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  • #116722

    Daily Update
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    After last season’s 5-13 conference record, the ACC media and fans of NC State were expecting this year’s team to compete in the top half of the ACC a
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    #116724

    pakfanistan
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    Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    Perfect example of cherry picking your stats to fit your narrative.

    I’m not arguing for or against keeping Gott, but this is sleazy work.

    #116725

    Rick
    Keymaster

    I’m not arguing for or against keeping Gott, but this is sleazy work.

    Who are you kidding? You have been arguing for Gott since he got here. If you have an argument by all means make it instead of just criticizing the work of someone else.

    #116726

    WolfWiz11
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    Well, this comparison is also slightly problematic because the ACC looks nothing like it used to. Maryland left and we adopted Louisville, Cuse, Pitt, and ND.

    #116728

    WolfWiz11
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    Full disclosure, i want Gott gone; actually emailed Yow and received a response from her assistant the other day.

    #116729

    TheAliasTroll
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    Just because the conference shuffled around doesn’t mean our expectations should be lowered. I mean, we’re looking at ACC cellar dwellar records.

    #116730

    choppack1
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    Funny – once switched from a playing style that was more plodding, physical and athletic to one that emphasized skills – Sendek enjoyed success and for all of his faults, I got the impression he had a plan – and did a decent job executing it. Even his 10th year – which as you correctly note – fell apart towards the end – was a testament to this process as the team went 10-6 and won in the round of 64 in the NCAAs.

    The next year looked daunting, but who knows how it would have turned out with him at the helm.

    OTOH – with Gott – every year it seems like we are throwing a lineup together and you just don’t know what we’ll have. He has proven successful at assembling talent – but that’s only half the battle.

    He is losing this other half. You want to know your prior year’s reserves will be this year’s starters. We actually saw Warren, and even Vandenberg do this. We saw Cat take it to the next level.

    The turnover under Gott has been so extreme that we have really lost out on the Cam, Scooters, Cliff Crawford’s, CJ Williams, Marcus Melvin’s of the world.

    #116731

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    It’s always interesting to see a numerical argument. Even accounting for a powerful season, what he’s crapped out the past two seasons are Sid/Les-worthy. Embarrassing.

    #116732

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Gottfried has 3 NCAA bids currently(maybe a 4th this year) and 1 Sweet 16.

    Isn’t it four bids and 2 S-16s?

    Bids – 2012 – 2015
    S-16 – 2012, 2015

    #116733

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Oh, and HWSNBN still sucks. What we have here is just a different kind (faster) of implosion.

    Time only moves forward, and wrong guy is wrong guy. The market has proven us right with everyone with thrown overboard. We just need to get the right man here.

    #116734

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Gottfried has 3 NCAA bids currently(maybe a 4th this year) and 1 Sweet 16.

    Isn’t it four bids and 2 S-16s?

    Yes. That’s what bought him the mulligan year.

    #116735

    WolfWiz11
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    Just because the conference shuffled around doesn’t mean our expectations should be lowered. I mean, we’re looking at ACC cellar dwellar records.

    Sure. Just thought it was appropriate to say that to give Gott all the credit he deserves. The problem is, 6 years in, it’s clear his early successes were miracle runs.

    #116737

    packbackr04
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    N&O reports BJ & GOTT had words at practice. BJ suspended for FSU game. No traveling.

    love him or hate him, Anya has been a Wolfpacker through and through. This is not going well for Gott.

    #116739

    StateRed44
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    Barring the miraculous, he’s not doing nearly good enough for it to even be a hard question. If we care about our program in the least, a change will have to be made. The coaching and effort are noticeably poor. It’s at an unacceptable level.

    #116742

    choppack1
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    Perfect example of cherry picking your stats to fit your narrative.

    I’m not arguing for or against keeping Gott, but this is sleazy work.

    How so? These are Gott’s last 2 years. Granted, the year isn’t over yet and the ACC is extra tough. Of course, some might say “other coaches had a tough schedule too pal!”

    Seriously though – he is in Year 6 and his results have tailed off – just like they did at Bama. This development shouldn’t surprise anyone with an IQ above 80 since he wasn’t fired from Alabama for his off court issues alone.

    #116745

    TheAliasTroll
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    The problem is, 6 years in, it’s clear his early successes were miracle runs.

    I don’t think they were miracle runs. I think they were Bobby Lutz runs.

    #116746

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    One of the lessons of the HWSNBN road to purgatory was – to me – that MG’s “mulligan year” came with a very big asterisk. He needed to convince me and then some. NOT squeak by.

    Which is why I am fine saying he is finished and buried at this point.

    Winning out would be like a 1 in 2,000 probability event (do the math yourself), and that just gets us to 10-8. Not good enough with the talent we have, coming off such a stinker season, and having created so much bad juju this December and January.

    What about if we randomly won the ACCT? We definitely have the talent and depth to do it, and the tourney setting seems to masks our issues with lack of preparation, etc.

    Just ask yourself how much UConn has done since their miracle tourney run. Jack squat.

    #116747

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    The King Hippo thing ought to get him fired mid-season. Taking away the little bits of joy we have left.

    #116748

    Rick
    Keymaster

    N&O reports BJ & GOTT had words at practice. BJ suspended for FSU game. No traveling.

    love him or hate him, Anya has been a Wolfpacker through and through. This is not going well for Gott.

    Yeah, it has always looked like the players did not respect him and this seems to highlight that.

    #116753

    Daily Update
    Keymaster

    Vawolf82: That section was referencing each coach’s last 5 seasons. For Gott that would be years 2-6 hence 3 NCAAS and only 1 S16. I was trying to highlight how much better Sendek did during that timeframe yet still was under major fire from the fanbase. So of course Gott deserves to be on the hot seat as well since his most recent 5 years are worse than Sendek’s.

    I will try to make that more clear later

    #116755

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Winning out would be like a 1 in 2,000 probability event (do the math yourself)

    1 in 32,038 of winning out

    EDIT
    Odds from teamrankings.com

    #116756

    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    Just ask yourself how much UConn has done since their miracle tourney run. Jack squat.

    If I remember right the UConn miracle run was 2011 was under Jim Calhoun.. i think they won it all again in 2014 under a different coach though.

    Winning out would be like a 1 in 2,000 probability event (do the math yourself)

    i’m curious now.. if I get some time later i’ll run the numbers from Kenpom.

    EDIT: n/m VaWolf killing it in here

    #116757

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    i’m curious now.. if I get some time later i’ll run the numbers from Kenpom.

    Do it. I’m curious to see the comparison to teamrankings.com. I’ve been tracking them since the start of the ACC regular season. I’m planning on documenting their stuff towards the end of the year.

    It’s too late for me to track pomeroy now for that entry. But one data point would be better than nothing.

    #116758

    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    i’m curious now.. if I get some time later i’ll run the numbers from Kenpom.

    Do it. I’m curious to see the comparison to teamrankings.com. I’ve been tracking them since the start of the ACC regular season. I’m planning on documenting their stuff towards the end of the year.

    It’s too late for me to track pomeroy now for that entry. But one data point would be better than nothing.

    will do.. i gotta run out for a bit but I’ll run it via Kenpom when i’m back

    #116759

    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    I fully expect yet another wholesale exodus out of the program this year, leaving a skeleton crew to return next year. And I would expect those that leave will do what others have done, that is to imply strongly that Gottfried was untruthful to them in recruiting and that he has mis-managed the team. It is inevitable.

    It is clear that Gottfried did not instill high expectations of the team and in individual players. His “cool jacket” comment should have come after the first couple of games when it was clear that this was a lackadaisical squad with no leadership on or beside the court.

    Then there is his long running philosophy the defense is an afterthought. No one expects NC State to be Tony Bennett’s UVA redux, but the standing around watching team after team after team take open shots is completely unacceptable. It shows a lack of effort, and a lack of a will to win.

    Given that these problems have existed for years, one can reasonably expect that another year or two won’t see any changes.

    Debbie Yow has got to make a choice: is she going to do her job, or is she going to continue to enjoy her working retirement and leave this problem to her replacement. Hiding behind “the next AD should choose their own coach” is another way of saying that she wants to collect a paycheck and shirk her responsibilities. And that too is unacceptable.

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