Don’t Forget the Defense

I’m sure that come Thursday night/Friday morning, Russell Wilson and State’s offense will fill up a lot of message board posts (regardless of the results on the field). And that’s OK, but let’s not forget about the poor performances from State’s defense last year. Ken Tysiac summarized the 2007 defense several weeks ago (and I don’t think that we talked about it here).

Nobody in the ACC forced fewer turnovers last season than N.C. State’s 16.

The Wolfpack ranked last in the ACC in rushing defense and 11th in total defense and scoring defense.

Several times last year, I thought that State’s defense was the poorest we’ve seen since 2003. So I compiled the key defense stats since 2003 to document the defensive decline:

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One could make an argument that last year’s defense was not quite as bad as 2003. But before you take too much solace in that thought, let’s look at a few more things.

One of the things that is always important when looking at rankings is perspective…or the big picture. Obviously, one’s defensive rankings will be based on two things….the players on your defense and the players on their offense. So here is a compilation of the Div 1A offenses that State faced those two years:

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Imagine what State’s defensive rankings would have been if they had to face the 2003 offenses…or just be glad that no one is going to force us to play that mental game (or would it be torture?).

Another key difference between 2007 and 2003, was that in 2003 State’s young DL had a lot of on-the-job training that year. I don’t think that any State fan doubted that the 2004 and 2005 offense would be a lot better…but only the most optimistic would have ever predicted how good they would be or how quickly they would develop into one of the top defenses in the country.

However, the 2007 defense was not filled with young players. Here’s CFN’s summary:

There are plenty of holes to plug on a defense that ranked No. 11 in the ACC and ran out of gas in November. The casualties are everywhere, hindering the staff’s quest to become more physical in run defense and generate a greater number of takeaways. While the Pack will be challenged by the departures of five key members of the front seven, it gets back DE Willie Young and DT Alan-Michael Cash, a pair of playmakers with all-conference skills. Graduation was particularly harsh on the linebackers, which lose all three starters and three of the team’s top five tacklers

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Bottom line: State’s defense needs a lot of improvement and it may not come this year. The only bright spot that I can think of is that the ACC is filled with bad offenses (just look up at last year’s numbers) so there is always a chance that someone else’s offense will contribute to a State victory. (It’s not like State’s offense has been stingy with opposing defenses over the last several years.)

If I sound depressed or pessimistic, I’m not. I expect that TOB and his staff will turn State into a respectable program…I’m just not expecting it this year. But I would be happy to be proven wrong.

So on the opening week of college football, let’s summarize State’s national rankings in the key offensive and defensive categories from 2007:

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When do you think that TOB and his staff first figured out how much work they had in front of them in Raleigh?

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22 Responses to Don’t Forget the Defense

  1. jwrenn29 08/25/2008 at 8:32 PM #

    Yipes! That’s a lot of work to do, and I’m very much amazed we had such a nice second half to last season seeing these numbers now.

  2. Pack1997 08/25/2008 at 8:50 PM #

    Let’s not forget that a poor offense didn’t help last year. The offense constantly left the defense with a short field. Also due to many three and outs the defense was forced to be on the field for long periods of time. We really need to try a ball control offense to help our lack of depth on defense.

  3. MatSci94 08/25/2008 at 9:15 PM #

    Its also hard to figure in how much the new schemes and teaching hindered the defense. I’d be interested to see stats for the first half vs last half of the season. Also, how does the 16 turnovers forced compare to recent history? I seem to recall that we have had very low forced turnover numbers for several years now.

  4. choppack1 08/25/2008 at 9:38 PM #

    Well, the good news is that we face some fellow offensive bottom feeders in FSU, Miami, UNC, Duke, Maryland and I suspect BC will join the bottom feeders (though I suspect the Heels will be improved.)

    For some reason, I think our DL will be pretty good.

    If you think about it, when we didn’t start off in a huge hole – our D performed fairly well…I don’t think we gave up a lead or a late 4th quarter all year.

    We’ll see. Hopefully, we’ll stay in more games.

  5. VaWolf82 08/25/2008 at 9:50 PM #

    I’d be interested to see stats for the first half vs last half of the season.

    Then you would also have to separate the effect of the teams played in the first half versus the second half.

    My main point was to emphasis how much State’s defense has tailed off the last two years…and to point out that the defense may not have hit rock bottom last year.

  6. ChiefJoJo 08/25/2008 at 9:58 PM #

    The defense will be better, and I’m not convinced that we will not be improved at LB by mid-season. I thought our LBs were OK last year, but improvements are possible, especially at MLB, where James Martin didn’t seem to ever have instincts for the position (I hear good things about the frosh LBs). I expect great playmaking from Nate Irving.

    The starting corners will be solid, but the safeties must step up without Dajuan Morgan and Javon Walker back there. I like the D-Line to be a team strength with Kuhn, Holmes, Cash, and Young, and some decent reserves.

    We should know a lot about our team after a good test from SC. If the D doesn’t give up any big plays, can stop the run reasonably well and get a little penetration up front, I’ll be pleased.

  7. b 08/25/2008 at 10:35 PM #

    I think they will be better on the field this year, but it may not be a great leap statistically. With young players, regardless how talented, they will have to learn on the fly. They may make more plays this year, but they will likely give up some big ones while learning. Patience is the mantra.

    They and the offense both need to do a better job in the TO margin, and next year will be the year to take off. The old adage is a loss for every freshman starter, and we have two at current, and several first year players in other holes. The solid stats above show they could double their productivity on both sides of the ball, and still be below average.

    And that would be a good year all things considered. I think we all just want a team that fights with all their wit and will, and we can accept the results.

  8. BJD95 08/25/2008 at 11:17 PM #

    Don’t worry – as a lifelong NC State fan, I will never forget all of the various and sundry ways we can suck.

  9. howlie 08/26/2008 at 7:19 AM #

    I guess I was more stunned with how horrid Miami {FL} was last year–ranked 100th+ on O AND D.
    8 monkeys could be the coaching staff and take the best football recruits in America every year and do better than that. They have lost control down there…

  10. Daily Update 08/26/2008 at 8:23 AM #

    It is a real shame that this turned to be a total rebuild for TOB.

  11. Noah 08/26/2008 at 8:28 AM #

    I think the defense will be okay this year. I don’t think they’ll be great, but they’ll be okay.

    It’s the offense that worries me. And special teams.

  12. Mike 08/26/2008 at 8:56 AM #

    Stats can be very misleading. A few years ago UNX had one of the worst defenses in ACC history. Yet, they were #1 in the conference in pass defense! Why? They had low yardage totals because teams ran the ball the whole game. No need to pass.

    I always appreicate VaWolf’s statisitcal analyses. This one speaks loudly, but I think I am going against stats and will be pleasantly surprised that our D will step up and be tough. BC and UVA always had toughness on the D side of the ball under TOB and I expect we will be the same (just hope sooner than later).

  13. vtpackfan 08/26/2008 at 9:47 AM #

    Theyw ill be exciting to root for because I think they will be physical all game long and play with a chip on their shoulder.

    Last year we had some seniors that seemed to go through alot of ups downs. I will be looking forward to guys like Byers, Lucas, Madddux, Rieskamp and to be in on some big plays. The more they look like future play makers the better I will feel about Archer and the outlook of this program. JC guys like Locust and McKeen would be icing on the cake because I look to this current youth movement to make this program resembe a TOB one sooner rather then later.

    The stats from last season are a bit misleading but still a great measureable tool moving forward. THe first part half of the season was a complete train wreck, Sr’s like Scott, Wright and Sutton were benched, Neal left the program and the rest of them fell in line because they read the writing on the wall.

    The second half of the season would have looked great statistly except for the last two games. I will join the cop out crew that says our lacking depth finally bit us in the rear and we were sliced up by dangerous offenses that were much more physically ready. The Miami game should be thrown out since we won’t face another offense that runs the ball every play until we face off with PJ.

  14. ChuckAllYall 08/26/2008 at 9:59 AM #

    How long is Javon Walker out for? Has he been practicing any this spring?

  15. wufpup76 08/26/2008 at 11:39 AM #

    “If I sound depressed or pessimistic, I’m not. I expect that TOB and his staff will turn State into a respectable program…I’m just not expecting it this year. But I would be happy to be proven wrong.”

    Exactly the outlook I have for this program this season … couldn’t have said it any better 🙂 … I suspect we will be pleasantly surprised this year but we’ll see how it goes

  16. redfred2 08/26/2008 at 11:40 AM #

    “I think the defense will be okay this year. I don’t think they’ll be great, but they’ll be okay.”

    Come on Noah, your somewhat positive comments worry the pooh out of me. You need to be saying that State will suck out loud in every aspect, because we all know from past experience(s) that that’s the only way we stand a decent chance at seeing any improvement.

  17. Dr. BadgerPack 08/26/2008 at 12:48 PM #

    VAWOLF- Good stuff. Would it be terribly difficult to add time of possesion to your tables? That is immensely helpful when putting things in there proper perspective. (Are defenses that good/bad, or are they just out there too long/short).

  18. WolfpackSteelersFan2 08/26/2008 at 3:47 PM #

    This year, I expect much better execution than last year, although we will suffer from having less experience.

    I don’t think we’re less talented than last year, because by last year, the mass exodus of defensive talent had already been largely completed (Mario, Manny, Tank Tyler, Tulloch, all gone, Pressley was disappointing). DaJuan Morgan was our biggest loss, I think. We’d rather not have true freshmen playing at LB, but our SRs weren’t awesome last year. I think we may even make it to 6 or 7 wins this year.

  19. redfred2 08/26/2008 at 7:33 PM #

    Veering from the header slightly, but I believe this is another year where EARLY game, and EARLY season, OFFENSE will once again make or break the season. This defense is suspect for sure, but when you play down after down, holding your own and finally bending after giving a fairly sound effort, it really sucks to have an offense that just skips out onto the field for one or two sets of downs, and then skips back to the sidelines, handing back to the defense all of the responsibility of stopping the opposition, ONCE AGAIN, before they’ve even had enough time to catch their own breath.

    I’m just as hopeful as I ALWAYS am, but I’m not about to dare to guess the number of W’s and L’s. TOB is still in the middle of restructuring, and without players of his own choosing for the most part, so this yet another season where I would be happy just to see his (successful) philosophy really start taking hold for the future.

  20. VaWolf82 08/26/2008 at 8:01 PM #

    Would it be terribly difficult to add time of possesion to your tables?

    All of these numbers came from ncaa.org…which has hired someone to do a really outstanding job on organizing and hyperlinking FB stats. Here’s the link to the “home page”:

    http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/footballMenu.html

    You can take a look through them….but I didn’t find TOP listed (but I only took a quick look).

  21. Dr. BadgerPack 08/26/2008 at 9:09 PM #

    Thanks for the link. No TOP for 2003 or 2004, 2005 we were 88th, 2006 and 2007 80th. Right around 29 minutes/game in those seasons.

    Wisconsin has had some good defenses recently, and perhaps not coincidentally they rank at or near the top in TOP. Their TOP last year was 33:44/game… makes it a little easier on the defense. Wake was second in TOP at 33:26/game (didn’t quite expect that).

    Great stats page. Thanks again for the link.

  22. Dr. BadgerPack 08/26/2008 at 9:21 PM #

    By the way, TOP data was under national rankings, bottom link in the right hand column.

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