July 20, 2007
Trout has chimed into the comments section of this entry with an update that - according to some close to the East Carolina football program - NC State has added a match-up with the Pirates to the 2008 schedule.
If this is true, then all I have to say is - Dammit, Lee Fowler!! For which school are you the f’ing Athletics Director? Why don’t you just bend over and let Terry Holland sodomize you for the whole world to see. This means that NC State will waste a f’ing football game helping build the program of a local competitor who consistently collectively spits in all of our faces for FIVE CONSECUTIVE SEASONS (2006-2010).
Breathe.
Now that is out of the way…Trout also proceeds to hypothesizes the following:
If true, one of these 3 things is happening:
(1) They have added 1 game to the original 6 game agreement and NC State won’t have a return game
(2)NC State will have a return game in the future, making a 6 game agreement now an 8 game agreement
(3)A future game scheduled to be played in Raleigh (2009 or 2013) is being moved to 2008.I really think a future game in this series, scheduled to be played in Raleigh (2009 most likely), is being moved to 2008.
Why?
(1) I don’t think LF would add the 2008 game and then a return game. He likes to schedule ECU, but if you are doing home/homes, the 6 games we have is enough (plus, he heard it from fans when the 6 games was orginally announced) - he wouldn’t add two more games in the same original timeframe.
(2) I don’t think Terry Holland would agree to a uneven series, which if this game in 2008 is added and another game not moved, it would mean a 4-3 series.
My guess is that they are adding the 2008 game and moving the 2009 game to ECU from Raleigh. If true, it means NC State plays in Greenville 2 years in a row, 2009 and 2010, then plays in Raleigh in 2013 and in Greenville in 2016.
A pretty accurate composition of NC State’s future football schedules can be found by clicking here. NC State’s entire future OOC football schedule is included below:
NC State’s current Non-Conference Football Opponents:
2008: @ South Carolina (Thu/Aug 28/ESPN), William & Mary, South Florida (Sep 27), ECU?
2009: South Carolina (Thu/Sep 3/ESPN), Pittsburgh, ECU, Gardner-Webb (Sep 19)
2010: Cincinnati, @ ECU, Western Carolina
2011: @ Cincinnati
2012: Tennessee, UConn (home or away?)
2013: @ Pittsburgh, @Tennessee, ECU
2014: vs Oklahoma State, @ South Florida (Sep 13)
2015: @ Oklahoma State
2016: @ ECU
2017: LSU
2020: LSU
It’s great that we’re playing SC again, as these have always been some really fun games…on the field anyway.
Catching SoCar early in the season means catching their fans at the pinnacle of their “we’re going to win it all” fervor, which can be a little tedious to say the least.
One thing that we HAVE to do when they visit: replay Danny Peebles’ catch from ‘86 on the Jumbotron. Heck, invite Kramer and Peebles and give them an award between quarters.
I glad to see this happen, but it’s gonna cause a split in my household with my son(the USC grad) and myself!
good regional game for us to play—quality sec opponent who should remain very beatable through the duration of the series—nice work jed
I think we also have Tennessee one of those years. The Pack will need another fill-up of Phillip and Mario.
Thanks for the clarity SFN. I saw different info from a much less trustworthy source, I wasn’t gonna trust it until I saw it from you all. Still solid and without Tenn in ‘08 there’s a better shot at a high level bowl game.
it appears we have added ECU for 2008. The 2008 and 2009 schedules are now complete:
2008
Home:
William and Mary
ECU
South Florida
Wake Forest
Boston College
Florida State
Miami
Away:
South Carolina
UNC
Duke
Maryland
Clemson
goddamit Lee! heres a quarter, now go downtown and have a fricking rat naw that ugly ass mustache off your face!
i fell like im gonna catch a VD everytime i drive thru greenville, much less have to go to a football game there!
If true, one of these 3 things is happening:
1)They have added 1 game to the original 6 game agreement and NC State won’t have a return game
2)NC State will have a return game in the future, making a 6 game agreement now an 8 game agreement
3)A future game scheduled to be played in Raleigh (2009 or 2013) is being moved to 2008
I really think a future game in this series, scheduled to be played in Raleigh (2009 most likely), is being moved to 2008.
Why?
1) I dont think LF would add the 2008 game and then a return game. He likes to schedule ECU, but if you are doing home/homes, the 6 games we have is enough (plus, he heard it from fans when the 6 games was orginally announced) - he wouldnt add two more games in the same original timeframe.
2)I dont think Terry Holland would agree to a uneven series, which if this game in 2008 is added and another game not moved, it would mean a 4-3 series.
My guess is that they are adding the 2008 game and moving the 2009 game to ECU from Raleigh. If true, it means NC State plays in Greenville 2 years in a row, 2009 and 2010, then plays in Raleigh in 2013 and in Greenville in 2016.
Terry — “I promise I will respect you in the morning Lee”
espn finally has there preseason info on acc teams and wouldnt you know, they screwed up our link. if you click on State it takes you too virginia. if you click on virginia it takes to virginia.
screwed once again by espn. top notch guys, top notch
you can use this link to get to the content if you have insider
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/news/story?id=2941849
lee- ” terry, why wont you kiss me when you Fu$k me?”
Lee Fowler needs to take his Bonor out of his ass
It ain’t App St
It ain’t Western Carolina
It ain’t Gardner Webb
Drumroll please………..
IT’S DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL!!!
Maybe I am biased as I am both a lifelong, MADE Wolfpack fan that happens to be a graduate of ECU, but come on….
Have any of you anti ECU cats ever met a UNC fan and heard their testimony on NC State? There are starting to be some eeeerrrryyyy similarities with a lot of these responses.
I’m all for becoming a national power, but you gotta crawl before you walk.
I hate saying this, but the Pack is way much more on par with ECU than they are with Ohio St and USC and Texas, etc.
I am the Tom Hagan of SFN.
Why are people shocked here??? We all know that the last time JED did anything bright he was 8 years old with a crayon in his hand and resisted the inner urge to shove it up his arse. !
No way do I believe he drove hiring Lowe. Someone else forced that, we just don’t know about it yet. We know about the FB hiring - he was politely told to stay the F out of the way !
It makes it more difficult to get national recognition and exposure when all you do is schedule OOC games withing a two state radius.
I’m sorry, but playing South Carolina does nothing for us out side of, well, North and South Carolina.
Scheduling ECU is simply inexplicable from an NC State point of view. I think Lee simply cares more about his reputation with well-known people like Holland etc. than he cares about NC State athletics.
For goodness’ sake, can’t we schedule someone from the midwest, or Big 12 country, or somewhere outside of out little neighborhood?
If teams like BC, and the Florida schools hadn’t joined our conference, then you could get to every State game on a moped.
You don’t think that playing USC’s STEVE SPURRIER on ESPN to kickoff two consecutive football seasons doesn’t provide us any national/regional value?
Until we can string together five or six years of consistent eight plus win seasons, I see no reason for the bitching and moaning about playing ECTC. Some of you act as though NC State is a perennial power.
News alert: the LSUs, Floridas, and So. Cals of the world look at us in the same vein as you view ECTC.
I see no problem with us playing ECTC every year. We should at least beat them consistently before complaining that they are beneath us.
SFN: Newsflash - your conclusions are absurd. But, we are going to keep them just to indicate that craziness like this exists.
Why does Lee have so much loyalty towards ECU and not to App State? Aren’t they moving to D1 in the upcoming years?
I am with Kool K… and I think I have made that know, however….
playing ECU THAT many years in a row is a bit insane. I know there are other teams out there that we could schedule. ECU IS NOT IN THE ACC.
it seems Lee is trying hard to get them in it.
maybe lee IS a smarter then we give him credit.
maybe he is thinking more along the basketball ranks that he is supposed to be ALL KNOWING in…. ecu gets in acc… and we murder them in BB every year.
but screw that!
There are some on here who prove that they don’t understand the issue everytime that you open your mouth. The issue has NOTHING to do with being “on par” with ECU or other teams.
Do you realize that a decade ago, NC State had to cancel a series with UCLA to make room for ECU? (Of course you don’t, because most of you sounding off on the topic were like 12 at that time.) I don’t care if we are “on par” with UCLA. I just care that we don’t get to play that series that is MUCH more beneficial for our program than playing within the borders of our own state.
Playing the likes of SMU, UCF, Tulane, Purdue, Syracuse, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, Texas Tech &/or some school from the west coast offer our program significantly more advantages than playing App States, Western Carolinas, and ECUs of the world.
Instead of being creative and finding an interesting division I opponent Jed takes the EASIEST possible route yet again in scheduling ECU. ECU would agree to play us four times a year if they could. Its like taking the ugliest girl in school to the dance every time. I wish Jed would take a chance and aim a little higher for us.
While I agree in general with SFN here (though I do like the chance to beat up on the Pirates…their Ultimate team was consistently one of the least civil groups I’d ever played against, not that I did all that much playing)…guys…you’re pretty harsh on those who disagree with you, you know?
StateFans is VERY passionate about this particular topic… thats why I try to avoid it here. Nothing worse then having the moderater basically tell you your an idiot for your opinion. But I agree with SFN that there is no reason that we should be playing ecu THIS much. Thats just stupid. That does nothing for recruiting… that does nothing for just getting our colors seen somewhere else other then the state of NC. I dont mind playing ECU 5 times is 12 years. no biggie. but 6 years in a row?!?! come on!
Fair points about our extreme criticism of others on this topic. We will work hard to do better. Sincerely. Thank you.
To be a little more specific — it is not as much the ‘disagreement’ of others that brings out our worst. It is the lack of understanding of all of the nuances around the topic that brings out our worst.
I would rather someone simply say - ‘I understand all of the negatives related to playing ECU. Regardless, it is my personal preference to play them (insert personal reason here) despite the negative impact to our program and the positive impact to the Pirates.’
We couldn’t argue with that^. But, nobody ever just says that. They always have to come up with reasons/thoughts/conclusions that aren’t based in reality or indicate a gross misunderstanding of the issue. (..and, usually, indicate that they are below the age of 30 and don’t understand the history of the series).
College football is a very reigonalized sport. It is based on tradition. It is fueled by rivalries. NCSU/ECU equates to all 3 of those.
NC State going to Greenville to play a basketball is as dumb as it gets. There is nothng to gain there.
Football is different. The program at ECU is legit. It is a destination that fans from both schools can reach without using vacation time. There is a buzz and, cue the Christopher Walken, a fever surrounding the game. ECU fans are passionate about football. NC State fans are passionate about football. Both Carter-Finley and Dowdey-Ficklen are great atmospheres on Saturday afternoons. At the end of the day, that is what it all boils down to.
I respect everyones opinion on this board. I hear all the points being made. I agree that playing the UCLA’s, Texas A&M’s, Oklahoma St’s or Minnesota’s would raise the program’s national program. I am not against any of this.
But I also believe you have to win the battle in your backyard first. Look at what O’Brien is doing with recruiting. He is attacking the best players in the state with the utmost in priority. That’s what you have to do. Heck, that’s what Pete Carrol has done. He made USC what it is by getting the best local prospects out in California.
Get the best recruits in the state. Dominate the other programs in the state and region. Win the conference. Become a nationally recognized program. That is a blueprint for success in my honest opinion.
I was 13 when Jeff Blake and Luke Fisher tore my heart and soul to shreds worse than any scene from any Martin Scorsese film.
I don’t shine shoes anymore.
By the very nature of the fact that your big ECU memory is based simply on a crushing loss in Atlanta as opposed to any of the events of the 1980s, then you completely underscore our previous point about the age issue and failure to have a broader, more complete personal experience upon which to draw conclusions.
Jim Valvano swore that NC State would never play ECU again…period. Lee Fowler has chosen to against Jimmy V and go otherwise.
Sorry…but I think 99% of Wolfpackers would choose ANYTHING that Jimmy V wanted over that of Lee Fowler.
Scheduling that many games against an in-state team from a non-BCS conference just smacks of laziness and/or a lack of imagination. There are far too many other teams outside of our recruiting power-zone (now that we have TOB!) that we could schedule in those slots. More trips to the northeast and midwest are the most logical. Maybe these teams would also be from CUSA as well. It really does not matter that much OOC. But to play that many games - each of which is virtually guaranteed to not even be on regional broadcast or mainstream cable - is dumb.
And when you add this to the Garder Webb game one really has to wonder what the logic of this is…
The one thought that might mitigate against all of this ranting is how teams are responding to scheduling offers from LF. NC State is a program with a lot of strengths that, judging by national press, is only going to get stronger in the next few years. Jed may be finding that not many programs want to play us two years form now.
Jim Valvano was a great man. I proudly display the photo of he and I from his basketball camp in 1989 on my desk at work.
My mother still brings up that God awful female dog sitting behind her and my father on the grass between AE and the East side of the stadium in ‘87. The ignorance of those mouth breathing neanderthals is all the reason to pound them into submission every year before an overflow crowd.
We obviously disagree on this subject, but again, I respect your opinion along with everyone else on here.
I would love to discuss this matter with you or anyone over a few cold beers and some good bbq at Carter-Finley, Dowdey-Ficklen, Doak Campbell or wherever on a lovely Autumn Saturday afternoon.
After all……..
IT’S DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL!!!
If my memory is correct, the series was cancelled by Jim Valvano because a security guard was seriously injured after the game. If there’s a tape of Valvano’s radio show the week after the game, it should be required listening for all Pack fans. He spoke very passionately about the security guard who was seriously injured and the impact it had on the guard’s family. It’s been 20 years, but does anyone know what happened to the Security Guard?
I think I will take my boat to the tennessee game. Now how to get from Morehead to the Tennessee River (guessing on river).
That will be the biggest away game since OSU in 2003?
Let’s face it, NCSU schedelers don’t give us much to shout about very often when it comes to scheduling big time opponents.
is it possible that the game was moved to 2008 to accomodate some bigger name that has come available at the last moment for 2009? Any rumours along that line?