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Greywolf, I think both our entire games vs GSU and ODU were WTF games.
As far as where we go from here, we’ll probably win at home Saturday, then lay some more eggs when we go on the road vs Louisville and Syracuse. Then we’ll rebound against GT because it’s at home (maybe a win, maybe not), then we’ll likely beat Wake here, and we’ll finish out the season with another road loss at UNC. We’ll end up either 7-5 or 6-6.
I’d love to be optimistic about our program, but I just don’t see us rising above anyone in the league except maybe Wake, BC and Syracuse, and right now we haven’t been consistently beating any of these schools except at home. Until we get a real DEFENSE and a real QUARTERBACK, we’ll continue to be mired in mediocrity.
I’m in no way attacking our current QB, who put the team on his back vs FSU. But I think he’s primarily a running back who’s trying to be something he’s not. Same problem is going on in many other places, most notably at Michigan.
The Clemson game was more than a smack in the mouth; it was more like another big nail pounded into the coffin of what once was a competitive football program. I haven’t see one thing so far this season that makes me think our program is going down the right road.
I haven’t see one thing so far this season that makes me think our program is going down the right road.
I’ve seen offensive growth and the offense providing wins when the defense wasn’t up to the job.
I’ve seen a team that didn’t fold up and cave when they were up against it in tight games against far better than expected opponents.
I’ve seen a huge step in quarterbacking.
I’ve seen receivers that can actually catch, something that TOB couldn’t seem to recruit.
I saw a solid near start-to-finish domination on the road at USF, something that even good NC State teams have struggled to achieve.
While I wouldn’t say that this program has “turned the corner” by any means, I see the signs of the possibility of that becoming a reality perhaps by the end of this year.
But…by all means compare us to Clemson or FSU, two traditional football powers who have years of solid recruiting to stock a program from end to end and say our program is not doing anything positive.
Alpha,
You handled this ^ very nicely. I wanted to rip off his head and sh8t down his throat.Again, thanks for providing a post that provoked some pretty decent discussion. If you got the time check out the “Emotional Loss:…” thread. I’d like to hear your (and a few others who haven’t weighed in) thoughts.
Greywolf, emotional investment should be for every game. Playing Clemson in Death Valley and we are emotionally spent a week later give me a break. I did not go into every detail and I will assume you watched the game but part of the fiasco was when we spiked the ball and then got a delay of game penalty for not getting the play in on time(coaching). We went into halftime with a timeout in our pocket so even if we go for a touchdown instead of field goal if managed properly we should have had at least one more play.
Unlikely there is a fork per se. We will win a few and lose a few. Crappy bowl game will be in the cards. Progress I suppose, but our real issue is a large talent gap between us and Clemson/Florida State.
Let’s hope that DD’s 3 star recruits are better than the 3 star recruits O’Brien brought in. DD has not brought in top 20 recruiting classes that UNC has done with surprising consistency post-Bunting years.
Sorry PA44, as others have stated, recruiting is a process. It takes years to build the kind of talent like Clemson and FSU. Had TPB recruited worth a flip, we might not be in the situation we are in today – but he and his staff did not care to recruit. We dug a hole and it will take time to get out.
The best way to get out of that hole is to support our team and our coach. Bring in a few highly ranked players, which DD is starting to do. I hate to say give it time (or WTNY) because that was the motto for Sendek and Lowe but patience is a good thing.
Greywolf, emotional investment should be for every game.
That’s a little condescending and not grounded in reality. FSU was the #1 ranked team in the country. Losing to FSU meant any chance for the conference championship was ended. The factor of being oh so close to victory is part of the letdown. I don’t see how you think the emotional investment in the GSU, ODU and Presbyterian games was the same as for FSU. It isn’t just the lack of return on investment that f**ks with the mind, it’s additional let down having sweet victory turned into heart wrenching defeat.
You want to grasp this? Try looking in your own life at a similar event where there was emotional investment and loss and notice how long or how quickly you got over it. If it’s big enough, sometimes we never get over it.
part of the fiasco was when we spiked the ball and then got a delay of game penalty for not getting the play in on time(coaching).
I couldn’t tell from watching TV if the play was late getting in or Jacoby couldn’t get the play communicated and the snap before time ran out. I’m sure that Doeren would take the blame off Jacoby if that were the case.
We went into halftime with a timeout in our pocket so even if we go for a touchdown instead of field goal if managed properly we should have had at least one more play.
So what would you have done differently to “properly manage” the last 8 seconds? Jacoby threw the ball away and the clock operator let the clock run out or so the TV announcers seem to think. We should have had one more play as the game was managed. Often I sit in my easy chair in the calm of my living room and disagree with how things go on the field. This is not one of those times.
not brought in top 20 recruiting classes that UNC has done with surprising consistency post-Bunting years.
I forget how well we have done with our pitiful recruiting classes. What was it? 5 in a row with those mediocre athletes?
If State fans told the truth about it, UNC has a dominant fan base in NC. NC State has had to overcome the doctor, lawyer and businessman persona of UNC verses NC State’s farmer, mechanic and engineer persona of the past. Don’t get me wrong I’m proud of being of the farmer, mechanic and engineer group.
Hell, even StateFans sometimes ridicules country folk. Think not? Go back and read some of the posts during Fowler’s tour of duty. Jed? Not exactly indicating doctor, lawyer of businessman is it.
UNC has done less with more than any school I know of.
I think alpha summed it up perfectly… I only disagree with it coming down to players. I think it could and should come down to them, but I do think coaching will be a factor when you consider 2 evenly matched teams.
Success in sports is reliant on 3 factors (if you take away officials) – preparation, execution and ability. I think alpha is saying that both squads are in the ballpark in the “ability” area. Execution will definitely be huge…but prep is a big factor as well.
coaching will be a factor when you consider 2 evenly matched teams.
A fellow coach had this to say about Bear Bryant, “He can take his’n and beat your’n or he can take your’n and beat his’n.” Superior preparation, execution and (recruited) ability is a result of superior coaching.
I shamefully envied UNC when they got Fedora. Now I would be sick if he coached State. IMNSHO Coaches make a huge difference. It’s why they can command the salaries they do.
I see the sunshine squad is back.
I’m in no way attacking our current QB, who put the team on his back vs FSU. But I think he’s primarily a running back who’s trying to be something he’s not.
That has got to be the most stupid comment I’ve read to date about this season, this team. Brissett is a good QB (at worst) with potential to be great. And of all the things Brissett is not, he is certainly not an RB.
Mods – I want to be clear and have it noted that I am criticizing a comment, not the poster who made them.
I haven’t see one thing so far this season that makes me think our program is going down the right road.
Given the first quote above, what you have not seen does not surprise me.
You handled this ^ very nicely. I wanted to rip off his head and sh8t down his throat.
As I was reading the words I quoted, my second thought was, “Aw lordy, wait until Grey’ gets a load of this”. 🙂
Let’s hope that DD’s 3 star recruits are better than the 3 star recruits O’Brien brought in.
Well dammit, let’s just castrate the coaches for only bringing in a few 4 stars in their first 2 recruiting classes post TOB’s recruiting retirement 4 or 5 years ago. I mean, c’mon. It’s not like DD was limited to only a few months with that 2nd class like he was with his first, he had a full freakn year!
Especially with all those inroads the previous staff made with NC high schools. How many was it, that said an NC State coach had never visited, or even contact them, prior to DD’s staff? Dammit, with that set up, DD shoulda hit the ground running, full speed, and brought in a least a half dozen 5 stars by now!
greywolf: I thought Fedora was a solid hire for UNC, particularly given the impending cloud of all that was going over there. I thought DD was good for NC State as well. Both had inherited good programs at their previous stops, seemingly improved them and rode out of town with a somewhat limited track record.
I think Fedora will be there as long as that cloud hangs over UNC. With more and more being uncovered, I just don’t see anyone better looking to take that job. I also think Fedora probably has enough dirt on them from his time there alone to have good job security.
If you want to see what “impact” Fedora and DD had on their programs, check out what happened when they left. S. Miss has been a complete train wreck, so love him or hate him, Fedora was seemingly doing something right. N. Illinois success seemed more linked to Lynch and a talented class than possibly to DD.
Long story short, I think we’re improving and have seen signs of that improvement. The next step is to get DD’s first ACC win. If we can’t do that against BC at home, then we’re going to start 0-4, and the pressure is really going to mount for the Syracuse game.
Success in sports is reliant on 3 factors (if you take away officials) – preparation, execution and ability.
Missing something there, Chop’. Don’t matter how well you prepare and execute if the game plan ain’t worth a damn. And ability won’t help if the astuteness of you coaches don’t surpass the combined measures of BFD and Bunting.
There’s a coach’s mental acuity and shrewdness aspect that fits in there somewhere. Don’t matter how hard or how much you work if you’re not working smart towards the proper destination.
S. Miss has been a complete train wreck, so love him or hate him, Fedora was seemingly doing something right.
Look beyond the surface. S. Miss would’ve been a train wreck if Fedora had stayed. There’s more than one reason why he got out when he did.
Coming into the season, I expected 3 games somewhat (at varying degrees) like was just experienced down in Death Valley. FSU, Clemson, and Louisville. FSU was what it was, and Louisville has had its own relative struggles.
As disappointed as I was after the Clemson game, at worst, we’re still on schedule.
Win or lose, we get our first legit metric point of the program’s progress this weekend. A loss doesn’t necessarily denote a bad measure. To me, it will depend on how it plays out.
I’m still expecting a loss to Louisville – with our defense, and Petrino on the other sideline, it will probably be a big one.
Then there’s Syracuse, Ga Tech, Wake, and u*nc. We’re probably only favored against Wake, I don’t know what to think of Syracuse at this point, I think Ga Tech offers an interesting opportunity (I THINK our D might match up relatively well), and then the u*nc rivalry game.
So this weekend is huge, but 2 (3 at most) realistic, legitimate opportunities for wins remain.
Still have no idea what to expect this weekend. Would not be surprised by a 20 point loss. Would not be surprised by a 20 point victory. Curious to see how we play their run dominant offense (blitzes en mass?). It could play to our ‘strengths’ (yes, using that term lightly) on D. If we win, #8 D Wright will be a big part of it.
7-5(3-5) and Doeren is my ACC COY. That’s WAY ahead of schedule.
To me, it was easy to see the schedule from jump street and pencil in 2 ass-beatings. @Clemson (great talent, great home crowd, too similar in style for us to leverage anything) and @Louisville (great home crowd, easily one of the best 3-5 gameday coaches in the nation – he won’t leave any weakness unexploited).
We let an unexpected Herculean performance get us ahead of ourselves. That’s all.
Jacoby still reminds me of Andrew Luck. Even he has had some awful games in his career. What happens when his teammates are overwhelmed and he tries to do too much himself.
easily one of the best 3-5 gameday coaches in the nation – he won’t leave any weakness unexploited
Yeah, I agree. That’s what scares me as to what level of ugly (on defense) we might get, again.
I was hoping Chad Morris had more Butch Davis in him than Bobby P. Was hoping he’d keep his QB with his 4.89 40 in the pocket and the designed runs to a minimum. Knew we had no chance if the game planned prominently featured Watson running the ball. No such luck. He called Watson’s number early and it was ugly.
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