place.”

The item to which I wanted to call the most attention was his comments regarding the “Best Hotel”.

North Carolina, Carolina Inn. “It was just an old-time hotel in the middle of campus. They gave out cookies every morning. … The beds were so comfortable, and the (flat screen) TVs were amazing.”

I don’t disagree with Mattes’ selection. Especially when you compare that Carolina Inn to the Embassy Suites in Crabtree Valley that NC State uses because we have no other decent option any closer to campus. Although you will never get an administrator at NC State other than Marye Ann Fox to understand it…and you certainly won’t get anyone to take a stand on any issue that isn’t the status quo…the continued void created by the lack of a top-notch hotel at/on NC State’s campus continues to be a major detriment to our entire University.

This extends far beyond the insignificant impact on athletics recruiting and is a problem that NC State desperately needs to solve despite the ridiculous self-serving lobby of the hotel industry.

For NC State recruiting junkies, WRAL is already proclaiming our recruiting class a success even as we wait on one or two final potential commitments. Calling Leon Mackey!!! This previous blog entry and the links contained within it can serve as some background on some of our thoughts.

“It’s very important to fill our needs,” (recruiting coordinator Jerry) Petercuskie said. “We have 85 scholarships, and people think that’s a lot. But that’s a lot less than it used to be back in the old days. Coach O’Brien does a great job in relation to filling our needs. He’ll look two to three years down the road to the number of players at each position and the number of players we need to recruit at each position.”

O’Brien wasted no time with addressing one of State’s biggest needs — the offensive line. Already, N.C. State has received commitments from five offensive linemen, including R.J. Mattes out of Concord Robinson. Mattes, listed at 6 feet 6 and 260 pounds, is considered to be the No. 11 offensive tackle prospect in the nation according to Scout.com

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39 Responses to Football Recruiting to Take Center Stage

  1. Trout 02/05/2008 at 9:52 AM #

    ‘Additionally, Carolina spent more than 33% of NC State’s entire recruiting budget ($87.2k) on ambiguously mysterious ‘Miscellaneous Services and Obligations’.”

    I figure that comes out to about $15k for each of Black Santa’s 5 star recruits and $10k for each of Black Santa’s 4 star recruits. Of course, you know BS doesnt open his gift bag for 3 star or less recruits.

    Nice find, thanks for the link.

  2. RAWFS 02/05/2008 at 10:00 AM #

    As far as the hotel issue goes, wouldn’t the Goodnight’s new hotel in Cary actually be closer to campus, at least from a travel-time standpoint? It’s a hop/skip/jump from the stadium and football center.

  3. StateFans 02/05/2008 at 10:04 AM #

    ^ Probably would be better…but, still not as powerful for the University as having something on Hillsborough Street or Centennial Campus

  4. RickJ 02/05/2008 at 10:25 AM #

    During the season there were some great discussions on this site regarding overall deficiencies in the roster of our program. It was clear we desperately needed help in the following areas:

    1. Overall numbers – next fall we should be closer to the 85 scholarship limit than any time during Amato’s seven years.

    2. QB – Glennon may well be the best prospect in the nation for the offense we run.

    3. OL – it looks like we got 5 very good prospects. Mattes definitely put this group over the top.

    4. LB – 4 very good prospects with one (Maddox) already enrolled and able to participate in spring practice.

  5. BJD95 02/05/2008 at 10:29 AM #

    I can’t stress enough how happy I am with Coach O’Brien, and the work he has done in the first 13-14 months on the job.

  6. PackWolf82 02/05/2008 at 10:38 AM #

    It’s much easier to get excited about signing a flashy player like a Tyrelle Pryor in this class, Percy Harvin, CJ Spiller, etc. but I cannot be more excited about TOB getting some solid OL-men in this class. I keep going back to attributing a lot of the post-Rivers mediocrity to poor O-Line play and the issues that sort of were a domino effect out of that. So bring on the Big boys! Get them coached in a better system!

  7. RedTerror29 02/05/2008 at 10:38 AM #

    Won’t the hotel issue be solved once the convention center by the new golf course opens?

  8. Trout 02/05/2008 at 10:39 AM #

    ^ Yeah, in 5-8 years, if then…..the golf course is a done deal, the conference center/hotel is not.

  9. RedTerror29 02/05/2008 at 10:42 AM #

    ^Thanks. I knew it was in the works, but didn’t remember timelines, etc.

  10. Mike 02/05/2008 at 10:53 AM #

    $15K and $10K is not near enough for a sweet ride. Unless of course that is a just a downpayment and the monthlys are handled out of another budget.

  11. choppack1 02/05/2008 at 10:56 AM #

    I’m sorry, but shouldn’t state schools be required to account for every penny spent on these recruiting trips? This is something of public record – right?

  12. McPete 02/05/2008 at 11:03 AM #

    “[Mike Glennon] is there beside Jacob Charest [committed to Illinois] and a lot of other great high school quarterbacks,” Graham said. “By watching Mike amongst them, it made me wonder if those guys were good at all. That’s how good Mike was playing that day, let’s leave it at that.”

    Sweet.

    There is also a story on packpride right now about recruiting surprises for nc state in the last 5 years or so. an interesting read, it mentions Jay Smith, who redshirted last season. he apparently had 52 scholarship offers. that’s ridiculous. i hope he’s that good, we lost 2 starters at WR.

  13. burnbarn 02/05/2008 at 11:10 AM #

    $18K per recruit……WOW!!!

  14. Manu Ginobili 02/05/2008 at 11:18 AM #

    The downtown Sheraton is really 2 minutes from east side of campus. They are also building the tallest building in Raleigh, right next to Crabtree, which is supposed to include a hotel, that should work in the future.

    There is something else I can’t understand. If you have 25 scholarships available for each of the four classes, that’s a total of 100 scholarships that you will have in the perfect scenario where every athlete graduate. However, NCAA only allows a total of 85 total scholarships, so I guess they are assuming/promoting that not all will graduate… I don’t know, some rules just doesn’t make sense for me.

  15. treznor 02/05/2008 at 11:51 AM #

    The downtown Sheraton is indeed very close to the edge of campus and is quite nice. I travel to Raleigh for work many times a year (10-30 depending on the year) and almost always stay at the downtown Sheraton. There is also a new Marriott going in downtown but that probably won’t be complete for another year or so. For my money, the downtown Sheraton is definitely nicer than the Crabtree Embassy Suites, though there is something to be said for a free buffet breakfast and having a suite (which all Embassy Suites rooms are).

    Overall, I’m not overly surprised at some of the amounts that are spent on recruiting. UNC having a bucket for basically miscellaneous expenses that is as large as it is, is a bit disturbing.

  16. RAWFS 02/05/2008 at 12:12 PM #

    Jay Smith and Geron James will make adequate replacements for the departing WRs. James in particular…and I hope Smith is his equal.

  17. FullMoonRising 02/05/2008 at 12:14 PM #

    I have to agree with the sentiments concerning The Umstead. It just got 4 stars and it’s owned by alumni.

    Certainly some discount could be established in order to bump up the treatment for a slightly more or comparable cost. Unfortunately, the executive chef just quit at Heron’s, but I am sure Ann will find an outstanding replacement.

  18. mwcric 02/05/2008 at 12:21 PM #

    Too bad there’s no such thing as alternate universes. I would love to see how this story played out in the state’s media had the $$$ figures been reversed.

    “Carolina spent more than 33% of NC State’s entire recruiting budget ($87.2k) on ambiguously mysterious ‘Miscellaneous Services and Obligations’.”

    Can you even begin to imagine if this situation was reversed?!? Imagine if that stat came out (reversed, that is) while Valvano was AD at State? My God, the bloodbath would’ve been even worse. The football program would probably have been deep-sixed along with basketball.

  19. EverettBeez 02/05/2008 at 12:41 PM #

    Has the Velvet Cloak finally given in to age?

  20. Otis 02/05/2008 at 1:02 PM #

    that is what i was just thinking EB

  21. Sam92 02/05/2008 at 1:10 PM #

    it’s a real credit to TOB (and staff) that he’s been able to pull in such a strong class with roughly half UNC’s budget

    but it’s also a little depressing that we’re so far outspent by them, likely to be the case in future years as well, presumably. i guess at the end of the day we just don’t have as much money as they do.

  22. RAWFS 02/05/2008 at 1:16 PM #

    ^ They have a lot of money to be sure, and keep in mind too the leadership of the two departments.

  23. PacknSack 02/05/2008 at 1:23 PM #

    How on earth can a public school have a budget line title Miscellaneous and have it value $87K? If it was a small amount, I could let it slide, but this reeks of “income supplementation” by the assistant coaches and questionable practices that need to be hidden in the budget, but no one is willing to pay for out of pocket.

    We should Freedom of Information Act that budget item and ask for copies of all invoices and receipts.

  24. RAWFS 02/05/2008 at 1:55 PM #

    PnS: refer to Open Records Law G.S. §132-1, Exempt: Confidential legal communications; criminal investigations; and intelligence information.

    See: http://www.nfoic.org/resources/states/north_carolina/

    Any citizen can demand the records.

    While you’re at it, get some of Lee Fowler’s emails too… 😉

  25. JeremyH 02/05/2008 at 2:05 PM #

    Who says you can’t buy love, Carolina.

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