11/13/2014 at 4:10 PM #61244Alpha WolfKeymaster
Sitting at 5-5 and fifth in its division in the ACC, the NC State Wolfpack is no one’s idea of a powerful football team, or honestly, even a very good[See the full post at: Dave Doeren Really, Really Needs To Be Wake Forest]11/13/2014 at 4:37 PM #61245VaWolf82Keymaster
In other words, Doeren and his charges hold their future in their own hands.
Well said11/13/2014 at 6:15 PM #61248
”Doeren and his charges hold their future in their own hands.” Well said
Very well said.
Alpha also says, “(If we lose to Wake) the Carter-Finley faithful will again leave disappointed. Or more likely, angry.” I’ve never left a football game that we lost anything but disappointed. As I trudge my way through the parking lots, I see a lot of people who are also disappointed but rarely do I see people angry. Only after I read the game day threads do I find people angry. I overhear very little murmuring about who’s available to replace Doeren. And then it’s usually people who’ve have a snoot full. I pay little attention to drunks tailgating or on these boards on any subject.
I don’t know of DY firing anyone who has not had a fair chance to show they are the right ones for the job. Most of her early firings had long histories of unacceptable results. She is not a loose cannon, firing people who do not produce immediate results. I also don’t let her being a woman confuse me into thinking she doesn’t know what it takes to turn a ship as big as a D1 football program.
I don’t expect to lose to Wake and if we do my confidence in Doeren will take a hit but I will not be on the “fire Dave Doeren” bandwagon.11/13/2014 at 6:46 PM #61250TheAliasTrollParticipant
Umm we are 17 point favorites against Wake Forest. I won’t be angry, I’ll be embarrassed if we lose this one at home.11/13/2014 at 7:49 PM #61253WulfpackParticipant
This is just not a game he can afford to lose. The seat wouldn’t necessarily be hot but it would certainly be warm. I mean, you’d have to wonder what the freak is going on if we lost this one. There really would be no excuse for it. Wake is that bad.
I’m not sure what world some are in, but I feel like I pay close enough attention nationally to know going 1-15 in two years is not good. And in fact a good many places would have nothing of it. That’s probably not the case here as unfortunately we have become a lightweight on the gridiron, but dudes he sure wouldn’t survive a third with similar results. At the end of the day, no matter how much you or I or DY loves him, it IS most definitely a results based business.
Let’s hope we don’t get there. This is a big rung in the ladder.11/13/2014 at 9:11 PM #61257
but dudes he sure wouldn’t survive a third with similar results.
My mistake. I thought this was about the 2nd year. You have a good point about the 3rd year BUT this is about the 2nd year or did I read it wrong.11/13/2014 at 9:39 PM #61259WufpackerParticipant
Like Alpha said, to have some momentum going into year 3, it has to start now. Right or wrong, logical or not, DD could make his life much simpler (and more pleasant) in the 3rd year, by notching a couple more wins in the 2nd year.11/14/2014 at 6:34 AM #61268WulfpackParticipant
You have a good point about the 3rd year BUT this is about the 2nd year or did I read it wrong.
What he’s able to do these next two games, the last on the schedule, will have a direct impact on the tone for the off season heading into next yeear. Plus, the extra practice time would be a positive as well.11/14/2014 at 7:47 AM #61270LifeLongWolfParticipant
I wonder which WF running back is going to have a career day?11/14/2014 at 10:14 AM #61275Pack85EEParticipant
Recruiting is everything and so I really like what Doeren is doing on that front.
The last time I looked at the Depth chart, we had three senior starters on Offense and Defense each. The two deep was maybe double that. That’s a lot of talent coming back. Of course one could say that good news/bad news, same players, how good can they be. But I think most agree the youth we have are pretty good and should be much better next year. I may be wrong but I think we will have a solid team next year. My expectations will certainly be higher than this year. If we suck next year – Yes DD would be on the hot seat if not gone, but we should not suck. But he should not be on the hot seat this year.
As to Wake, the home team wins this every year. It should not have been that way as I thought we were the better team going to Winston. Yes we should win and better win and there would be no excuses. But it could happen. It would take more than the usual amount of NC State $#it. And that I think is the key, Brissett must not turn the ball over. He has to just let the offense move the ball and rely on our kickers Wake stops us. We can’t let Wake score through freak things (turnovers and big defensive breakdowns) where get behind and start pressing. Just doing that should be easy against Wake but …it happens. If we take care of business without mistakes, we cover the spread.11/14/2014 at 12:15 PM #61283TexpackParticipant
This is always the most important game of the year since, way out here in Texas, the neighbor over the back fence is a Wake graduate. I have been know to hang the Wolfpack flag over the fence after a win.11/14/2014 at 12:37 PM #61286MPParticipant
Umm we are 17 point favorites against Wake Forest. I won’t be angry, I’ll be embarrassed if we lose this one at home.
That says it all for me. More like “damn well better beat Wake Forest.”11/14/2014 at 1:18 PM #61290packof81Participant
Doeren gets at least 3 more years.
But it will be disappointing if WF wins.11/14/2014 at 1:53 PM #61293travelwolfParticipant
Yeah, we need to win this game… Maybe I have rose-colored glasses, but I see improvement in the team every game (even against GT). I don’t doubt that we’ll win this game unless our QB can’t play the entire game.
An improved team would win this game, so let’s hope it does.11/14/2014 at 1:55 PM #61294Pack85EEParticipant
Did anyone else notice that the 3rd quarter offense really sucked at least two games in a row. I seem to remember both games we had at least 3 3 and outs in a row. Against GT it destroyed any chance we had. We could do it against Wake and survive by just winning the punting battle, but I would like to see a turn around this week on that particular stat. Is the other team just making great halftime adjustments and we are not? Offense needs to be steady, productive and error free (or near error free).11/14/2014 at 11:40 PM #61372choppack1Participant
Tomorrow’s game is huge. A win and we build some momentum for the future and recruiting will be easier. It would be nice to go into chapel hill as the team that could play loose.11/15/2014 at 9:07 AM #61388
Tomorrow’s game is huge. A win and we build some momentum for the future and recruiting will be easier. It would be nice to go into chapel hill as the team that could play loose.
Great points. With the win we are bowl eligible, build momentum and could play the holes loose.
Maybe I’m just picky but IMNSHO there is a critical distinction between a win being huge and a need to win.11/15/2014 at 10:48 AM #61392bill.onthebeachParticipant
Really guys ? Really…#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!11/15/2014 at 12:16 PM #61398tjfoose1Participant
I was angry when leaving the Clemson game in which we couldn’t even line up on sides.
I was angry when leaving the Wake Forest game in WS the week before the Ohio State game. The game in which our dumbass OC would send out 4 and 5 receivers but none deeper than 12 yards. That is until we got down by 3 or 4 TDs. This with some kid named Philip Rivers at QB.
I was angry when leaving Dowdy Ficklen in what turned out to be MOC’s last game. That timeout fiasco at the end of the game was enough by itself, but unfortunately, there was plenty more.
It’s not often, but obvious dumbass coaching causes me to leave angry on occassion.
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