State’s ACC Schedule

Jeff’s partial listing of RPI rankings earlier this week held several surprises and spurred me into looking at State’s ACC schedule versus these too-early RPI rankings. So let’s look a little closer at the surprises (well they surprised me anyway) as well as State’s ACC schedule which doesn’t open until next weekend against UNC.


The unpleasant aspects of this young season have been beaten to death, so I won’t dredge back through any of that. However, one thing that I didn’t expect when the schedule was unveiled was that State’s OOC schedule would be rated this highly.

From, State’s overall schedule currently ranks 73rd in the nation (which will change on a daily basis even when State doesn’t play). Now that doesn’t sound that tough for a team expecting to play in the NCAAT this March. However, this represents a tremendous improvement over what we’ve seen over the last too many years. (Check out this previous entry for a historical perspective on the OOC schedules and some of the problems caused by a weak OOC schedule.)

Unfortunately, the last two OOC games are exactly the kind of game that I would like to see removed from State’s schedule…Presbyterian (1-16), and NCCU (1-15). You can come up with reasons (some good, some not so good) to schedule UNCW, WCU, ECU, the Citadel, etc, but I can not think of any good reason to schedule the absolute dregs of Div I basketball with no ties at all to NC State.


I don’t follow UMD closely, so I was surprised to see them with the worst RPI ranking in the ACC. The same day that I read Jeff’s entry, I stumbled across this Q&A from through their apparent association with yahoo sports.

Are Maryland’s woes because of recruiting, talent, coaching, all or none of the above?

Maryland’s lack of success since its national title run is rather puzzling. But I don’t think lack of talent is the problem. You certainly can win without elite prospects. But to win without that kind of talent, you almost always need a lot of experience…
Gary Williams is a good coach. Once he has an experienced team, he will start winning again.

At first glance, I thought that this entire blurb was totally worthless and I intended to tear into this unbelievably weak analysis. However when I pulled up a list of UMD’s recent scholarships offers, I found that 10 of the 13 scholarship players are freshmen or sophomores. I expect that this will not be the last time that “youth” will be used as the excuse for UMD this year.

I do not intend to spend an enormous amount of time tracking Gary Williams’ successes or failures, but I believe that UMD’s problems run much deeper than this year’s inexperience. I say this because UMD has only had one winning record in the ACC regular season over the last four years….and that ain’t good no matter how many excuses you come up with.


Clemson and Miami both appear to be using the strategy of a weak OOC schedule to build as many wins as possible. This strategy has many weaknesses that we’ve discussed more times than I can count. The chief one being that a 9-7 conference record is not necessarily good enough to get an at-large bid to the NCAAT. Stay tuned to see how the strategy works out for these two schools this year.


If you caught the FSU-GT game Sunday night, then you heard the announcers mention several times that FSU hasn’t been to the NCAAT for nine years. Over the past several seasons, we’ve watched FSU climb onto the bubble and then fall into the NIT several different ways. Through Sunday night, FSU appears to be correcting several issues that have landed them into the NIT: an improved OOC schedule and the ability to scrap out a victory on the road.

I have no idea how Leonard Hamilton is perceived by FSU fans or administration, but this is his sixth year at FSU with no NCAAT appearances so far. You have to think that he needs to get FSU into the NCAAT soon…and the sooner the better.


Using the RPI rankings thru games played on 12/31, here is State’s ACC schedule for this year.








































My apologies for the crappy looking table. This is the best that I could do with over an hour’s effort. If any of the authors know what is going on with WordPress and tables, I would appreciate some help. Note that tables in past entries are not being displayed like they used to be….so the problem goes beyond whatever issues lie between my ears. 🙂

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31 Responses to State’s ACC Schedule

  1. Primewolf 01/02/2008 at 8:18 PM #

    I care about the OOC schedule because I pay $540 per season ticket x 4 tics = more than a days pay to see WP basketball.

    I agree with SFN, there is no way these next two games should be on the schedule. Waste of time, money, and paying fan’s good will.

    Sid said in the fall that talks with Florida, UK and others were in the works. I will hold him to his words. Get some name opponents on the schedule, home and home.

    The NCAAT is important, but no so important than we should schedule 5-8 cupcakes as part of our OOC. Heck, we have loses to the cakes, anyway. Might as well schedule some name teams. It won’t hurt getting into the tournament anyway. Home wins over weak opponents don’t count for anything.

  2. packgrad93 01/03/2008 at 10:03 AM #

    “the road to final 4 is much much easier coming out of a 3-5 seed than it is to fight from a lower seed”

    duh. Just win the games on the schedule & the seeding will take care if itself. Hard to complain about the sad ooc schedule until we go undefeated against them. Does us no good to over schedule & not get enough wins to even get in.

  3. wufpup76 01/03/2008 at 9:03 PM #

    tough night tonight (1/3) for the ACC in OOC play:

    richmond clips va tech by 3 and uva is getting hammered by xavier by 31 pts. at halftime right now …

  4. Dr. BadgerPack 01/04/2008 at 9:07 AM #

    “Just win the games on the schedule & the seeding will take care if itself.”

    Ask Memphis about that a few years back. Or some other mid-majors, like say Gonzaga early in their run who “won the games on their schedule”. The committee gives a crap about OOC scheduling.

    What’s more, you cannot count on an RPI boost from being in a “major” conference with an unbalanced schedule. (Because I know you will say the mid-majors are underseeded due to being in lousy conferences). You don’t know whether you will get a weaker or stronger schedule, which affects RPI. You also don’t know if the “1 and dones” will be against stronger teams on the road– since we all know road wins are taken into consideration.

    I could go on with predicted arguments, but I feel like publishing anothe paper today, so I think I’ll write that.

  5. packgrad93 01/04/2008 at 10:04 AM #

    An ACC team doens’t need a top10 OOC schedule. Some tough games combined with some easy games is fine. Until we go undefeated against the OOC schedule, hard to complain.

  6. Trip 01/04/2008 at 11:00 AM #

    To be fair to UVA…

    16-26 (.615) 3P% – Xavier was on fire at the 3 point line much like ECU/WCU have been against us, except more, and it wasn’t just one guy, most of their team was on fire. Virginia originally was in a zone defense and allowed some of them, switched to a man defense and still got lit up.

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