Miami Beats Clemson, Potentially Helps Pack

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Frank Haith’s Miami Hurricanes beat Clemson, 75-72, today in a key ACC match-up that may ultimately serve to support NC State’s slim chances to earn an NCAA Tournament bid when the 2007-2008 college basketball regular season comes to a close.

I definitely understand that Clemson will have a stronger mathematical impact on NC State’s RPI than Miami in light of the fact that the Wolfpack plays Clemson twice this season and Miami only once. But, as important as I believe a strong RPI is to any NCAA Tournament bid I also recognize the need for any NCAA Tournament resume to include as many ‘good wins’ as possible.

The more ‘good wins’ a team can add to their resume, the stronger a ‘bubble’ resume will look; and, victories over teams who earn NCAA Tournament helps define a ‘good win’.

If the NCAA Tournament were to hypothetically select their field before today’s games only North Carolina, Duke and Clemson would have been guaranteed to receive bids from the ACC. BUT, Miami’s win today improved the Hurricanes record to 14-4 and their RPI from the bubble of #40 to a safe number of #32. Hypothetically, the Hurricanes now would be an NCAA Tournament team and therefore provide the Wolfpack another win over a (hypothetical) NCAA Tournament participant. (Don’t be too concerned for Clemson right now, the Tigers are still #27 in the RPI with a 14-5 record).

Excluding Florida State whose wins over Florida and Minnesota are becoming heavily diluted by other losses, NC State currently has five wins over eams who have legitimate chances of securing NCAA Tournament bids this season – Rider, Miami, Villanova, Davidson, Seton Hall. Assuming that Clemson stays above water then the Wolfpack has four more games remaining on the schedule – three of which are at home – against the ACC’s guaranteed NCAA Tournament teams of UNC-CH, Duke, Clemson. An upset in one or more of these match-ups would be huge for State’s resume and RPI.

The Atlantic Coast Conference exhibits phenomenal balance across twelve teams and is currently the top rated conference in the RPI. For example, the ACC doesn’t have a team with an RPI currently worse than #86 while the Pac-10 four teams with RPI’s worse than the 12th team in the ACC – Washington, Arizona State, California and Oregon State. You read that correctly. The great Arizona State that the media has been lauding as such a succeess story currently sits at #91 in the RPI, forty spots behind NC State and five spots behind the ACC’s worst team.

The ACC’s balance is fantastic. But after listening to idiots like Doug Gottlieb last night who extolled his unwaivering conviction that the Pac 10 is clearly the best conference in America because it is so difficult “from to to bottom”, I am concerned that the ACC’s depth of balance is not being appreciated by the college basketball community and therefore will ultimately hurt the league’s chances of obtaining our fair share of NCAA Tournament bids.

Therefore, I think that it is imperative that the ACC needs more teams to establish themselves as clear NCAA Tournament teams while creating a more clear differentiation between the haves and the have nots. Basically, it would be better for the conference for some teams to start succeeding at the expense of other teams. For example, it would be particular helpful if Boston College, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Wake Forest started losing more to NC State, Clemson, Miami, Maryland and Florida State.

Here’s a cheer for Miami. Keep up the good work.

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40 Responses to Miami Beats Clemson, Potentially Helps Pack

  1. haze 01/28/2008 at 10:53 AM #

    ^ Let’s not remind ESPN about the Big 10 challenge, it wouldn’t help NC State to recall memories of our 1st merciless spanking of the year.

    Agree generally about the ACC but I don’t buy the “our wins are lucky” line. We’ve played 3 close games against the “trailing 9”, winning 2 and losing 1. That feels more like parity than luck to me. We all have issues with NC State’s play but everybody else has issues too. We are just as good as the rest of these middle muckers and could finish anywhere from 5th-11th, IMO. It’s to the point that we have to see the “leading 3” games as gravy opportunities to put us at the head of the pack and it’s the also-ran games that have become the must-wins.

  2. choppack1 01/28/2008 at 11:15 AM #

    Haze – I was referring to the relative strength of the ACC-Big 10 – not our performance in it.

    I agree w/ you. A team’s play against the ACC’s decent, but uninvited NCAA tournament guests will usually determine your destination in March. This one area Sendek really accelerated at – beating the middling to bottom of the pack ACC teams. Under Sendek, we were like Michael Anthony Hall in 16 Candles – King of the Dipshitz.

  3. wufpup76 01/28/2008 at 11:50 AM #

    i respectfully disagree w/ SFN about 8-8 making us a (potential) lock … unless 2 or 3 of those wins come against chapel hill, duke, or maybe clemson i think 8-8 puts us squarely on the bubble going into the ACC tournament where we would need at least win 1 if not 2 games to feel decent about our chances …

    10-6 would definitely do it, but that is an extreme long shot … 9-7 would probably do it as well given a first round acc tourney win … our “reputation” (and the league’s “reputation” sans duke and chapel hill) and bad losses are doing us absolutely no favors

    yes, the acc is #1 in the rpi, but the idiot savants will point to that being a result of duke and chapel hill only … one HUGE win the league has going for it is that our current last place team, virginia, went on the ROAD and defeated top 10 rpi Arizona … before bayless (the freshman az. point guard) was injured for a period of time … so HA HA, take that pac-10 toughest conference in the nation! 🙂 🙂

  4. charger17 01/28/2008 at 11:56 AM #

    Two points of view:

    The first one is looking at what makes this team (from a rankings’ perspective) look so bad. Let’s isolate the two awful losses (UNO and ECU) and the close loss to GT. All three of these teams are rather weak. So, just for fun let’s suppose that we won these three games (which btw, would not do a thing for our resume from a quality win’s perspective). If we were 16-3 right now, instead of an rpi of 49 my guess is that we would have an rpi around 16, and currently we would be a lock for the tournament, in our predicted 3rd place conference finish. (I’m saying our rpi would be 16 b/c as of today, Ole Miss’ rpi is 16 with a 15-3 record against a SOS slightly worse than ours.) My point with all of this is that from one perspective, we are three simple slips away from being what we all dreamed of being at this point.

    HOWEVER, the second point of view is reality.

    Here we sit at 13-6, scraping for our very lives and hoping that we can do something miraculous to just get into the NCAA tournament. We have seven games left (3-home; 4-away) against opponents whose current rpi’s range from 70-108, with the road games being (rpi-wise) the easiest games. So, my honest question is, why can’t we EXPECT to win these seven games and finish at least at 20-10, 9-7 and have at least one very winnable ACC conference game just to help our NCAA tourney seeding?

    CONCLUSION:

    I know what the reality is, but is it really true that three simple slips to pathetic teams is really the difference between what we should expect out of a team finishing 3rd or 4th in the ACC and locked in for the NCAA tourney and what we should expect out of a team finishing in the bottom third in the ACC and fighting for an NIT bid?

    I fully EXPECT us to finish 4th in the ACC and have an NCAA bid locked in by the time the ACC tourney begins, but this is really an honest question–I may not have thought of something.

  5. Texpack 01/28/2008 at 12:05 PM #

    I said in my pre conference season prediction post that the road games against the lower tier teams would determine our fate. That is exactly the way things are playing out. @BC, @Uva, @UMd, @Wake. Three wins out of that group of games. Beat Wake, VT, & FSU at home and you’re 8-8. That leaves 4 gravy (Duke(2), UNC-CH, and Clemson)games, any one of which will make us a lock, plus another road game to offset a potential egg against a lower tier team at home.

    We can’t afford another loss to a weaker sister at home. If we had held on against GT I would really like our position right now. We’d be around 35 in the RPI and be set up nicely for 9-7 in the conference. Nova and SHU need to produce to help our RPI. Nova’s performance last week was bad for us.

  6. haze 01/28/2008 at 12:08 PM #

    Those 3 losses (UNO, ECU, GT) haven’t really affected my expectations about our season (GT least of all). However, the loss of Degand, the virtual loss of a pre-season All-ACC Brandon Costner, our poor rebounding and a propensity for low-intensity ball in big games (e.g. MSU and UNC) have all conspired to ground my expectations.

    I think we CAN finish 4th if practically every available dice roll goes our way. However, we could as easily finish 10th. It’s going to be a battle, either way.

    I do think that we may have a couple of things working in our favor. First, we’re logging a lot of minutes from JJ and Javi and both seem to be getting better by the game. Second, we are getting used to winning close, come-from-behind games. That’s mostly been luck so far but, after a while, it’s enough to keep your head up when the going’s tough, something that can really matter down the road.

  7. choppack1 01/28/2008 at 12:19 PM #

    haze – the way I see it, if our veterans can show more focus, these games won’t be so close. We need to put away teams when we’ve got the chance.

    The FSU game was the perfect example – we’re up by 5 points and have 2 chances to push it to 7 or 8 – and we don’t get good shots on consecutive possessions. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – this team doesn’t rebound and force TO’s well enough to waste one possession.

  8. EverettBeez 01/28/2008 at 12:43 PM #

    I agree with both of the above.
    Winning close games is important for our confidence – however, we really need to put some of these games away. Its way better to hold that big lead, withstand their run, then to win it at the end – GT comes to mind, but there are others where we are up big, only to see a serious of mental mistakes, and good play by the other teams, put us in the situation where we need a last second big play/miracle to pull it out.

    But all of this will just be discussion if the team peaks for the tourny, and we win it (man wouldn’t that be sweet?). But the rest of the season is important in that we need to start play on saturday, not on thursday. I just don’t know that you can win the tourny playing 4 days in a row.

  9. BillyVest 01/28/2008 at 12:57 PM #

    Along with the improved play of JJ and Javi, a lot of how we do depends on Fells and Grant. If Fells can keep lighting it up from outside, and starts to assert himself more in the offense, by driving to the basket, it can only help us. Grant needs to continue being consistent in his performance.

    We also need someone else to step up and become a steady contributor. Whether it’s Horner hitting open three’s or McCauley finding his shooting touch from last year, we need additional scoring options.

  10. Rochester 01/28/2008 at 1:33 PM #

    I do feel better about things now that our rotation is taking a shape that doesn’t include so much BC. Ben deserves the minutes and I’m glad he’s getting them. But 8-8 still feels pretty optimistic to me considering we’re a couple missed 3-balls away from 0-5. If we don’t crap ourselves against Duke maybe I’ll buy into this, but a few days ago I thought we were a longshot for the NIT.

  11. choppack1 01/28/2008 at 1:39 PM #

    Rochester – The good news is that we can hold out hope that BC will improve – and when he does, we’ll be a much stronger team than we are now. (Think of how we looked in the 1st half of the Miami game.)

    It’s hard underestimate BC’s importance. His prescence opens up the middle, he gives us another 3 point threat and he’s a good foul shooter. Last year, he did a decent job on the boards.

    To be through everything we’ve been through – we’re in decent shape. Right now, we’re almost back at square 1 – we haven’t positioned ourselves for success or failure – we’ve got ourselves in a position where both our best dreams and most miserable nightmares are still possible.

  12. Rochester 01/28/2008 at 2:05 PM #

    I don’t remember anyone going from so good to so bad so fast as BC has. I don’t want to give up on him re-emerging, but until that happens we need to keep JJ and Big Ben out there, with BC and Tracy getting time in relief.

    I like that we’re getting some legitimate points out of Javi and MJ the last couple of games. If they can combine for 12-15 points that means someone has to guard them instead of leaving them wide open to play 5-on-4 against the rest of our team. By his junior year (John Wall’s freshman season?) I think Javi is a guy we’re all very glad to see on the floor and look at as the leader of the team. He was nails at the free throw line Saturday (7 for 8).

  13. wufpup76 01/28/2008 at 8:57 PM #

    reviewing lunardi’s bracketology report for this week is just maddening for me … http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

    i know it is still early and quite a few teams will go in/out from week-to-week, but still – 8 big east teams? … 5 big ten teams? one more than the ACC (at 4)??? really???

    i know teams are judged on their individual merits and that the majority of acc teams have not really distinguished themselves as tournament teams … but, it’s just so frustrating to watch the acc kick ass in the early season non-conf. schedule and then see the acc TIED FOR 5TH in # of bids … behind the big east, big 12, pac 10, and yes, that conference that has won all those zero challenges against the acc – the big ten … the acc is tied at 4 bids with the A10 and the sec … ugghhhhhhhhh

    seton hall is even in “last 4 out” status and we’re not even close … AGGHHHHHHH! so frustrating … syracuse is 14-7 – yes, 14-7 and in safely with an 11 seed against not quite the strongest schedule and having lost two of their last three … really don’t understand some of these teams being in … i know lunardi is a big east guy, and usually when he’s wrong it’s when he has an undeserving big east team in his final field that doesn’t make it such as syracuse last year … shocking

    anyway, i could continue driving myself crazy and taking up space here (sorry) but i digress … just HAD to get that off of my chest (which is covered with clothing unlike riley skinner’s) he he he

  14. choppack1 01/29/2008 at 8:18 AM #

    Good info wolfpup. Yea, I’m more than a little worried that folks will be looking to stick it to the ACC if we have a cluster of teams w/ records between 7-9 and 9-7.

  15. Trip 01/30/2008 at 2:56 AM #

    Miami beats Clemson… Loses to wake forest.

    crap.

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