UNC-CH administrator & player: “We Cheated”, “it was a scam”, “it was so obvious”, “everybody knew”, “coaches knew”, “whole system of corruption”

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I couldn’t pick the best quote for the headline here. You tell me which one you liked the best –

 

“To keep winning and to keep these athletes eligible, we had to do something, and so, we cheated.” – Mary Willingham

 

“First one that actually told us [about the paper classes] was our advisors…their job is necessarily to make sure that I am eligible to play.” – Deunta Williams

 

“It was just a scam. The whole thing. It was a joke. It was SO obvious because you just see AFAM, AFAM, AFAM….” – Mary Willingham

 

“It’s crunch time and they need an A or they need a B, they would have these paper classes.” – Deunta Williams

 

“These athletes were getting certified by compliance, constantly.” – Deunta Williams

 

“Everybody knew” – Mary Willingham

 

“I believe that the coaches knew that it was going on.” – Mary Willingham

 

“I think the coaches knew enough to understand what was going on. I think they knew about the system itself; and, if a guy was in trouble the immediate response was why not put him in a paper class.” – Deunta Williams

 

“We still haven’t admitted that it was a whole system of corruption. We still can’t admit that.” – Mary Willingham

 

“There was no attendance” – Mary Willingham

 

“‘Everyone else is doing it’ that was what I was told time and time again.” - Mary Willingham

 

“I’ve never spoken to an NCAA rep. Never.” – Mary Willingham

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  • #49569

    StateFans
    Keymaster

    I couldn’t pick the best quote for the headline here. You tell me which one you liked the best —   “To keep winning and to keep these athletes e
    [See the full post at: UNC-CH professor & player: "We Cheated", "it was a scam", "it was so obvious", "everybody knew", "coaches knew", "whole system of corruption"]

    #49572

    tractor57
    Participant

    “Everyone else is doing it” – yeah right

    #49573

    NCSU88
    Participant

    Too many quotes from Willingham. Need more sources.

    #49574

    gotohe11carolina
    Participant

    “I’ve never spoken to an NCAA rep. Never.” – Mary Willingham

    Imagine that.

    #49575

    redcanine
    Participant

    You had me at “arrove”.

    #49576

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    NCAA = Mister Magoo

    #49577

    gotohe11carolina
    Participant
    #49578

    tractor57
    Participant

    Beyond the obvious partisan stuff this is simply wrong – forget fair play and college athletics but think about those athletes who were used and discarded after they were no longer useful.

    #49581

    MrPlywood
    Participant

    The conversation for that article is fascinating, with an argument between a couple of law types, one a law student at uNX who is chastising her school, another is an older UVA minted law type.

    #49582

    tkewolf1975
    Participant

    ESPN’s “Outside The Lines” episode at 3:00 PM today really portrayed the academic scandal in the reprehensible light that it deserves, both for the “athlete-students” that were allegedly denied educational benefits promised in exchange for athletic participation and for the athletic scandal that it TRUELY is despite the Flagship’s attempt to portray it otherwise. *NC not only allegedly defrauded the NCAA from an athletic perspective, but they also allegedly defrauded the athletes who were herded through the scam system solely for the purpose of maintaining athletic eligibility.

    1. No question the NCAA must visit UNC AGAIN…or the NCAA needs to close their doors and go home. These allegations, if proved, may be the most overt example of academic fraud for the benefit of favorable athletic exposure in the history of NCAA oversight. If this does not qualify for NCAA investigations, then the NCAA needs to reincorporate as a bank…better yet a money launderer.

    2. I am firmly convinced former *NC athletes have sufficient grounds to initiate litigation against the Flagship for fraud. Both civil and criminal litigation should be in play based on the nature of the charges brought forth and alleged. Both current and former (depending on the statute of limitations) academic administrators and athletic personnel are in legal jeopardy and with the mainstream media attention this is starting to generate beyond the triangle, I think it is only a matter of time before attorneys start booking motel reservations in Chapel Hill for civil litigation and law enforcement and district attorneys should be on campus to see if and how many criminal laws were broken and who is allegedly accountable criminally.

    3. In terms of pure alleged fraud and the potential monetary impact (both favorable for the athletic coffers of *NC and athletic personnel and the adverse monetary consequences for the athletes cheated out of an education) could dwarf the Bernie Madoff financial fraud. What monetary value can be placed on all the degrees not earned and the loss of wages over a lifetime as a result of a curriculum designed to maintain eligibility rather than educate? What monetary benefit did the university reap in ticket sales, TV revenue, NCAA and Bowl revenue, clothing and memorabilia sales,alumni and other contributions, etc. If this pattern of deceit can be proven to have occurred since the early 90?s as has been alleged, the total monetary damages could be in the billions.

    #49584

    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/03/21/3721266/group-unc-broke-state-law-by-harassing.html

    I hope that Willingham employs attorney Michael Byrne of Raleigh. This is right up his alley — Byrne represents state employees who have been mistreated by the system and he is perhaps one of the best at what he does.

    The discovery would be epic. And by epic, I mean 70mm 3-D Panavision Charlton Heston Academy Award winning *epic.*

    #49588

    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    Intimidation is a key factor in the deny and deflect strategy, which has worked pretty well for them.

    From an accreditation angle, I don’t understand how SACS can just walk away too. But then…think of all the politicians that have done the same thing. Where’s old Erskine? Marshall? Martin? These folks know.

    This has got to be an embarrassment to all these third parties including the NCAA. The local press certainly is bought and paid for by UNC-CHeat. Too big to fail.

    #49592

    JohnGalt78
    Participant

    Are you proud of those banners, a$$holes?

    #49593

    state73
    Participant

    3 BIG FAILURES UNC-CH,the NCAA, and SACS. All 3 need to be sued out of existence.

    #49595

    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    Millions in athletics versus billions in academics. You have to seriously wonder why UNC’s leadership are undermining their professors — the bulk of whom are honest, hard working people — and putting their academic reputation at risk for eight wins in football and championships in basketball.

    Overall, it indicates to me that their values are skewed and that boosters’ egos are more important than the core mission of the university. Holden Thorp was unable to effect change, and ended up leaving because he was turned into the bag man. Now they have Carol Folt, who is going along with all of this and using her unique skills at crisis management (the Scorched Earth Plan) to guide them back into what they think will be business as usual.

    And meanwhile, the state government, who ostensibly represents the taxpayers who have to pony up every year for this scam, are whistling by the graveyard.

    Some of you want banners to come down and that’s fine, but quite frankly, I think long prison sentences should be handed out to the true ringleaders. That will never happen, of course, because in NC, the tail wags the dog and the university runs the government, not the other way around as it should be.

    #49598

    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    Alpha- Great posts….thank you. Hadn’t had much time to think about Folt but you nailed it. These folks will be rewarded with six figure pensions like Dick Baddour. You’re right. They should be in jail.

    This is terrible to say…but hey!….Dean Smith is entering a new phase in his life. At a time when he is being asked to come to the White House and treated like a god in Chapel Hill (been like that for 30+ years but it’s different lately because of health issues and he looks different), the truth of his practices are finally coming to light. I don’t have venom in me but I do like to see karma come knocking every once in a while.

    This is his program even when Roy took the reigns. Signs point to this being Dean’s design. Matt D might be looking pretty good by the time this is said and done. Didn’t he try to fight the “Carolina Way”, which po’d the boosters.

    #49599

    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    What do you do with the folks like Martin? I would say that he has been complicit in the cover-up. He had to have known much more than Dan Kane. What do you do with the coaches that direct the AD (Smith, Williams, Gutheridge, Davis, etc)? It’s been in effect for so long, the AD was programmed and the coaches didn’t need to extend themselves.

    #49600

    DrWuffette1day
    Participant

    A$$hole didn’t even write his own book.

    Ok, mark that to low-grade venom.

    #49602

    PackerInRussia
    Participant

    ^ Come on, if you’ve learned anything from all of this stuff over the past years, it’s that people in UNC athletics don’t write their own stuff.

    #49604

    JohnGalt78
    Participant

    Coach Williams, your thoughts: “Hili ni jambo gumu niliyofanya. Najisikia pole kwa mwenyewe. Siwezi kuacha kilio. Ni tu si haki!. Na kwamba Willingham bitch unaweza kwenda kuzimu!”

    #49605

    tkewolf1975
    Participant

    “Hili ni jambo gumu niliyofanya. Najisikia pole kwa mwenyewe. Siwezi kuacha kilio. Ni tu si haki!. Na kwamba Willingham bitch unaweza kwenda kuzimu!”

    This is the hardest thing I ever did. I feel sorry for myself. I can not stop crying. It’s just not right!. And that Willingham bitch can go to hell!

    #49609

    tkewolf1975
    Participant

    “Hili ni jambo gumu niliyofanya. Najisikia pole kwa mwenyewe. Siwezi kuacha kilio. Ni tu si haki!. Na kwamba Willingham bitch unaweza kwenda kuzimu!”

    This is the hardest thing I ever did. I feel sorry for myself. I can not stop crying. It’s just not right!. And that Willingham bitch can go to hell!

    Had I attended *NC I could not have translated that…not because of the no show Swahili classes, but because I would not have been able to spell Google.

    #49612

    Pack85EE
    Participant

    APR – NCAA, APR is total BS unless you throw the book at UNC.

    #49613

    pakfanistan
    Participant

    Just in case you want to hear the OTL segment…

    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=10672168

    "I want my ten dollars!" -Abraham Lincoln
    #49617

    wilmwolf80
    Participant

    And to any Heel lurkers, I’ll lay it out for you. This can all be over today.

    1. Admit that a system of fake classes and grade changes was set up for the explicit purpose of keeping basketball players, and later football and baseball players eligible.

    2. Admit that every athlete that participated in this system should be retroactively declared academically ineligible.

    3. Forfeit any and all titles, championships (real and imagined), and revenue associated with these aforementioned athletes.

    4. All UNC-CH alumni that currently have any position within the UNC system and ACC conference power structure, up to and including the BOG and commissioner, resign effective immediately.

    Do these things, and we will stop looking. You can keep your St. Dean, keep your “Way”, keep your ugly blue, and keep your corrupt political connections. Choose to keep lying, misleading, and denying at your own risk.

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