‘Crisis’ averted. Friday morning update -
“After much consideration and work by student leaders, specifically Jay Dawkins, an agreement was reached with Dr. Tom Stafford. The agreement was reached that all 2,847 tickets will be allotted to Campout.”
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Tonight I received the following email from a friend who asked me to forward it to others..
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SO WHAT’S GOING ON?
N.C. State is about to break all records for Campout on Friday with well over 3,000+ campers, as reported in Technician on Thursday:
Jay Dawkins, Chairman of the Student Senate Campus Community Committee, worked with University Athletics to make sure every single person who camped out for the entire night Friday-Saturday would be guaranteed a ticket to the event…
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…but then shortly before 5:00pm on Thursday, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Tom Stafford announced that the Campus Community Committee’s decision to make people *actually* camp out to get tickets was unfair to students who did not — and he ordered that all tickets be awarded by lottery, with a set amount of tickets for students who camped out and a set amount of tickets for students who don’t.
In an email response to his decision, Student Body President Bobby Mills supported this plan, saying “Dr. Stafford, I totally agree with you… I warned the committee about this decision [to make students camp out].”
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If your odds of getting a ticket for camping out are decided at random, and the odds of getting a ticket if you *don’t* camp out are decided at random, there’s essentially no incentive to camp out.
In other words, this was an intentional sabotage of the Campout tradition.
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At 3:00pm on Friday afternoon, students who are outraged by the Vice Chancellor’s and Student Body President’s decision to sabotage Campout will be gathering out front of Holladay Hall for a rally to demand that the tickets get restored so that every single ticket to the UNC basketball game goes to students who actually camp out at Campout!
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So, I fired off the following with my forward but had problems with my email server and decided to post it here on SFN. SInce I didn’t get it out to the masses, perhaps you can just send your friends in and around Raleigh this link. My comments were as follows:
I know that you think that you are too old for this stuff…and I know that you initially will disregard my forwarded email as really insignificant stuff…
…but, I am forwarding you this quick email to call your attention to the continued crackdown on the student experience at our alma mater. Do yourself a favor and peruse the forwarded email and the link to the Technician article to give yourself an education at just how #($#&-up the “Fun Police” have become at NC State.
You may or may not know that campouts on campus for tickets have been extinct for years. So, it was particularly encouraging to learn that the student body recognized the value of the experience and the obvious tenent that one who actually has to sacrifice for something will value the ticket significantly more than someone who makes no investment and receives something at random. (Have you been wondered why the student section doesn’t compare with when you were in school?) Of course, in the screwed up wisdom of college campuses in 2008’s America, it is considered “fair” to give things to people who don’t want to prioritize, invest, sacrifice or work for them over the people who are willing to earn the right. If only my professors would have been so “fair”.
NC State continues its rapid DE-evolution into a commuter school with very little social experience or campus life as evidenced by the continued destruction of the traditions that have historically bound generations of alumni from different time periods. We’ve already been guilty of absence as Tom Stafford has almost single-handedly destroyed NC State’s greek system which now sits at about half of the population as it did 15 years ago. And, don’t forget about the tailgating restrictions that Stafford (and crew) swept over alll alums a couple of years ago. Many wonder if Stafford and his institutionalized “fun and fair police” will stop until no student wants to live on campus and until no beer is consumed in any private or public establishment in West Raleigh.
Perhaps it is time for the key constituency of young, successful alumni and donors to start to making our voices heard for the ‘leaders’ that don’t grasp the long term value of providing a wonderful collegiate experience to students while they are on campus?
If you live in Raleigh and have a few minutes before the weekend arrives on a random Friday afternoon tomorrow, you may want to consider stopping by this event at 3pm tomorrow. Seriously…what would it hurt to invest a few minutes into something that I think/hope means something to you? The more bodies present…even if they are just milling around…will carry a big impact. (If you REALLY want to make them mad then show up drinking beer and wearing greek letters!)
I have included friends who don’t live in Raleigh on this email to encourage you to consider forwarding this to some of your friends who may be in the Triangle.
Thank you for your time.
Post-Script:
For a little more reference I am adding a couple of old blog entries that include some great comments from readers that are relevant to this that some of you may enjoy.
2/1/06 - Campout draws a small crowd
1/30/07 - Technician to Stafford: Improve or Retire
11/16/06 - Thank you, Clemson
2/21/07 - ‘Raleigh Time’
I am a student and unfortunately I can’t be there at 3:00 today since I’ll be out of town, but what Dr. Stafford doesn’t take into account is that if a student wants a ticket without camping out, all he or she has to do is join the Student Wolfpack Club and get one that way. And even with the SWPC, we have to meet at 6:00 AM at Reynolds this morning (Friday, Feb 8th) to get vouchers just to later receive a ticket to the game on gameday. Point is: if you want tickets to the Carolina game, you either gotta campout the school’s [traditional] way or join the SWPC and wake up at the buttcrack of dawn and get one that way. Nobody deserves to get a ticket by sittin on their butts, entering their student ID number, and clickin a button. My personal opinion.
Woah. I haven’t heard about this at all and I’m enrolled currently. I signed up for camp out with 12 other people and I’m going to be exceptionally pissed if some random person got a ticket simply by clicking a link on the internet and I don’t get one after sleeping on the dirt for 6 hours and having to go to work immediately after.
I’ve been okay with the online system for the most part, although I think it should reward people who attend more games with better seats–Man, I’m tired of sitting behind the freaking tubas. However, when you give tickets out impartially in a case like this, it is only giving incentive for people to be lazy and just click for tickets. Why should I freeze my ass off when I have just as good of a chance of grabbing tickets by sitting on my ass at home?
In an email response to his decision, Student Body President Bobby Mills supported this plan, saying “Dr. Stafford, I totally agree with you… I warned the committee about this decision [to make students camp out].”
Good thing I didn’t vote for that prick. What an ass kisser. Of course he doesn’t give a shit when he gets to sit on the court every game.
I’m going to campout regardless, and I’ll try my damnedest to show up for this although I do have class during it. :\
I don’t know how the smiley face happened but that’s supposed to be ‘(Friday, Feb [the ninth])’.
SFN Note: I fixed that for you. You get it auto-magically when you type in the numeral 8 followed immediately by a close parenthesis. It keys a shortcut to an emoticon. In the future, just put a space between the two.
I am college student, and I do not plan on attending the campout (mostly because I have tickets anyway), but come on…I have never really liked the lottery system anyway, and the campout would throw some fire into our campus and Wolfpack spirits. It would be nice to know that the students who were at the game, sacrificed somewhat to enjoy our biggest contest of the year. I for one am sick of seeing empty seats in our student section, and it’s like the Ebay commericials,- “It’s better when you win it”.
They may take our lives, but they’ll never take our FREEEEEEEEDOM!!!!
as of now jay dawkins (campout organizer) talked stafford into letting all the tickets return to the campout. jay worked very hard arguing his point that it would be unfair to go back on his word and stafford finally gave in. so as of late thursday night all is well. hopefully we (the students) won’t wake up to any more surprises in the morning.
thread regarding the topic:
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=513713
And FYI, when I was at State, campout wasn’t a “sacrifice.” We talked about it all year in anticipation of it. It was a rite of passage. We did it because it was distinctly “NC State.” Basically, it’s was just one of those things we did.
Carolina and Duke were both big campouts and we got a package deal, usually a Maryland or Virginia ticket with each. But we camped out because it was apart of our culture and even more importantly, it was FUN. Tracking down fire barrels and pallets for firewood and renting a tent from Carmichael and stocking up on essentials.
I didn’t even get tickets the last time I camped out. In fact, we had non-sanctioned campouts for Georgia Tech tickets in the snow.
What’s next on Stafford’s list, eliminating beef tips and rice from the dining hall menu? I’m telling ya’ll this, if he isn’t stopped, there might be a day where there isn’t a Bojangle’s on Western…
No Bojangles on western would be the last straw my friend.
just got an email, part of it reading:
“After much consideration and work by student leaders, specifically Jay
Dawkins, an agreement was reached with Dr. Tom Stafford. The agreement
was reached that all 2,847 tickets will be allotted to Campout.”
thank goodness
that’s great to hear roon!
Not only did I camp out for basketball tickets, I also camped out for a Commuter Parking Sticker so I could park in the best on-campus lots. Since that was good for the entire year, it was actually more valuable to me than a good seat for one game. Heresy? Maybe, but any of you who ever parked in the Fringe lots know what I’m talking about
I was camping out in the disaster of 2000 where many campers were left without tickets due to political reasons.
I really thought that night was awesome, there was still snow in the ground and we had so much fun until the group that was ahead of us was denied tickets, and so were we and the rest of the people.
It is a pity that tradition is being killed by the PC bunch.
Camping out in the 70’s to get a ticket to Reynolds was one of the great experience of college life……..My Sr. year I was on the sideline for every game. Its too bad we have become so politically correct that we cant see the trees for the forest.
As a HOZE Squad member, the latest I ever got in line for tickets to an ACC game was about 3 am. That’s what it took to get the seats in Section K directly behind the State bench in Reynolds. The opportunity to scream at Reggie Jackson, Lenny Wirtz, Doh, Dan Meagher, Ralph Sampson, Terry Holland, et. al., was way more than worth it. The permeation of socialist principles into things like student tickets is the result of having a bunch of liberal weenies in charge. The closest we ever came to a lottery for distribution was when they did random distribution of tickets for a couple of games right after the semester break. Students who gwt UNC-CH basketball tickets should be hard core NC State basketball fans and nothing else.
I find it ironic that Duke can support a K-ville but it’s the administration of NC State that is owned by the fear of lawyers.
Sometimes the people that matter (students, alumni, coaches, athletes, student orgs of all ilk) need to stand-up for what is worthwhile. The Lowe’s and TOB’s of this school need to make it known that they care and support these activities. You better believe that K is in the ears of the Duke admin on this stuff.
Seriously, shared experience is the essence of the rabid fan. People don’t sit in the cold of Lambeau just for the game. They sit there to say that they sat there and to have the lifetime right to clank beer mugs with the people that sat there with them. Every THINKING person in the student body and athletic department should be banging the drum for campouts.
So true graywolf. From 76 to 80 if you wanted good tickets you got together with friends and secured your place around Reynolds and partied until the ticket office opened; Frat boys bringing a tv and plugging it in inside Reynolds so we could watch the World Series; playing ball; PTA delivering pizza…Great times. And it added so much to the college experience and we couldn’t wait to get to the game that we had just busted our butts for (and maybe ralphed a few cookies for…)
Don’t let those things go extinct.
Camp out is a part of college life and needs to be restored. I cannot attend today but wish I could. Anything I can do to support it, please let me know. Happy to fire off emails to anyone.
Why can Duck support K-ville? Because K in all his foul mouthed glory is the king on campus, and he is out there with them, buying pizza, supporting the nerds with 1600 on their SAT’s driving their hybrids down from Jersey for the semester. I remember the days when people would camp in front of Reynolds, taking turns so some of could go to class (or go to the game room in lieu of class) and keep our spot in line. I agree Haze, Sidney and TOB should be out there fighting for the students to enjoy this privilege and fantastic memory of student life.
College is not just about going to class and getting a diploma. Yes, I have my degree, proudly displayed on my wall in my office, and I am thankful for it. But very little of what I learned in a class is useful to what I do. Very much of what I learned in the college environment is used in my every day life. What makes college so valuable (unless maybe you are a MD) is the experience, not the books.
Not being able to drink on campus really puts a hamper on Campout. I think thats key to the good times of campout.
“puts a hamper on Campout” LOL
^^I agree, CarnifeX. Thank goodness I was legal as a 19 year old college student. Don’t get me started on the drinking age when we’ve got 17-18 year olds in Iraq with M-16’s in their hands, but don’t have the maturity to have a beer? It’s an out-dated, double-standard, and does not to curb drinking. If anything, it promotes “binge” drinking.
Off the soapbox….I am glad to hear that all tickets will go to the Campout (if that indeed is true). I also agree that Sid would have a major say in that decision, and that yes, all tickets should be first-come, first-served. BTW, what was up with the lack of students at the Wake game? It was a pitiful showing in the student section.
Does anyone know if the “no beer” rule after 30 minutes prior to tip-off is an NCAA rule or an ACC rule? I’ve seen other games (Syracuse, most recently) where fans have bottles of beer in their hands. Just wondering…I’ve heard it is an ACC rule.
Campout wasn’t a big big deal, when I was at State in the early to mid 1990’s. We weren’t that good and most of the time you could get decent tickets without having to camp out overnight, even a few days after tickets became available for ACC games.
What the powers that be need to figure out is a better way to fill up the RBC center. I live out of state and when I can be in town for an NC State game, usually non-conference, the only tickets available are in the 300 level, even though plenty of seats in the 200 and 100 level are empty.
I understand the sales of season tickets and lifetime rights need to be good seats, but the fact people don’t make good with these tickets and put their butts in the seat is annoying. If the lower level’s going to be empty, I just wish those tickets could be resold, even by the Wolfpack Club or the RBC Center box office, to people who want one game tickets.
I bet a lot of folks stay home because they don’t want 300 level seating. If I had a shot at getting prime seats to Wolfpack games, I’d be more likely to try and work in an extra trip back to North Carolina to see a Wolfpack game.
“Not being able to drink on campus really puts a hamper on Campout. I think thats key to the good times of campout.”
I hate it for you youngins. I really do. In the 70s, the prevailing culture was much more permissive. We made out just fine. But the powers that be just had to “fix” things.
sounds like the student experience isn’t quite what it was like when i was a freshman in 1988 — we thought it was great, in the way that 18 year old kids can think parking it in a cold tent on the dirt can be great, but it was. our crew wasn’t drinking beer, but we still had a good time, because we were excited about the team.
it’s a bummer what i keep hearing about the student experience deteriorating and the school increasingly becoming just a big, diluted commuter school. the administration seems bent on that from the highest level.
i’ve often focused on the need for a new AD, but am really thinking that the problems probably go higher - to the chancellor and board of trustees
Wait a minute — can you not drink on campus at all anymore?!?! WTF is that about!!!
I was part of the campout in 2000 where I didn’t get a ticket, but I didn’t care much anyway. It was great to go out there and party and hang out with other students. Even Herb brought a bunch of pizza’s out, iirc.
While there were some that didn’t like MAF, it seems like she was much better than Stafford is regarding student-life.
Mr Plywood, I spent my time mostly in Biltomore so the fringe lots around Western Blvd were my home as well. I remember well the lines for parking permits.
Trip, there are ways to get across to the SB President that he BETTER listen to his constituents…or else.
MrPlywood, I parked by the baseball field for three years, and 80 percent of my classes were in the Winston/Caldwell/Tompkins Hall complex on the complete opposite side of campus. Camping out for an upgrade might have been a wise investment of my time. That was a long walk, especially in January.
TNCSU: I’ve been to Syracuse games in both DC (against Georgetown, where the whole Metro was orange) and in Syracuse and they definitely served beer at both locations… Maybe it’s an ACC thing.
I was at the fiasco campout of 2000 as well. Around 5000 or so people at the campout and nowhere near that many tickets. We knew we were near the cutoff but stayed anyway. People after us knew good and well they wouldn’t be getting tickets… but stayed anyway. Things definitely got out of control with many bonfires being built in places that it wasn’t really all that safe to build bonfires. I remember watching a crowd of people pull the bumper off a car and justifying it by saying the car was parked in a handicapped spot without a placard. The girl who parked there showed up (very obviously not handicapped) to the crowd booing her. That was a bit ridiculous as well.
The crowd did get a few extra things heaped on to them for blame though. The crowd was blamed for ripping down a light pole and destroying it. However, I saw that light pole on the crowd a couple days ago where it had fallen due to winds. All the crowd did was drag it over to the area, no extra damage done.
Things definitely got a bit out of hand at that campout but I was definitely sorry to see it cancelled for a while afterwards.
So - what is the true status? Those camping out get tickets?
Another thing, in my day, just because you camped out didn’t mean you were guaranteed tickets. I think quite a few people who did it didn’t get them for the UNC game.
What I thought was really cool was that when basketball season started, the first tents popped up. There were folks who’d camp out for every day ACC games.
I think it says all too much about the direction that this university is heading that Stafford still has his job.
I believe it IS an ACC rule concerning alcohol at sporting events governed by the ACC. IIRC, NO ACC school sells or serves alcohol at ANY revenue OR non-revenue team competiton, while some schools in other conferences do. I guess the ACC doesn’t want a bunch of rabid fans who really hate each other’s teams to get together and cause bar-type brawls.
Except in luxury boxes/club level seating. Somehow they get around the no-alcohol rule there.
I think that the rule is that alocohol cannot be served. Those in the luxury boxes/club level stock their own.
“Except in luxury boxes/club level seating. Somehow they get around the no-alcohol rule there.”
Money talks, as they say.
Commuter schools I think are a better return on infrastructure investment dollar, since the university does not have to build new dorms for housing more students. From a number crunching standpoint it makes sense to become more of a commuter school, especially since student enrollment keeps growing.
NCSU’s in a tough spot because the demand for college education is going up, so you have more students enrolled, but the space available for on campus housing is limited.
I don’t think it’d be such a big deal if the university could somehow work out how to revitalize Hillsborough street and work with the city to get some sort of regular bus service from campus to some of the bars / clubs in downtown Raleigh.
Its great to see that the ticket campouts are finally making a comeback, despite the administration’s resistance. I still remember that fiasco during the ‘99-’00 season, my freshman year. I was in the dorms then and it was my first, and subsequently, only, campout. The group right next to us, we had set up camp between Turlington and the bookstore, got rowdy and fueled, (what had started as a modest campfire), into a a huge bonfire. Things progress, next thing you know, a drunken suitemate of mine somehow pulled the rear bumper off a near-by Grand Cherokee, and tossed it in. Police obviously were called, campout was canceled, tickets were immediately restricted, and campouts were outlawed indefinitely. The moron suitemate wasn’t arrested but it was his last semester, his parents jerked his ass back home due to poor grades. I’ve heard he sets pins at a public golf course now for minimum wage.
Anyway, ticket campouts are a rite of passage. By design, it allocates tickets to those who are most passionate about the game, the team, and NCSU. As it should be, in my opinion. To Jay Dawkins and all involved, good work. You’ve done your fellow classmates a tremendous favor.
Given that the year in my handle is the year I graduated from State, it’s obvious that I’ve been gone for a while - at least from living and working on campus. But the one name I continue to see over and over is this guy Stafford, and I freely admit that I don’t know much of anything about him, other than I continue to see his name mentioned in negative ways. Who is this guy and how does he have so much power? Does he report directly to the Chancellor? Of whom does he have animal sex pictures?
I hate to see one guy just ruin so much of the experience for our students.
You mean we actually have other idiots “at the top” like Fowler and Oblinger? No wonder everything is screwed up! Makes you wonder about who hired all of these people!
I rigorously archived all my PINE email into yahoo, and I was somehow able to find these articles from the 2000 incident.
WRAL’s report
The Ticket Distribution Task Force’s recommendation to Marye Ann Fox. Yep, Stafford has been using a hammer to kill flies for quite a while now.
I’ll be as delicate as I can, but this idea of “to make people *actually* camp out to get tickets was unfair to students who did not” is pretty liberal in philosophy. In that, make the playing field even by rewarding those who “don’t” and punishing those that “do” so that everyone is treated “fairly”. It’s really not too surprising that this world view has taken over at a place of higher education.
Pretty soon everyone will be getting A’s in classes because it isn’t fair that some kids are smarter than others.
I think the Les Robinson Era essentially killed campouts. Why camp out to watch a bad team, when there were always tickets available?
Is there any traction to the theory that campouts were snuffed to force people to pay Wolfpack Club dues to get tickets. Now, that used to infuriate me.
Between Fowler and Stafford, and Oblinger’s apparent unwillingness to upgrade organization and staff for a top athletics program at State, it’s a wonder we can be even competitive in basketball and football at all! Stafford seems to have a mission to sabatoge all things athletic at every opportunity. (I give absolutely no credit at all to any of the previous for getting Sidney and Tom to NCSU. In fact, I think that Sidney had a huge question mark on his back when he came, and has yet to prove that he is a top college coach. BUT - he does “get it,” which is most important, and seems to have a good grasp of X’s and O’s. I believe that the potential is there for good things in basketball no thanks to Fowler in particular!) It’s most frustrating for us alumni to witness such incompetence and/or disregard with respect to Wolfpack athletics!
I’ll be as delicate as I can, but this idea of “to make people *actually* camp out to get tickets was unfair to students who did not” is pretty liberal in philosophy. In that, make the playing field even by rewarding those who “don’t” and punishing those that “do” so that everyone is treated “fairly”. It’s really not too surprising that this world view has taken over at a place of higher education.
I somehow think discouraging camp outs has more to do with preventing bumpers being ripped off cars, out of control bonfires in inappropriate locations causing geniune fire hazards, and the potential of several thousand inebriated college students, in close quarters, to get a bit out of hand.
Anyway, I agree with Stoner that part of the problem with campus life is how moribund Hillsborough street has become. It’s really kind of depressing going to Hillsborough street, since there’s so few shops open and even long time “landmarks” like Darryl’s and one of the pizza places (forget if it’s Brother’s or Two Guys) closed.
“BTW, what was up with the lack of students at the Wake game? It was a pitiful showing in the student section.”
Another thing that pisses me off about the ticketing system, somehow I managed to not be selected for either of the lotterys, and couldn’t manage to grab any on-demand tickets…. I turn on the TV thinking that the stands would be filled to capacity… Yeahhh, right. There must be a better way to allocate tickets.
BillyVest, if you read what Stafford said: “unfair to students who did not”, it is blatantly clear the intent of the proposed rule. It is to equally reward everyone regardless of merit. It is to make sure no one feels left out. It’s to protect everyone from the way things actually work in the real world. It’s to entitle everyone to “fairness”, even though it is hardly fair or just.
First come first served, I think,is the best way to do it. Get rid of the internet ticketing for students. You want them, line up at Reynolds or wherever the box office is these days, to get them. The people, who really want to go to the game will take the extra time to get them in person. Anyone can put their name in the hat for a lottery thinking they won’t win and may find something else they want to do.
Simply untrue. Campouts were huge when HS was the coach and we didn’t completely suck. IIRC, I camped out 97-2000 (and maybe 2001 unless it was banned) and my college career began the same year HS was named head coach. I never saw what they were like under V, but they were rowdy and fun post-Les.
“IIRC, NO ACC school sells or serves alcohol at ANY revenue OR non-revenue team competiton, while some schools in other conferences do. ”
Rabid - I don’t think that’s the case. I think they sale beer at FSU basketball games and beer at Miami football games. Now, none of those arenas are “on-campus.” It leads me to believe that they could seel beer at the RBC if they wanted to.
“Another thing that pisses me off about the ticketing system, somehow I managed to not be selected for either of the lotterys, and couldn’t manage to grab any on-demand tickets.”
And this is a case where it’s stupid to do things on-line. Tickets are obtained just in case someone wants to attend - but those tickets didn’t cost anything - not even time to get them. When you had to go to the ticket office, at least you had to make a trip out of your way to get it. Sure, you could change your mind, but it certainly took more effort to go to Reynold’s Coliseum than it does to log onto the internet and print up a ticket. Bottum line - if it takes no money and no effort to get the tickets, your more likely to take that opportunity for granted.
I can understand to a certain extent the issue with fairness. When all students are forking over $192/semester to the Athletics Department, there is certainly is room to complain when you don’t have access.
But there is definitely a need to have priority seats for the first-come, first-serve mentality. The atmosphere suffers when the student getting baseline tickets had little effort invested in getting the tickets. But for the big games, first-come first-serve should be mandatory…
However, I never understood why the Student Wolfpack Club got the best tickets just because they forked over slightly more (to the independent Wolfpack Club) than I did and because they could do their homework during other sporting events. Now they’ve given them an entire sideline… The same annoying wanna-be Dukie fans get sideline seats for every game and restrain their behavior out of fear of losing that privilege. How does that encourage an energetic crowd?
When we scored seats a couple rows behind Gary Williams in Reynolds, we relentlessly hounded them all night. It’s not like I was going to see those kind of seats ever again, so we made damn sure he knew we were there. If you want to see a good student crowd again, get rid of the damn SWPC…
The combined UNC-CH/UNLV campout in 1989 was the biggest I ever experienced or heard of. Many people camped out for multiple nights and did not get any tickets to either game because they ran out. Tents were jammed on every square foot of that dirt/mulch area across from Reynolds, running all the way up to the quad and down to the tri-towers tunnel area.
sorry for the hijack / off-topic post, but john brady has been fired by lsu this morning …
brady’s name was thrown out there as a potential candidate for our job prior to last season … i was glad that didn’t happen, but that’s nothing personal against the guy
a little surprised they would fire him when they went to the final four just a couple of seasons ago … whenever i see lsu play on tv, it always seems they don’t have much of a crowd … not sure what firing the coach will do for that, but whatever
we “ran off” herb after such a glorious 10-year run (even though he left when key people wanted him to stay) and got skewered in the media … let’s see the outrage for firing a coach in late-season just two seasons removed from being in the final four … my guess? nothing like that will happen as it will be construed as an sec school rightfully trying to get itself to the top … for some reason it’s unreasonable for nc state fans to want to win … anyway, we’ll see what happens
go pack
branjawn, I think you’re reaching to tie in Stafford’s comments with a “liberal” conspiracy to undermine attendance at NCSU home basketball games via the allotment of student tickets.
Gosh I’m old…
I remember during my tenure in Raleigh (77-82)that we camped out in front of Reynolds for Carolina tickets…
It was great and I’m so gald that I was part of that tradition…
I remember one specific year that a concert was being held at Reynolds I believe on Sunday…
The powers at be would allow the students to start lining up @ 5 PM on Sunday afternoon…
We stood across the street at Reynolds until we could line up at the ticket booths…
The Carolina game was on Wed night…
Gosh I’m old…
PacknSack
Feb 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am
I think the Les Robinson Era essentially killed campouts. Why camp out to watch a bad team, when there were always tickets available?
This statement is absolutely false. I was a student from 93-97 so Les was coach all 4 of my years in school and demand was extremely high. If you wanted tickets you had to line up out front of Reynolds early on Monday morning and there were campouts for the bigger games like UNC-CH and Duke. It amazed us at the time how so many people wanted to watch a losing team. “When we get good I don’t know how students are going to get tickets” is what we said at the time. We could actually remember when State competed for Championships.
Liberal conspiracy? I spoke of a liberal world view. ‘World view’ refers to the framework of ideas and beliefs through which an individual interprets the world and interacts in it. One would have to be in denial to not see the absurd amount of political correctness and “inclusion” being pushed at the university level in the name of tolerance. I digress, you assume I use the world liberal as an organization, I use it as, well as I stated above, a world view. Now that I reread your last post, it’s completely ignorant. I said nothing of attendance at games. I only spoke of the preposterous way in which the tickets are alloted.
Why doesn’t the WPC start raising money to dome Carter Stadium so the game could be played there and so everyone can go.
Actually, you would only need to dome the court part right? heh
As a HOZE Squad member, the latest I ever got in line for tickets to an ACC game was about 3 am. That’s what it took to get the seats in Section K directly behind the State bench in Reynolds. The opportunity to scream at Reggie Jackson, Lenny Wirtz, Doh, Dan Meagher, Ralph Sampson, Terry Holland, et. al., was way more than worth it. The permeation of socialist principles into things like student tickets is the result of having a bunch of liberal wimps in charge. The closest we ever came to a lottery for distribution was when they did random distribution of tickets for a couple of games right after the semester break. Students who gwt UNC-CH basketball tickets should be hard core NC State basketball fans and nothing else.
Note this comment resubmitted with self imposed moderation, since my initial comment from this morning is still awaiting same.
I would appreciate it if anyone could find any old articles on the plans to dome Carter back in the late 70’s. I remember a big spread with artist conception of what it would look like but I can’t seem to find anything online about those plans. We can all be thankful clearer minds prevailed but does anyone else remember this? Who wanted to do it or any other details from that idea?
I preface this with the fact that I am a current student. Please do not lament the decline of the greek system with the loss of the campout for tickets. I feel that the campout is a much more vital aspect of student life than the antiquated greek system. The deciding factor of my choice to attend NCSU over UNC was the greek system. The Greek system is very alive and strong at UNX, i am not sure if it was differnt in your days, but today the Greek system stands for many things that I feel NC State is not. The Greek systems has become a bastion of elitist, self important, society of privileged and entitled. I think that campout is important to NCState student life, but I could do without the Greek system. If you doubt me - go to Franklin St, (i spent the last 6 years living in Chapel Hill before I started to attend NC State) the masses of frat boys and sorastitutes all trying to dress and act alike deeply disturbs me, and doesn’t represent a school for the people.
^well put, otis
Good Luck to Jay Dawkins, I dealt with that issue after the 2000 campout. I would be in meetings with Stafford, Cobb, Fowler, Younce, and others and the word Campout would send chills down everyone spine. That was fun.
ACC Football Schedule released. Tough row to ho out of the gate!
http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2008/02/08/13/08ACCfbteams.source.prod_affiliate.57.pdf
Otis, well said. I was there 85-89 and decided I did not have to buy my friends. I had one frat actively recruiting me, and it seemed all they wanted was my money (funny thing, I had none). What really made me make up my mind though was when they told me I could only date sorority girls, and only ones from certain sororities. I know many people who have had extremely positice frat experiences, but mine was a complete turn off. During my time on campus, I noticed these trends as well as I walked around campus. So glad I did not join, and now I do make the joke that “I did not have to buy my friends.”
same time frame for me, too, Mike. i was a G.D.I., too. only dating sorority girls??? at State??? sorority girls???? at State??? are you kidding me???
you old guys don’t realize that ’sorority girls at state’ isn’t as much of a joke as it used to be….
Otis - I wasn’t in a fraternity, but this doesn’t change the fact that at most large universities where people actually live on or near campus, they are part of campus/college life.
The Greek system is just many of the aspects of “on-campus” life de-emphasized by the university. When I was at school, we still had Wolfstock. When I was freshman, it was still largely unregulated. By the time I was a senior, it was regulated, but an “of-age” student, could bring in 4 beers. (Being the out-of-box thinker that I was, I brought in 4 master cylinders!) It was still lots of fun - and you know you were at college and you knew you were at NC State.
But the bottum line - whether you’re talking about the Wolfstock, Hillsborough Street, Reynolds Coliseum,campout, tailgating, or the Greek system, the powers that be have taken steps - knowingly and/or unknowingly - to de-emphasize the campus experience at NC State. They seem perfectly content to turn NC State into an urban commuter school where the majority of most students lives take place outside of the scope of the university. Quite frankly, I find it sad…are there any other “commuter” schools in the ACC??
^^”you old guys…”
that’s a low blow!
Otis - different strokes for different folks, but the decline of the Greek system at State I believe is a big step down the “commuter school” path and IMHO a real negative for a school.
And as surprising as it may seem to some, when my kids were college “shopping” a strong Greek system was very high on their lists of things they were looking for.
Frankly I could not even imagine attending a school without being in a fraternity. That’s just me of course. The things I remember most fondly about my years at State (many years ago of course) revolved around fraternity life and athletics. In fact in those days my UNC buddies would often show up in Raleigh on fraternity row on the weekends because we had more stuff going on.
But as I said different strokes.
Greek? Could take or leave it… as I’d prefer to have the admin do.
Wolfstock? Yeah Baby, that one I want back! Wolfstock was literally the only NC State social event cool enough to get kids from other universities into Raleigh. It was a red letter day on the schedule.
Brent Road Party. Not even on campus; shut down by NCSU admin, another example of the admin GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY to disrupt any sort of college experience. When I was a freshman, my folks got a letter telling them to deter their children from attending this party. Its pretty crazy if you ask me. I guess its kinda like the seat-belt law and pussification of our nation.
F*** it dude, lets go bowling.
in addition to wolfstock, we had central campus craze and west campus jam…man, i sorta feel sorry for the young ‘uns today.
CarnifeX - The Brent Road party is a perfect example of the “market place” filling a niche. I remember one of the first major ones, we didn’t know it would end up that way…some of our good friends lived on the road, and said, we’re having some kegs, and some other folks next to us are too, come on over…We walked outside later that night and the entire street was packed.
MAF actually led the charge on that one. But is this kind of thing a surprise when you move the parties off campus and don’t take care of your main “strip”?
It’s funny, here in Winston - they roll their quad after a big win and they have a bar on campus (or at least they did) - of course, they’re a private school and probably have better leadership than we do. When know they do at the AD’s office.
choppack1,
Maryland is a commuter school. And not somewhere I would like to compare State too (although it is a fine university).
I guess they would have banned the Alice Cooper concert on the PE fields above Carmichael when I was there?? I’m not sure there was a sorority when I was there except for the Female Pershing Rifles!
I was there pre-fraternity row and then back after it was built. My fratenity experience was mixed. I roomed with some frat guys one summer and we had a great time. But I can remember some of the “snot noses” though. Got a belly full of those officiating fraternity and open league IM basketball games!
Like I say, I’ve had mixed experiences and agree it’s not for everyone, but for those who want that, I have no problem.
Back to the original thread, it seems like both times I was at State, we just picked up tickets at Reynolds, first come-first serve for the big games, UNC and Duke, but most of the time, there were enough seats to just show your student ID at the door and get in. I’m sure that wouldn’t work now.
I’m glad to hear that the N.C. State “Click it and Ticket” program has been dissolved…at least for this game.
A decision should have been reached and handed down far in advance, so that there wasn’t such confusion. I think it is fair to say that the students who camped out would be far more passionate about the situation than a student that had applied on-line. I think it would have created an unnecessary tension on campus and could have lead to a revolt of some sort.
I also think it reflects positively on the university athletics for recruits
RedTerror - I don’t know who would want to be like UMd. The commuter school experience seems like it would be not much different than going to Community College or one of the smaller UNC Hyphens. Nothing is wrong w/ that - but I think making the campus and surrounding area a seperate entity helps enhance the collegiate experience.
I’m not so sure that Raleigh wants to lend NCSU any more space to help “enhance the collegiate experience”.
Hell, I’m not even sure Raleigh wants NCSU a part of the city; look how terribly they’re dragging their feet on the Hillsboro St revitalization. They have money sitting in an account now for over 10 years and still nothing doing. NCSU is low on Raleigh priority list. Its a travesty, a sham and a mockery….a traveshamockery.
Having grown up near U of MD and having all my friends go there, they did not have any campus life. My freshman and sophomore years they would come down and visit to attend the early noted central campus craze or west campus jam. They were so jealous of our campus life.
I remember all the times camping continuously for b-ball tickets, met some of my best friends during that experience. I actually remember an AD and coaches bring pizza to the campers. As an engineer there were many applications of the theories that we were learning in classes to survive the cold weather.
As for the Greek system, knew many in it; however, having working in the intramural department, they were a royal pain in the ass.
I agree, campus life has went to sh** and needs to be returned to this great university. We as alumni should help the students like Jay Dawkins do what is needed to assist them in this endeavor.
NCSU’s administration and the City of Raleigh’s planning department, they’re all gay, but just like ^chop said earlier, “nothing is wrong w/ that” or anything…
I agree with the comments above about NCSU becoming The Commuter University of North Carolina. It doesn’t make any more sense than anything else they do up there in Raleigh, I mean, they’ve spent tons of money and built new facilities for end products that they do not know how to promote and have de-emphasized for decades anyway. It’s all just a sad, sad, joke.
It is hard to imagine one who has done more damge to NCSU than Stafford.
OBlinger is just too soft to roll some heads in his admin. I guess that comes with being a food science major.
Man, would I love to be on the BOT and work to reinvent my school.
And Lennie at the Alum Assoc can’t seem to figure out why we have such a low percentage of alumni that join the AA.
It is hard to imagine one who has done more damge to NCSU than Stafford.
OBlinger is just too soft to roll some heads in his admin. I guess that comes with being a food science major.
Man, would I love to be on the BOT and work to reinvent my school.
And Lennie at the Alum Assoc can’t seem to figure out why we have such a low percentage of alumni that join the AA.
Primewolf, that deserved to be repeated three times! If we could only get someone to listen!
It’s just hard for me to get a grasp of State being a commuter school. How times have changed!
“I’m just playing hard and trying to win,” he said. “If they don’t like it, that’s their problem.”
ok, I am officially in complete LOVE w/ Javi Gonzalez now …
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/ncsu/story/933885.html
Wufpup, that was a great quote. Here’s another good story, from the Marion Chronicle-Tribune on Scott Wood, our newest recruit:
http://www.chronicle-tribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080209/SPORTS/802090335/1006
Sounds like the kid can nail the 3 ball almost automatically. This is what we need to break up some zone defenses.
Since there is no gameday thread, I thought this was as good a place as any to post this, which I found in Andrew Jones ACC notebook at the Star-News:
“We have a great opportunity to keep this going,” swing man Courtney Fells said. “We have a big game up next at Maryland, and we’re confident we can win the rest of our games.”
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080209/NEWS/802090345/1005/NEWS
The rest of our games? Why can’t these guys keep their mouths shut about stuff like this? To me, this ranks up there with “I don’t see us losing more than four games.”
Just play well for two halves. Please.
i saw that about wood, rochester - that’s great
we’ll really need a solid deep theat, especially when courtney leaves (actually we could use one now, maybe brandon can come around
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true, they don’t need to be overconfident, packnsack … but i don’t mind that quoute too much from courtney … i see that more as optimistic confidence (which is always good) rather than blind mouth-running (which is always bad)
I’d rather know they have some confidence in themselves, considering how they looked a few weeks ago. I don’t read that as him saying they’re going 8-0 in the second half, more like they have confidence they can win any particular game.
I guess my concern is it seems like any time someone has said something like this, it has bitten the team on the butt. Statements of confidence have been followed by uninspired play. The stretches of quality play are longer and better now, but they are still coupled with slumps. I would rather win the next 8, then in retrospect hear “We knew we could do it … ”
On another note, any word on if Costner will suit up tonight?
^haven’t heard packnsack … hopefully he can go tonight as we’ll need someone additional to match up w/ gist …
I camped in the early 70’s. It was a much more permissive time, the powers that be being more liberal. It was the conservatives among us who had a problem with the alcohol, drugs, free speech, and our general disregard for authority. What I find curious now is how the same sentiments are being claimed by the conservatives as theirs. They were the politically correct ones.
I loved camping out when I was in school in the late 80s and early 90s. Wolfstock was awesome in 1990. Primewolf has my vote for the BOT. When is the university throwing a retirement party for Stafford?
so i heard that they’re only giving out 1500 tickets to camp out students now? anyone know anything about this because i dont see any tickets in my locker like they said they would be, and i def. camped out. :-/
I’ve said for years that NC State’s worst enemy is NC State. The people that run the school do more to hurt it than 100 News and Observers and UNCs put together. And then some.
I hate it for current students and for the basketball team that the most rabid and diehard fans are not the ones who get to be in the prime spots for the important games.