Trouble on the horizon

Image: An unidentified NC State lineman demonstrates the fine art of pass protection.

Many of you may recall the series of articles I posted in the preseason ranking the offensive line units of the Amato Era.

The verdict is in, and I can say, unequivocally, that this year’s offensive line is indeed the worst of the Amato era.

Unfortunately, without a dramatic change (e.g., position coach and coordinator change) the play of our offensive line is not likely to improve significantly, if at all, in 2007.

As poorly as this line has played, and as penalty prone as they have been, the 2006 rendition of “The Matadors” features 3 seniors (Leroy Harris, Jon Holt, and James Newby).

Only Meares Green, among the backups, has seen significant playing time in a reserve role, appearing in 6 games. Luke Lathan has played 13 snaps over 2 games, Merci Falaise has played 6 snaps in 1 game, and Jerrail McCuller has played 3 snaps in 1 game.

So what will the 2007 line look like?

At tackle, we will break in 2 new starters (anyone’s guess since no reserve has played significantly). The best bets are Jerrail McCuller and Julian Williams, although Meares Green (if he isn’t manning one of the guard spots) is an option. It should be noted that through 8 games, and despite the truly wretched performance of Holt and Newby, the staff is either too stubborn or lacks the confidence to get McCuller and Williams in for even an occasional series.

At guard, we will return Kalani Heppe and Curtis Crouch, who are arguably the two best (and only decent–sorry Leroy, but your senior year has been awful) lineman this season. Lets hope they stay healthy, because as with the tackles, there is absolutlely zero experience behind these two (the same as with the tackles for that matter).

At center, we have Luke Lathan with 13 snaps of experience this season as the presumed starter. Andy Barbee and Meares Green are options and may push Lathan for the starting spot. Unfortunately, neither of these two have snapped a ball in a college game.

The wildcards of the bunch include former Juco A-A Garrett Kline (who has done squat in 2 years), Yomi Ojo (same), Gerard Miller (same), and currently redshirting freshman Gary Gregory.

That accounts for all of our available returning scholarship offensive lineman.

It is doubtful that any of the 2007 recruiting class will contribute right away.

So, what will the 2007 line look like? Here is one man’s guess:

LT: Julian Williams
LG: Curtis Crouch
C: Luke Lathan
RG: Kalani Heppe
RT: Jerrail McCuller

Given that this season has quickly unraveled, largely as a result of the horrifying performance of the offensive line, would it not be in the best interest of the program to finish the last 4 games with the above line (save for L. Harris at center?)

Closing thoughts: It is advisable that a couple of defensive lineman be considered for a position move, among them:

Littleton Wright: 6’6 248 (could grow into an athletic defensive end, and has only seen spot duty at DE so far).

John Bedics: 6’4 283 (could be a Shane Riggs athletic pulling guard. very good athlete who has made plays on the defense, but is buried behind better players on the depth chart).

Gavin Smith: 6’4 280 (similar attributes as Bedics, may not be able to push up the defensive depth chart).

Ted Larson: 6’2 265 (I like this playmaker, and he may belong on the defensive side, but if neither Bedics or Smith make the move, it probably means they have pushed him off the 3-deep at tackle).

Anthony Hill: 6’6 275. Yes, I said it. If John Hannah is the real deal, Rashad Phillips develops quickly, and Kushner continues to progress, we could use Hill’s long frame at left tackle (plus a few pounds, his frame can easily carry 290). He has a penchant for dropping easy throws, so he may have a better future as an athletic tackle. VT converted one of their TEs to tackle last year right before the season, and it has worked out very well for them.

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37 Responses to Trouble on the horizon

  1. Alpha from RAWFS 10/29/2006 at 12:24 PM #

    Keep in mind that we are “only one play away” — in other words, delusional denial. If “everything’s fine” why change?

  2. class of 74 10/29/2006 at 12:32 PM #

    This is a bit like rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. The skipper’s decisions have already made us hit the iceberg and this ship is going down regardless.

  3. Texpack 10/29/2006 at 12:37 PM #

    So do you think that if Jerry Springer had better guests his show would be any better?

  4. StewMan07 10/29/2006 at 1:00 PM #

    I think too much is wrong with this program for Chuck to fix it. It has become a jumbled mess. He plays favorites with seniors who don’t deserve to play, R. Davis, Holt, Newby, etc. He refuses to play young guys who make plays, Geron James, and Donald Bowens.. Where was Bowens during the UVA game? Instead Lamart Barret, who never gets yards after the catch played in front of them. He has had back to back horrendous offensive coordinators. Our play calling is suitable for a pee wee league team. I don’t care how many formations we run, it’s the same damn plays and results over and over again. Chuck is to egotistical to admit that he can be wrong about anything. Lastly our program reflects the coach, listen to him speak and you wil see. He’s all over the place, can’t put a sentence together without studdering, or umm, uhh’s all over the place, and it’s like his brain is all over the place at 100mph! Same as our team. Up one second, down the next and all over the place. Unable to put anything decent together and sustain it for any length of time. Fish rots from the head down, it’s time for a change. And not just Chuck, our athletics department and chancellor condone this kind of crap, get rid of them too. They don’t have the Kahona’s to make a decision or be proactive about anything and they don’t demand success from anyone, and they sure don’t inspire anyone to be great! They aren’t good leaders.

    You forgot Andy Barbee along the OL. I’ve heard pretty good things about him, and he is supposed to be an intelligent young man. He could play C, and move Lathan to Guard.

  5. Micky McCarthy 10/29/2006 at 1:42 PM #

    Barbee is in there. 9th paragraph.

  6. Alpha from RAWFS 10/29/2006 at 2:22 PM #

    Stewman, I think it’s hilarious that Amato says the same phrase twice in a row all the time.

    “They made plays…they made plays.”

    “Ice. Ice.”

    When he is speaking in complete sentences, he’ll often interrupt himself and go off on a tangent only to interrupt himself again and go back to the original thought.

    Best of all, I like the way he’ll hang a player out to dry in a post game presser and then not five minutes later say that he shouldn’t blame himself and should keep his head up, etc. etc. I didn’t notice this myself, and heard of it from one of the print reporters that covers the State football.

  7. newswolf 10/29/2006 at 2:26 PM #

    I don’t know a lot about who should project at what position… but when we got A. Hill I thought he would be a great OT. Great OT’s are hard to find ( at nc state). TE’s are a dime a dozen

  8. jwrenn29 10/29/2006 at 3:06 PM #

    Of course the backups haven’t played. Backups only get a lot of time when you WIN games.

  9. Sig1990 10/29/2006 at 3:37 PM #

    Another one-liner repeated….

    “What critics?…what critics?”

  10. redfred2 10/29/2006 at 4:27 PM #

    The only thing that makes me the least bit hesitant about CA right now is the dreaded OC and other assistants, and their reported pay scales. I’m not defending this crap we’re witnessing on the football field, but if some good assistant coaches have walked because they’re assured 50% to 100% pay increases elsewhere, as I have read here on this site, then what in the hell does the administration expect?

    Sorry to bother, I know the answer to that question already.

  11. vtpackfan 10/29/2006 at 4:28 PM #

    By the time we get the offensive line figured out we will be without the services of Brown and Baker. We may even have a couple decent QB’s and solid receivers by this time but whatever OC of the month Chuck has will be calling conservative run plays with some fumble prone running backs.

  12. Alpha from RAWFS 10/29/2006 at 5:26 PM #

    Let’s be fair and point out that Brown and Baker took care of the ball yesterday. Those two are bright spots on a dismal offense. I wish that Amato had had the wisdom to realize that he had some very special talent arriving to carry the ball and that he needed to double and then redouble his efforts to acquire solid talent and coaching in the front ranks.

    As a former defensive coach he should have realized the criticality of a strong o-line is to a team’s chance of winning. He certainly exploited weaker lines, and he should not have been surprised that his surplus defense players who’d converted were being out-thought and out-played.

    Anyway, it’s a real shame that B&B don’t have a front line like the one UNC had a couple of years ago. Heisman mentions would be the order of the day, not this annual debate of “why can’t Chuck get it done?”

  13. redfred2 10/29/2006 at 5:50 PM #

    I don’t there is any single answer, but I think the debate is all but over. I shudder at the thought of it, but the only thing worse is waiting in anticipation as all of the inactivity commences in “AD’s” office.

  14. legacyman 10/29/2006 at 5:52 PM #

    My feeling is that the Oline has been a big problem all along. The OC can call a run off tackle, around the end, etc. but there has to be blocking to open the lanes or seal the end. Chuck is not the only HC in Raleigh to have a less than stellar Oline…it is almost completely through our history. We have had some darn good Dlines during Chuck’s reign but I still haven’t seen a dominating Oline such as our sisters to the west have had much more often than us.

    We appear to have a good supply of skilled players but not enough big uglies. Once we get a seasoned, senior line and only then will we see a difference in our scoring abilities. I hope there are simplier answers and that I am totally wrong.

  15. SixPack 10/29/2006 at 6:42 PM #

    The “skill players” are an absolute necessity but without the HOGs (on both sides of the line of scrimage) the “pretty boys” can’t do their thing !!!!

    Where’s the beef CTC ?

  16. McWufPacker06 10/29/2006 at 6:48 PM #

    STATEFANS – Pop up a new basketball recruiting post, or at least the fact that Mario had another sack today and Reggie Bush botched it w/ 2 turnovers leading to 14 points. I’m tired of the depressing football news every five minutes I check the site. (Hello my name is McWufPacker06 and I am a StateFans Nation addict. Hi McWufPacker06)

  17. Micky McCarthy 10/29/2006 at 6:50 PM #

    If anyone still thinks that strong coordinators don’t matter a WHOLE lot, one needs only look at what difference David Cutcliffe has made at Tennessee

  18. GAWolf 10/29/2006 at 7:00 PM #

    Why can’t we go to Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, etc and get some of their offensive line leftovers. We sure go to Florida and get the skill leftovers. In my eyes this problem is the epitome of Amato’s shortcomings. He’s all about being all glitz and flash. He gets the skill but fails to realize the less-glamorous positions win games.

  19. db321 10/29/2006 at 7:11 PM #

    I questioned Amato’s hiring of Pat Meyer…looks like another great Amato decision

    Amato hasn’t recruited well on the offensive line. His original idea of signing extra defensive line players and moving them to offense didn’t work out. Then he said he was going to make the offensive line a priority. Like most of Amato’s comments, it was all just talk. He clearly hasn’t made offensive line recruiting a priority, especially when Wake Forest is able to land and develop a better offensive line than State year after year. Now, with no real talent and no real depth, Amato decides to bring in a Pat Meyer, who had no experience coaching offensive linemen. Pure genuis!

  20. powersd 10/29/2006 at 7:18 PM #

    Although I am not quite ready to give up on Amato, I think we should be looking in a different direction if we do see a caoching change. I was in school with Cowher, and I am a huge Sterelers fan (and Cowher fan) but Cowher is a defense-oriented coach just like Amato. I wouuld like to see us go after Shane Montgomery, an up-and-comer with a real offensive focus. Defense is not our problem; we just ask too much of them. We need to learn (or relearn) how to score points and move the football. Texas Tech’s QB had more yards passing in the first half against Texas last night than we have had total offense in any complete game this year. You might say a great OC could accomplish this, but I think we need to refocus our direction. We have built up a reputation as a strong defensive team, and I think a strong coordinator can protect that. But it is going to take a shift in focus to the offensive side of the ball to bring this program around.

    Don’t get me wrong, I would be very happy with Bill Cowher patroling the sidelines at C-F. But I think we need to go in a differnet direction to get this program right.

  21. GrandWolf 10/29/2006 at 8:02 PM #

    We have the Broncos/Colts game on right now. Watching the protection in Manning’s passing game and the run blocking by Denver is making me sick. If NC State had an aggressive offensive line…………….. there’s no limit as to what State’s skill players could do w/ decent blocking.

    Makes me sick.

  22. 98st8 10/29/2006 at 9:06 PM #

    for some reason I find myself checking scores to see if Pittsburgh loses. I sure wish the stars would align for their season to end after we lose to ECU over Thanksgiving. Maybe, just maybe….. oh yeah I thought the same thing about Rick Barnes

  23. stejen 10/29/2006 at 9:23 PM #

    Amato knows his job is safe. Fowler is not about to deal with hiring another head coach like he did with the basketball hiring process (do you guys really think that Cowher would leave a safe job at Pittsburgh and come to work for a guy like Fowler?). The word I am getting is nobody likes Amato and that is why there is an assistant coach looking for another job on every place that leaves RDU. Maybe if there was some continuity here like they have at Virginia Tech or even Florida State, things would improve but I think you have to give the linemen a break. Every year it is a new coach with a new system and to expect them to learn the system to perfection would be a asking a lot out of an NFL offensive line much the less college level kids.

  24. Woof Wolf 10/29/2006 at 9:27 PM #

    It’s not the hogs, it’s the coaches. Sure it would be great to have some big, quick talented guys on the Oline. But it doesn’t matter if you could be the greatest athlete in the world, if you’re not in shape. It doesn’t matter how good you can block, if you don’t know who to block.

    A good coach can take a less talented group and turn them into an effective unit. A bad coach can take a talented group and make them look like ‘the five stooges.’

    It’s not the assistants. Even a blind CTC would have found an acorn by now. In fact he may have found one or two early on and they stayed a year or two and left. You attract them and sign them for more money. If you can’t instill in them reasons to stay, they will always take more money to go elsewhere.

    I been critical before and have said it’s time for some improvement, but I have never said, ‘get rid of the coach.’ It’s time.

    On another thread RF2 said, “If they rise up and beat Clemson or GT, or even win out, it would just further confirm that we have the talent, as we’ve seen when permitted, but these coaches are clueless as to how, or just plain afraid, to use it. ”

    I agree. If we don’t already have something in the works, it’s time to get serious about the search. We are going downhill and picking up speed.

  25. highstick 10/29/2006 at 9:32 PM #

    Anyone notice that Julius Peppers didn’t say where he attended college at the beginning of the Panthers game on Sunday night? Guess he’s totally embarrassed@

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