05/15/2012 at 11:00 AM #39270ruffles31Keymaster
In the past week, the News and Observer has dropped the academic bomb on the University of North Carolina. An investigation into the African and Afro-
[See the full post at: Roy Williams, 3 percent, and Swahili]05/15/2012 at 11:06 AM #39271baxterMember
Nice Ruffles, I pointed this out on the first day it came out how misleading that 3% number is, and why I was surprised no one followed up with that possibly being an overwhelming majority of the team.05/15/2012 at 11:08 AM #39272highstickParticipant
That was “way too confusing” for a Hole grad or fan…Don’t confuse them with statistics and facts.
"Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!05/15/2012 at 11:17 AM #39273lakerpride21Member
I’d be more worried about confusing them with the facts.05/15/2012 at 11:19 AM #39274triadwolfParticipant
The N&O only addresses basketball and football; how many other “student” athletes from other sports were taking these classes? That 39% figure of athletes taking those classes may shoot up significantly if you look beyond just the two sports. If say 65% taking these courses were athletes, that’s an extremely large percentage compared to the student body and is major indicator that the whole department was giving preferential treatment to athletes. As if we don’t already know that’s the case…05/15/2012 at 11:43 AM #39275GAWolfKeymaster
Someone should ask ol’ Drew R. what he thinks about about that, Triad.
Nice work with the numbers, Ruffles. It’s interesting that this is the BEST CASE SCENARIO for UNC Basketball and the Swahili prong. This is assuming all unknown facts in their favor. Reality is probably somewhere far from “in their favor.” However, until more transparency is known, this is the best possible assumption.
Again, with misleading information such as “3%” out there, an independent investigation is absolutely 100% necessary.05/15/2012 at 11:50 AM #39276fullmoon1Participant
Maybe basketball and football players only make up a small percentage the total number of students that took the class, a very high percentage of players on those teams took the class, if that makes sense.05/15/2012 at 11:52 AM #39277UpstateSCWolfpackMember
If is is found that basketball players were on the receiving end of grade changes, and/or got credit for courses with no professor, and they played even just one second of a game; doesn’t that make them ineligible? Then, is UNX looking at vacating wins, final fours, and championships? Or, is this no longer a concern for the NCAA? Or does it become a concern with them again if the SBI investigates and finds wrong doing?05/15/2012 at 12:14 PM #39278WV WolfKeymaster
Very nice work.05/15/2012 at 12:28 PM #39279
In addition to looking at the numerator of the equation, consider the denominator as well. The undergraduate population may be 18,500, but what was it for summer school, when most of these classes allegedly occurred? Fastest relevant figure I could find (from the UNC web site) was 8500 in 2006, and that may include grad students. Damn cheaters even cheat at reporting on their own cheating.05/15/2012 at 12:33 PM #39280lawfulParticipant
If the statistics are correct and the vast majority of the students taking these courses were non-athletes, then don’t we as the lunatic fringe have a duty to find some of theses non-athletic swahili educated individuals and get some info? There must be thousands out there.05/15/2012 at 12:38 PM #39281GAWolfKeymaster
Very good point, Gumby. Very good point.05/15/2012 at 12:43 PM #39282RickKeymaster
Great work.05/15/2012 at 1:22 PM #39283RochesterParticipant
Swahili is just the tip of the iceberg here. The walls are really going to come down when someone starts digging into the Pig Latin classes.05/15/2012 at 1:25 PM #39284ParamarineParticipant
This is an excellent post, but I’d like to respectfully request a correction. You stated “1. A soldier who graduated from North Carolina around the year 2000…”
Could you edit to change the word “soldier” to “Marine”, or even “servicemember”? I know it might seem like a minor distinction to the uninitiated, but to Marines, it’s an error of no small significance.
No disrespect to our soldiers intended. It’s somewhat like calling them sailors, or vice versa. Quite frankly, I wish it weren’t a Marine that took this idiot course.
Many thanks.05/15/2012 at 1:27 PM #39285Pack MentalityParticipant
I didn’t think the 3% meant the percentage of the team. It was the percentage of the class. 3% is 50 times greater than the basketball players make up in the student population. That is where the discrepancy in appreciation of the 3% number by the masses lies.05/15/2012 at 1:27 PM #39286ruffles31Keymaster
^Paramarine, will do. My apologies. I appreciate and respect what you do for our country.05/15/2012 at 1:32 PM #39287ParamarineParticipant
Thanks for the quick response – though I must admit that my USMC days are distant history.05/15/2012 at 1:42 PM #39288PackMan97Participant
I wonder when UNC says 36% football, 3% basketball, 19% Olympic Sports. Ok, I get that. UNC then claims the rest were not student-athletes. Ok, what were they?
Where they volunteers for various teams? student managers? otherwise involved in the athletic programs and departments? I would love to know the answer to that question. My guess is of the remaining non-athletes, a good portion of them are indeed involved in the athletic programs at UNC.05/15/2012 at 1:49 PM #39289Tau837Participant
^Interesting question PackMan. I hope someone explores and reports on that.05/15/2012 at 2:54 PM #39290PackerInRussiaParticipant
Occupy Swahili: We are the 3%05/15/2012 at 7:02 PM #39291
The remaining non-athlete students enrolled were all the tutors05/15/2012 at 10:00 PM #39292state73Participant
Roy Williams is a PRICK!!!05/16/2012 at 10:45 AM #39293
State73, you keep that up and we’ll have to change your user name to “Captain Obvious”
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