BBall: One Small Reason Why I’m Scared

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It’s been a week now since NC State was thoroughly embarassed by Michigan State on a night where the Wolfpack looked lethargic, played little defense and continued to exhibit NO desire to rebound. (I would typically link to the entries related to the loss but they are so ugly that I just can’t).

As I previoulsy mentioned in another entry, at the beginning of the season I projected State to be 4-2 at this point in the season. Despite State’s 4-2 start coupled with a solid #51 RPI while playing the 33rd most difficult schedule in the country, there are A LOT of reasons why Wolfpack fans are a little on edge at the moment.

The ‘macro’ issues of team chemistry, rebounding, defense, effort/energy and free throw shooting have been highlighted in previous entries and comments. This entry from the always good Section Six breaks down some individual statistics worth noting and touches on some of the team chemistry issues:

In many cases, when there’s a player with a usage around 30%, it’s indicative of a good player playing on a team without much of a supporting cast–Bo McCalebb, for instance. But JJ Hickson has plenty of help. Maybe it’s a little bit of “look, shiny new power forward!” syndrome, but more likely, if the chemistry issues are as significant as they appear to be, it’s an indication that the rest of the team can’t figure out how to play with him. Or that when they get him the ball in the post, they give up on the possession. Could they really resent him that much?

I don’t think JJ is being selfish, and his turnovers have inflated his usage to a certain extent, but if Lowe doesn’t think the offense is broken simply because Costner and McCauley have been terrible, the alternative conclusion is that it’s broken because it’s become a single-minded exercise in getting JJ Hickson the basketball. Regardless, there is no fluidity in what we are doing right now. Everyone looks like a square peg attempting to fit into a round hole.

Lowe’s tried to smooth things over by putting McCauley back into the starting lineup, giving him more time with Costner, and bringing Hickson off the bench. But while Ben’s minutes have increased, his productivity hasn’t. And we can’t afford to play Hickson any less–not only is he productive offensively, he’s a shot blocking threat at the defensive end and the team’s best rebounder. So everybody’s gonna have to figure their shit out while JJ is on the floor. There is no other option. We don’t have the luxury of attempting to work the situation out in practice while integrating him into games gradually. He’s far too talented for that, and as a team we are too weak where he is strong.

Despite all of these larger issues that have been discussed through the first month of the 2007-08 season, I have one tee-tiny-little reason why the severity of the beat down in East Lansing is so bothersome – I’m not convinced that the Spartans are really THAT good.

Last night, Michigan State barely survived an upset by Bradley. Ok, that’s just one game. And, don’t forget that this team had UCLA on the ropes before losing to the Bruins by five.

But, take a look at MSU’s schedule for a moment. Need I remind you that the Spartans lost an exhibition game AT HOME to a Div III opponent? This team barely beat Oakland by 4 points and squeaked by a 5-3 Missouri team (currently #79 in the RPI) by only two. I give Michigan State all the credit in the world for PERFORMING like a Top 10 / Top 15 team thusfar this season. But, when I see that the Spartans struggled against some of these lesser teams and defeated NC State by a margin in the same ballpark as Chicago State and Jacksonville State I can’t help but worry about where our boys’ development currently stands.

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101 Responses to BBall: One Small Reason Why I’m Scared

  1. packbackr04 12/05/2007 at 12:21 PM #

    You have to keep the faith in Sid, but at this point, we dont look good at all. i am very worried. if we dont lay a beat down on ECU this Saturday, we are in trouble.

  2. StateFans 12/05/2007 at 12:33 PM #

    Just to clarify…has nothing to do with Sid. Just having a ‘fan conversation’

  3. Packster 12/05/2007 at 12:57 PM #

    The situation is certainly worth having some concern about. This is the first year we’ve had a lot of talent in a while. It is El Sid’s first time coaching this situation. Like anything else there is going to be a learning curve. El Sid is a new college coach and it takes time to figure out how to win. No one likes to lose, especially looking the way we looked against MSU. Coach needs to start with the basics, making sure players hustle on every play, a la Horner. If they don’t hustle then they should sit out. Based on the huge range of statements here as to what our problem is….I think it is still somewhat of a mystery why things are happening the way they are. I belive a lot of it is player attitude though…evidenced by lack of hustle on plays. Once that is squared away I think the team will come together and be more viable. As a general rule though, I am sure our expectations were probably a little high for this season. We should tone them down a LITTLE and see how the situation pans out. This team can still do great things and in fact is likely to do so down the stretch. The potential exists and by the end of the season we should start getting a feel of what coach Lowe is and is not capable of.

  4. VaWolf82 12/05/2007 at 1:27 PM #

    while playing the 33rd most difficult schedule in the country,

    Thanks for including that rare piece of good news about State’s OOC scheduling. We will have to see how much effect that Old Spice Tournament has on SOS at the end of the year….but it doesn’t take much to see that this year’s tournament beats the BCA Classic by a mile.

  5. VaWolf82 12/05/2007 at 1:29 PM #

    This is the first year we’ve had a lot of talent in a while.

    Not exactly accurate. The 05/06 team had plenty of talent…it just didn’t show by the end of the season.

  6. Big Worm 12/05/2007 at 1:33 PM #

    We are talented, but our talent is very frontcourt-heavy. In guard-dominated college basketball, we may eventually realize that our ceiling as a basketball team this year is less than the sum of our collective parts would seemingly indicate due to most of that assembled talent being in the post and on the wings rather than in the backcourt.

    Of our top-7 impact players, Hickson, McCauley, Costner and Horner are all clearly at the 3, 4 or 5. Fells and Grant sometimes get shoehorned into the 2 but are really more of a 3 in a 2’s body. Fells’ shooting, albeit streaky, and perimeter defense do allow him to play effectively for stretches at the 2 but his somewhat lackluster ballhandling and inconsistent shot do not translate well to full-time ‘2’ duty.

    That leaves Degand as the only true guard in our top 7. Most top-15 teams have either an aggressive, breakdown PG or a deadeye 3-point SG (or hopefully both) in their backcourt. We have neither.

  7. Clever_Wolf_Name 12/05/2007 at 1:46 PM #

    I hope Sid is taking an NBA mentality for the season, using the first half for development while not putting much emphasis on winning. It is only his second season in college coaching and it would make sense for him to fall back on what he knows best. In The Association, intensity doesn’t pick up until after the all-star break and the first half is primarily glorified scrimmages. The teams that take the first-half seriously usually end up with 60 wins and high seeds, but that doesn’t mean much in May.

    I hope that come January it will begin to ratchet up toward March. Unlike the NBA, there is a get-out-of-jail-free card in that if it all goes bad, a team can win their conference tournament and make the NCAAs.

    This is sort of a “young” team, and it is every inexperienced where it matters — at guard. I can understand bringing the guards along slowly so they don’t crumble, leaving this team to 6-10 in the ACC and wondering what-if.

  8. packgrad93 12/05/2007 at 1:49 PM #

    “The 05/06 team had plenty of talent…it just didn’t show by the end of the season.”

    That team made it to the 2nd round of the NCAAs with Bethel, Atsur, Cam, Grant, IE, & Ced. This year’s team has more potential IMO.

  9. newt 12/05/2007 at 1:50 PM #

    I think we saw the best of MSU and the worst of NC State on that particular night.

  10. packgrad93 12/05/2007 at 1:52 PM #

    “I hope Sid is taking an NBA mentality for the season, using the first half for development while not putting much emphasis on winning.”

    I hope not. NCAA seeding is VERY important.

    “This is sort of a “young” team, and it is every inexperienced where it matters — at guard.”

    Only inexperienced at PG & DeGand is playing ok. The vets need to step it up.

  11. GoldenChain 12/05/2007 at 2:02 PM #

    Well the 1st two posts express exactly why I was NOT in favor of hiring ‘in the family’. Now I’m not saying that Sid won’t be a great coach, I’m just saying that no one is immune from some ‘back seat coaching’. If Sid was responsible for the strong finish at the end of last year then why wouldn’t he have something to do with the slow start this season?
    I have been very concerned that in every game we’ve played we’ve had a decided height advantage but our guys stand flatfooted while a 6’2″ guard knifes in and skies for the board.
    The team we have with a large front line relies on drawing fouls (making FT’s) and getting boards.
    We aren’t doing either.

  12. Clever_Wolf_Name 12/05/2007 at 2:04 PM #

    I assume by the use of the cliche “need to step it up” that you mean play well consistently. But in their history, they have never played well consistently. If past performance is indication of future performance, consistent, reliable, strong play from our veterans isn’t going to happen.

    As for the guard play, “ok” isn’t going to cut it in the ACC, “ok” guard play gets you an NIT invite. One need look no further than Virginia and Virginia Tech last year when they had strong seasons based almost solely on strong guard play. Unless you have Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo, being experienced at SG and not PG is a recipe for disaster.

  13. GoldenChain 12/05/2007 at 2:04 PM #

    Although I will say that we are shooting the ball better under Sid than we EVER did under Herb (those patented scoring droughts).

  14. packgrad93 12/05/2007 at 2:06 PM #

    “Although I will say that we are shooting the ball better under Sid than we EVER did under Herb (those patented scoring droughts).”

    did you watch the last game?

  15. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 12/05/2007 at 2:08 PM #

    Sid knows the business of creating the best match-ups for his teams. That is what an assistant coach in the NBA does. Sid just needs to learn his team and that will take some time. I’m not concerned with the Michigan State game. As it has been said before 4 games in 7 days including road trips to Florida and Michigan at the beginning of the season is insane. Don’t forget State just won a tournament prior to the MSU game.

  16. packgrad93 12/05/2007 at 2:08 PM #

    “But in their history, they have never played well consistently. ”

    Fells, Grant, Ben & Costner all played well last season. Degand hasn’t been our problem this year.

  17. beowolf 12/05/2007 at 2:39 PM #

    “Although I will say that we are shooting the ball better under Sid than we EVER did under Herb (those patented scoring droughts).”

    did you watch the last game?

    Last year’s team was the best shooting NC State team since the Valvano years. I am certain it is the full record that he was referring to, not the one game.

    I’m not scared for the season yet. Were it not for the tournament runs last season, our thinking about this season would be about where it is (the NO loss was worse than the MSU loss IMO). We do have reason to be concerned, but it’s early and we have seen these players working together at high levels before, so we don’t have hope in things unseen.

    Another thing that I noticed last year is that margins are greater under Sid — win or lose. Lowe’s Pack pulls the trigger faster and is capable of blowing teams out some nights (as Virginia Tech), but those greater possession numbers also lead to bigger losing margins when the shots aren’t falling — as well as faster deficit overcoming.

  18. ncsumatman 12/05/2007 at 3:09 PM #

    I would like to see a statistic concerning when JJ gets the ball on the block. Percentage of times he shoots, turns it over, and passes out of the post.

    Here’s what I envision the percentages look like in my head, 67%, 33% and 0%.

  19. Mike 12/05/2007 at 3:22 PM #

    Packgrad/CedarWolf, did you see my post in one of the other sections? ASU led 21-14 the other night, then went the last 8:33 without a point. To start the second half, they scored 1 basket in the first 11 minutes. Add it up, this is one basket in essentially a half of basketball.

    All teams will go through a drought every now and then, but this was routine for us under the old regime. This is still happening out west in the desert.

  20. Trip 12/05/2007 at 3:24 PM #

    Let’s see how they take this on Saturday when they travel to the lovely gangstaville. If we have a rough match against ECU (Ranked last in C-USA)… then we may want to start worrying. There can be no excuses against them since it’s only a 90 mile trip, and they’ve had a week to rest and learn their mistakes. I was going to go watch the game but I got suckered into working on saturday… although now I’m thinking its for the best because I would HATE to be in that town if the pirates upset us.

  21. Pack92 12/05/2007 at 3:25 PM #

    Don’t forget what we looked like through Jan. last year. Sid was using the same guys, minus Atsur, but the results were not good. It has to be harder to define roles and take more time to develop chemistry WITH talent as your options are so much more open. When you have 4 guys and a body, you are limited. However, at the end of the year last year 5 healthy ballplayers put a real display. It will take time and we may not get the results we want this year. Sid is learning as well.

  22. waxhaw 12/05/2007 at 3:32 PM #

    I didn’t play a lot of basketball so my terminology might be off a little but here’s my observation:

    JJ is a post up forward.

    Costner and McCauley play the high low offense.

    You need an excellent PG or good passing guards to take advantage of a post up forward/center. The high low created it’s own easy baskets by entering the ball at the foul line first.

    It’s probably going to take a while to meld those two types of big men. Also, the process could take longer due to our guards being inexperienced.

  23. zahadum 12/05/2007 at 3:55 PM #

    The reason JJ has a usage around 30% is really very simple. He’s the only one who can hit the broad side of a barn shooting right now. The current shooting percentages for the guys who should be our major scorers are:

    Costner: .333
    McCauley: .370
    Fells: .40
    Horner: .40
    Grant: .413
    Hickson: .729

    Given those numbers, you’d be crazy not to feed JJ as much as possible.

  24. packgrad93 12/05/2007 at 3:55 PM #

    “All teams will go through a drought every now and then, but this was routine for us under the old regime.”

    happens to every team period. each fan base thinks their team/coach goes thru them a lot more than others.

  25. Trip 12/05/2007 at 3:56 PM #

    One of our PG’s are going to have to step it up no doubt, I’m thinking it’ll be Johnson. Partially because of what I saw in the red/white game, but also because Degand hasn’t shown us anything so far other than not turning it over, and Javi needs another year to develop… so… If Johnson doesn’t step it up, then we’re gonna be in trouble come ACC time.

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