Bowl Talk – What to Watch For

For the second time in three years, NC State will host the University of Maryland in a season finale where one team will leave the field bowl eligible at 6-6 and the other will end the season with a losing record of 5-7. Two years ago NC State defeated the Terps to secure a bowl bid to the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte where the Wolfpack shut out South Florida, 14-0. Can history repeat itself in 2007?

Today’s News and Observer and Charlotte Observer both have nice features on NC State football that also provided some of ‘bowl talk’. SFN has spoken exclusively with various members of selection committees of bowls with ACC tie-ins in recent days; so, in light of the articles in today’s newspapers (CLT OBS article and N&O article) we thought it is a good time chime in with some perspective on the Wolfpack’s bowl possibilites and what you should watch for heading into this weekend and into the Championship game weekend.

The rest of this entry will basically discuss at length the following summation – with a win on Saturday there is little doubt that NC State will be playing in a post-season bowl. The best bowl that could conceivably take the Wolfpack is the Music City Bowl in Nashville; followed by the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte; followed by the Emerald Bowl in San Francisco; followed by the MPC Computers Bowl in Boise. Which specific bowl extends an offer to the Wolfpack would be highly dependent on (a) the opponent in the bowl and (b) the other teams available to the bowl at the time of the selection.

Background and Important Fixed Variables
(1) You may want to familiarize yourself with the general bowl criteria explanations from the ACC.

(2) You may want to familiarize yourself with the current ACC standings and records at the bottom of this page.

(3) We need to clarify this issue of the ‘7 win rule’ that SFN highlighted a couple of times last week. For clarification purposes – this rule does NOT mean that a 6-6 team cannot be selected ahead of teams with 7 or more overall wins by a bowl with a conference affiliation. The rule is designed to insure that no 7-5 (or better) team is left home while the conference’s contractually obligated games are given away to teams with lesser records.

The ACC currently has seven teams eligible for our eight contracted slots. All seven teams currently have seven or more wins, therefore insuring them of receiving one of the ACC’s contracted bowl bids this season. Three teams – NC State, Maryland and Miami – need one more win to become bowl eligible; but NC State and Maryland play each other and therefore only two more teams from the ACC can become eligible.

In a hypothetical situation where NC State and Miami both become bowl eligible with six wins, then the ‘7 win rule’ INSURES that each of the teams with seven wins would go to an ACC bowl, but would not necessarily guarantee them a slot ahead of State or Miami. Hypothetically, if the Meineke Car Care Bowl chose NC State with the conference’s sixth selection, then Miami would effectively be out of luck since the Emerald and Humanitarian Bowls would have to select the remaining two ACC teams with seven or more victories.

(4) As an NC State fan, you cannot underestimate the importance of Boston College’s win over Clemson on Saturday night. The Eagle’s appearance in the ACC Championship game – by rule – guarantees that they cannot fall beyond the Champs Bowl in Orlando. If the Eagles would have lost to Clemson then it was a foregone conclusion amongst the ACC’s bowls that BC would have fallen as far as the rules would have allowed until someone was ‘stuck’ with them. If you are concerned with NC State getting as good of a bowl as possible, then BC’s win eats a space in the order that conceivably would have moved all teams up one and provided a different opportunity for the Wolfpack.

Bowl Talk – ‘The Floor’
Today’s newpaper articles provide us some important insight into the process that is important for you to keep in mind.

First, let’s start with the ‘floor’:

The MPC Computers Bowl in Boise, Idaho picks eighth from the ACC. The bowl’s executive director, Kevin McDonald, said he would select N.C. State if it wins Saturday and is available when he picks. “N.C. State is a great story this year,” McDonald said. “They started slowly and got hot.”

This is important to know. The ‘Boise Bowl’ has publicly stated that if NC State is eligible and still on the board then they would choose the Wolfpack. So, even with a Miami win this weekend, State should feel comfortable that a bowl bid is secure with the Wolfpack’s eligibility.

Bowl Talk – ‘Many Scenarios’
From today’s Charlotte Observer:

If the Pack can beat Maryland again, it might be able to squeeze into the Meineke Car Care, Music City or Emerald bowls. But with a slew of bowl-eligible teams in the ACC, at 6-6 the Wolfpack could be headed to Boise for the Dec. 31 Humanitarian Bowl.

Wake Forest’s 38-18 thumping of the Pack on Saturday pushed the Demons Deacons to 7-4 and ahead of NCSU in the bowl pecking order.

“I’d love to have either one,” Meineke Car Care bowl executive director Will Webb said Monday. “The bowls ahead of us could pick Wake Forest. Both are very attractive to us.

“Florida State probably is in our mix and Georgia Tech could be. And, of course, Maryland, if it beats State.”

Webb said officials from the Meineke, Music City and Emerald bowls work together to put together the best matchups for each game. The Humanitarian Bowl has the eighth and final pick of ACC bowl-eligible teams.

^What Webb says here is exactly what we have heard from various people with whom we have spoken — the bowls cannot predict which teams the other bowls ahead of them in the selection order will do; so it is important to have different scenarios ready to pull the trigger. With this said, ALL of the bowl selection ‘projections’ from national media sites like ESPN, Fox and CBS Sportsline are nothing but bunk.

The other moving piece to consider here is the importance of the balance between game match-ups AND the ability to sell tickets Additionally, consider certain teams as ‘anchors’ for certain bowls. In ACC-related bowls consider names like Tennessee in the Music City; FSU in the Champs; UNC, NC State, West Virginia &/or Clemson in Charlotte as ‘anchors’. These teams are going to sell a significant amount of tickets no matter the opponent.

Rumors and Scenarios
* Will Webb’s comments also provide an indication that the Meineke has Wake Forest and an eligible NC State at the top of their board and that Wake’s win on Saturday probably puts too much pressure on the bowl to select the Wolfpack over the Demon Deacons?

* With all of the previous comments in mind, how could State ultimately get to Charlotte? One scenario would lie in the rumor that if the Music City Bowl in Nashville can end up with Tennessee from the SEC then they would select Wake Forest from the ACC. If the Music City Bowl can get UT, then they don’t much care/need an NC State or other well traveling team from the ACC. The ACC office would certainly like for the Demon Deacons to be treated well at selection time and this would insulate the Music City from the poor ticket sales that anyone other than the Meineke is going to experience with the Demon Deacons.

* If Wake is off the board when Charlotte chooses, then the Meineke doesn’t have a lot of negative political fallout from choosing NC State over the remaining alternatives be it Georgia Tech, Florida State (if BC takes their spot in the Champs) or any other school.

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22 Responses to Bowl Talk – What to Watch For

  1. Mr O 11/20/2007 at 8:25 PM #

    Wake also plays Vanderbilt this weekend in Nashville.

  2. CaptainCraptacular 11/20/2007 at 8:33 PM #

    Just to pick an accuracy nit, both State and UMd entered the 2005 game at 5-5. Only 11 reg season games that year. We finished 7-5 incl the bowl win while the Terps stayed home at 5-6.

    Carry on.

  3. JimValvano 11/20/2007 at 8:42 PM #

    What a craptacularly comment.

    Are all the bowl games on New Years Eve?

    If so…I’m hoping to get to go to Memphis. Never been. Might be fun.

  4. atlas 11/20/2007 at 9:21 PM #

    ottomh:
    Boise is on new year’s eve.
    Charlotte is on Dec. 29th.
    Not sure about the others.

  5. CaptainCraptacular 11/20/2007 at 9:44 PM #

    *What a craptacularly comment.*

    obscure fact checking of win/loss results and setting the record straight, no matter how unimportant to the real discussion at hand, really does it for me.

    To get back to 2007, I’m really irritated that BC beat Clemson. I have had tickets to the ACC champ game during its brief short life in Jax and have made a small tradition of going with my Uncle who lives in that area. I really really really don’t want to see BC vs VT, as I will have no team to root for. BC fans have totally turned me against their school (I was neutral before) and while I feel for the VT community, their football program past and present are a bunch of bunch of no-class thugs who I really don’t want to see win the ACC either. So if VT beats UVa the baby Jesus will cry and I will be forced to see a game that would be like watching Ahmenedijad vs Kim Jong Il for the middleweight despot championship of the world. At least the company will be good.

    As for State, lets beat Maryland first and then start talking bowls. The collective fan base sure got ahead of itself before coming back to earth after the Wake beatdown.

  6. CaptainCraptacular 11/20/2007 at 9:52 PM #

    ^ Not to trample on the fine article by SFN, because it was a very interesting hypothetical exercise. I’m just not a believer in counting chickens before they hatch, *especially* when it comes to North Carolina State University athletic success.

  7. atlas 11/20/2007 at 9:52 PM #

    Also applicable:
    The collective fan base sure got ahead of itself before coming back to earth after the UNO beatdown.

  8. bTHEredterror 11/20/2007 at 10:32 PM #

    Another anchor for the Music City would be Alabama or Auburn, both of whom mine Memphis for talent as much as Tennessee and would fill the Stadium. And probably Clemson in the Champs, they have traveled well to Florida and might be more attractive if FSU gets trounced against Florida. I guess Cal would be an anchor for the Emerald if it matters between us and GT.

    Good analysis guys. So if WVU falls into Charlotte, who would the choice be? FSU?

  9. CaptainCraptacular 11/20/2007 at 11:53 PM #

    I think you are more likely to see the Patriots collapse and lose their next 6 games before you see WVU fall to Charlotte. The Gator will snatch up WVU in the unlikely event that they don’t win the Big East and go to the BCS.

    A blurb from Stewart Mandel in one of his latest articles specifically on the Gator:

    *One point of clarification this week: I’ve been inadvertently disseminating some misinformation regarding the Big 12’s selection order. I, and apparently most of those projecting bowls, were under the impression that once over a four-year period, the Gator Bowl can move ahead of the Cotton and Holiday bowls and select the Big 12’s No. 2 team. Considering the plethora of highly ranked Big 12 teams this season, we proceeded under the assumption that the Gator would do just that.*

    *However, I was informed last week that the Gator Bowl cannot exercise that right in years when the conference sends two teams to the BCS, as will almost certainly be the case this season. Instead, the Gator chooses fourth (technically fifth, what with the two BCS teams), which means no one was more overjoyed by Texas Tech’s win Saturday than the folks in Jacksonville.*

    Given a hypothetical choice for the Gator selection committee between WVU and the 5th place Big 12 team, I’d wager on WVU. Their good travel rep only makes that more of a lock.

  10. CaptainCraptacular 11/20/2007 at 11:54 PM #

    ^ I meant the 5th choice among Big 12 teams, not 5th place.

  11. choppack1 11/21/2007 at 12:08 AM #

    Good post. There was a good article in today’s WS Journal where Blackmon said he’d be happy to go to Boise. Those are my sentiments exactly. In addition, TOB mentioned how much he’d like to have to the extra time to evaluate and coach our kids.

    This year – I don’t give a tinkers damn. It will be the first bowl I miss since the All-American Bowl ( or Copper Bowl – whichever one was last)….Regardless, getting a bowl game this year would be a stellar accomplishment for TOB…if we lose, we’ll have lost all 5 games against ACC bowl teams. If we win, we’ll be going to a bowl game and finished 4-4 in the conference.

  12. StateFans 11/21/2007 at 12:15 AM #

    The gator is going big 12 this year

    Sun bowl has big east #2

    Any other speculation is incorrect

  13. VaWolf82 11/21/2007 at 1:23 AM #

    The Eagle’s appearance in the ACC Championship game – by rule – guarantees that they cannot fall beyond the Champs Bowl in Orlando.

    Need to make that the Music Bowl. From theacc.com article linked above:

    The ACC Divisional Champion which does not win the ACC Dr. Pepper Championship Game is guaranteed to be selected by one of four bowl games from among the Chick-fil-A Bowl, the Toyota Gator Bowl, the Champs Sports Bowl or the Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl, unless the team desires to go to another ACC-affiliated bowl game.

  14. CaptainCraptacular 11/21/2007 at 10:11 AM #

    *The gator is going big 12 this year, Any other speculation is incorrect*

    You have an insider source on the Gator selection committee? They don’t have to take the Big 12. If the Big 12 sends 2 to the BCS and WVU is available at their selection, why in the world would they take Big 12 #5 over WVU? That makes zero financial sense.

    Thats all moot anyway though. WVU is going to go to the BCS and the gator’s Big East choices will be UConn or Cincinnati, in which case most any Big 12 team is more attractive.

  15. gopack968 11/21/2007 at 12:11 PM #

    Man, let’s just win the damn game on Saturday and let the chips fall where they may. After the pre-season prognostications and the first six games, I don’t care if the Pack winds up in the LL Bean Thermo-Insulate Nome Bowl.

  16. wxpack 11/21/2007 at 12:25 PM #

    I think the Muffler Bowl will take us if we win and Wake does get picked elsewhere ahead of us. That is what I am hearing in Charlotte. It is about butts in the seats, period!

  17. McPete 11/21/2007 at 2:20 PM #

    Is the boise bowl called the MPC Computers bowl, or the Humanitarian bowl? It’s been callled both in different places. Or maybe it’s both. but my personal favorite ridiculous bowl name: The San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl. The winner gets a plate of bank teller Mabel’s Christmas cookies.

    One thing to add: if State wins this weekend and if no conference-affiliated bowl selected state (which seems like a remote possibility given the info provided), they probably would not be selected for an at-large bowl b/c of the number of 7 win schools available across the country.

  18. RabidWolf 11/21/2007 at 3:17 PM #

    After the start of the season the ‘Pack had, I’d be happy with the Doc Johnson Marital Aids Bowl! 😛

  19. RabidWolf 11/21/2007 at 3:19 PM #

    Would they display THAT trophy in the case, or would Fowlup keep it in his office?

  20. McPete 11/21/2007 at 3:38 PM #

    or maybe the Head On “Apply Directly to the Forehead” Bowl. and we’d just see that one commercial during every break.

  21. RabidWolf 11/21/2007 at 4:03 PM #

    Ummmm….I won’t even TRY to make a connection between the Doc Johnson and Head On Bowls……I just won’t…but it would be sooooo easy!

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