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    VaWolf82
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    Well that was a disappointing week. Not shocking, but still disappointing.
    [See the full post at: ACC Basketball Update (2-12)]

    #130509

    freshmanin83
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    Thanks again for the good info. Pack needs a good 2 win week which is a tall order imo with two road games. But Stranger Things and all that.

    #130513

    ryebread
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    I’m with you Va in that getting to 9-9 doesn’t just get us in because our OOC SOS is so dreadful. We have the top line games, but we need the overall RPI. Get two out of three (top line, RPI and overall schedule) and you’re likely in, but right now we are missing two out of the three.

    I knew this week would be tough because VT and UNC were both good teams that were still hungry. Syracuse is the same, and it is on the road against a zone. It’s going to take another top level effort like we had against Arizona, Duke or UNC in order to come out with a win.

    I hate to say it, but I think we need to beat Syracuse. Even if we were to beat BC, WF and GT (no guarantee), I don’t think we’re in if we lose the rest. We pretty much need no slip ups and at least 1 of 3 against Syracuse, FSU and Louisville. It’s doable, but it’d be best if we somehow got that road win (road is better for the RPI) against Syracuse. Pushing them out would also help us get in.

    #130516

    ryebread
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    This fan base may learn to appreciate the importance of the non-conference schedule this year. For far too long I’ve heard these arguments that the non-conference didn’t matter, just in in the ACC and it takes care of itself. The issue is that too big of a hole can be dug to climb out of. Sure, many of those years when I was talking about this (Sid, Gott), we didn’t end up with a winning record, so the point was moot.

    This year we’re on the bubble and would have really benefited from the benefit of a harder schedule to the numbers. It is not like this was unforeseen, as I’d kind of thought we’d have 2-3 non-conference losses and go .500 in the league. That’s right what we’re on track for.

    Today according to KenPom, we’re 344 out of 351 on the non-conference strength of schedule. The only solace is that fellow high-major bubble teams Mississippi State, FSU, VT, KState and Penn State are all at around 320+. It may come down to head to head within this group, and we’re 1-1. FSU will be huge.

    #130517

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    This fan base may learn to appreciate the importance of the non-conference schedule this year.

    Don’t be so sure. The Herbavores never did.

    For far too long I’ve heard these arguments that the non-conference didn’t matter, just in in the ACC and it takes care of itself.

    SYR’s resume from last year is the perfect counterpoint to this flawed line of thinking. Combine a horrible OOC SOS with one of the weakest ACC schedules and you end up with SYR’s resume from last year….something like 6 Top 50 wins and an RPI ranking near 80.

    #130518

    44rules
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    Good writeup. Thanks VA Wolf.

    Anybody here anything on Batts? Supposedly KK said it was a coach’s decision that he didn’t play. Heck, all we needed was a couple of stops to win that game. I think Batts could have done that with 10 minutes of playing time.

    Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. Mao Zedong

    #130519

    Pack1997
    Participant

    Thanks VA, as always your analysis is spot on! I think KK learns from the scheduling issue. At UL he didn’t have to worry about scheduling. At UNCW the only way you get in is to win your conference. So hopefully he learns that two or three of these games need ot be against better competition.

    44, I thought the same thing as you with Batts. His defense was one of the reasons we went on that run of wins, odd his PT just stopped.

    #130521

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    It looks like the Dance Card puts State right on the edge:

    #130522

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    So hopefully he learns that two or three of these games need ot be against better competition.

    It would be more productive to eliminate most/all of the 200+ games than to just change a few out for tougher teams.

    #130523

    bill.onthebeach
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    Hello Lynchburg!
    After last week, how are you doing up there twix and tween the ‘hoos and ‘Hokies ?

    Holding your own I’m sure, as they’re too busy talking to and about each other to pay State any attention…

    It looks like the Dance Card puts State right on the edge:

    Given the way we played last week… This says more about the teams theoretically below us than about us….

    We’re gonna play better this week unless Stranger Things happen….

    GO PACK!

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #130524

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    how are you doing up there twix and tween the ‘hoos and ‘Hokies ?

    Holding your own I’m sure, as they’re too busy talking to and about each other to pay State any attention…

    That’s pretty much always the case. Though both sides enjoy it when State can beat UNC or Duke.

    #130525

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^It could be worse…

    When I went down to Tallahassee in ’78… Everytime I told someone I graduated from NC State… they asked…
    “Oh! is that is Chapel Hill?”

    GO PACK!

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #130526

    Texpack
    Participant

    If we play the three home game the way we did Saturday in the loss we should go 2-1. That means we would need to go 2-1 on the road as well. If it was anybody other than WF and GT I’d say no way. We still have a chance. We could even go 3-0 at home, but I doubt it as well as UL and FSU normally defend.

    As for the value of the OOC SOS, Gott demonstrated that in his first season. He scheduled well for bubble situations.

    #130527

    Wulfpack
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    Better shape than I thought we’d be in, I am encouraged!

    #130528

    ryebread
    Participant

    The very best thing Gott did was schedule. Given the attention to detail given to the schedule, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if that wasn’t a delegated task. Isn’t that normally done by the Director of Basketball Operations?

    I suspect this year’s schedule was built with Keatts having no expectation of actually being on the bubble. The Battle of Atlantis was locked in as was Penn State, so it kind of made sense to schedule up a bunch of exhibition quality games to get the system in.

    We’ll learn more about Keatts’ scheduling philosophy next year. I think he’s confident enough to schedule well.

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