Selection Sunday Post-Mortem

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  • #101394

    VaWolf82
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    I looked over KenPom’s ranking. I have to question anything that ranks Wichita St as #12 in the country.

    #101395

    gso packbacker
    Participant

    @ Cowdog – Actually, my Grandfather finished in mid 1920’s (basketball/football/baseball/track), but was inducted in 1973. I was only a wee lad, but I remember it was a really big deal (the game) as they played a South Carolina team coached by Frank McGuire that had Alex English and Mike Dunleavy on the roster.

    My Pops also did a “short tour” of Bonnies before they decided he might want to pursue other endeavors before returning and later decided to finish at Syracuse.

    They had more great stories than you could shake a stick at!

    #101397

    TheCOWDOG
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    I looked over KenPom’s ranking. I have to question anything that ranks Wichita St as #12 in the country.

    Wait ’til they knock off Zona, Thurs. 🙂

    @gso: Maybe, one day, I’ll spill the beans as to why Bob Lanier missed 8 minutes in a NCAAT game to have…A sneaker taped!!

    #101401

    MP
    Participant

    I looked over KenPom’s ranking. I have to question anything that ranks Wichita St as #12 in the country.

    Sigh. SFN, home of snark. Was it you that has blasted posters for cherry picking data in the past?

    To answer your question, my input on advanced metrics is to say I don’t know what other information the committee would use other than what I listed; well also ESPN BPI. Yes I “like” this data, but if someone were to inform me of other advanced metric data the committee may have used I may like that as well.

    Do with it what you want.

    #101403

    john of sparta
    Participant

    hijack:
    For Don Horton, who coached football at both North Carolina State University and Boston College, the need for a specific kind of adaptive shirt arose when he didn’t expect it. Following a NC State loss against Maryland, Don got trapped in the locker room— unable to button his shirt— until one of his players, Russell Wilson, now quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks, helped him do so.
    link:
    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/03/15/inspired-by-husband-nc-woman-designs-adaptive-clothing-for-disabled-strikes-deal-with-major-retailers.html?intcmp=hplnws

    #101405

    choppack1
    Participant

    It would be nice if the committee used some kind of transparent methodology… Of course, of they did that there would be no need to have a committee, no all-expense paid trips, and no back-room politicking.

    Good game tonight though and I am enjoying it.

    #101406

    choppack1
    Participant

    Watching Wichita state play is painful… Not because of how “ugly” they play – but only because it’s pretty darn obvious being good defensively is not about talent, but rather effort and emphasis.

    #101408

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Vanderbilt may be as bad as any team I’ve seen play all year. Wichita looked as if it had no business in the tourney, and won by 20.

    #101410

    choppack1
    Participant

    Stallings is in that Sendek, Gottfried category… Decent coach, (coach being a combo of recruiting, teaching, gameplanning, managing personnel and scheduling) – but hasnt hung banners and isn’t going to unless something catastrophic / miraculous happens.

    #101413

    Whiteshoes67
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    There was never the slightest chance Wichita State wasn’t getting an at-large if they didn’t win the Missouri Valley tournament. They racked up 4-5 losses early in the year against quality competition, including several NCAA tournament teams, when their PG and reigning MVC conference POY played hurt, or didn’t play altogether. Take away close losses and they were essentially a 3 loss team in a pretty good league. They’re not as good as the teams with Cleanthony Early from a few years ago, but they’re a top 25 club

    As for Kenpom, as I understand it, it is not intended to be a predictive ranking. The ranking is intended to rate what the team would do against an average opponent.

    #101421

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    It would be nice if the committee used some kind of transparent methodology…

    I don’t know if they did it this year, but for several past years the NCAA hosted a mock selection committee for various media outlets. They illustrated their process and then had groups of media go through their own selection/seeding process…including confusion caused by upsets in conference tournaments.

    The talking heads refuse to learn the process, evidently preferring to make up their own rules so that they will have something to bitch about. But there are all kinds of people that do their own predictive brackets and do a fairly decent job at predicting which teams will get in. If complete outsiders can predict the results, then the selection process is not that opaque.

    However, I am curious about what “advanced” metrics they are using and under what circumstances these other metrics are used. While I poked fun at kenpom/wichita st; they were included for some reason and I am interested in learning that thought process.

    #101422

    choppack1
    Participant

    Yea – but that’s the thing… The conference tournaments shouldn’t create chaos – it’s just more games.

    Regarding the NCAA committee – is that open to the public?

    #101423

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    if the media had access, then I’m sure we would know about it.

    #101548

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Sorry to bring this back up, but I wanted to leave a note where I would be sure to see it next year:

    Syracuse entered Selection Sunday losing 5 of 6, including their opening round game in the ACCT. Their selection supports previous statements made by the Selection Committee that all wins/losses are given equal weight, regardless of when they occur in the season.

    Several years ago, Iowa lost 6 of last 7 games and got in:
    http://www.statefansnation.com/2014/03/bubble-bursts/

    Syracuse’s RPI from the NCAA doesn’t agree with either CBS or ESPN. (But since the NCAA doesn’t give daily updates, their “official” numbers come out too late to be useful to us.) I believe that SYR’s NCAA ranking of 71 sets a new record low for a power conference school….and supports the outer edges of the bubble region I use in the weekly RPI updates.

    #101549

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Selection Committee seeding

    1. Kansas
    2. North Carolina
    3. Virginia
    4. Oregon
    5. Michigan St.
    6. Oklahoma
    7. Villanova
    8. Xavier
    9. West Virginia
    10. Miami (FL)
    11. Utah
    12. Texas A&M
    13. Duke
    14. California
    15. Kentucky
    16. Iowa St.
    17. Indiana
    18. Purdue
    19. Maryland
    20. Baylor
    21. Texas
    22. Notre Dame
    23. Arizona
    24. Seton Hall
    25. Wisconsin
    26. Dayton
    27. Iowa
    28. Oregon St.
    29. Texas Tech
    30. Colorado
    31. Southern California
    32. Saint Joseph’s
    33. Providence
    34. Butler
    35. Cincinnati
    36. UConn
    37. Pittsburgh
    38. Temple
    39. Syracuse
    40. VCU
    41. Vanderbilt
    42. Michigan
    43. Wichita St.
    44. Gonzaga
    45. Tulsa
    —————Last at-large bid
    46. UNI
    47. Chattanooga
    48. Little Rock
    49. Yale
    50. South Dakota St.
    51. UNCW
    52. Hawaii
    53. Stony Brook
    54. Iona
    55. Green Bay
    56. Buffalo
    57. Fresno St.
    58. Stephen F. Austin
    59. Middle Tenn.
    60. CSU Bakersfield
    61. UNC Asheville
    62. Weber St.
    63. Austin Peay
    64. Hampton
    65. FGCU
    66. Fairleigh Dickinson
    67. Southern U.
    68. Holy Cross

    http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/bracket-beat/2016-03-14/march-madness-every-team-ranked-ncaas-complete-seed-list

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