Wake Forest vs NC State Preview: Defining the Season

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FIRST, A DEBRIEF FROM LAST SATURDAY

NC State played a concerning game against Liberty last Saturday, as most everyone is aware.  Here at SFN, we provided some post game analysis on Sunday, but here are a few highlights:

-> The Wolfpack “forced” seven turnovers, but “forced” should be taken lightly.  Liberty did have a couple bad snaps that caused fumbles, though 4 of the turnovers were well-earned interceptions.  Seven turnovers ties a 1983 school record for turnovers per game.

-> Glennon was sacked four times, once resulting in a fumble that lead to a Liberty touchdown.  O’Brien and staff stated in the post-game that this wasn’t necessarily a bad thing as it helps toughen Glennon up.  Recall that Russell Wilson also suffered severe sacks in his 2008 season opener against South Carolina resulting in serving one game on the DL.

-> Two touchdowns were the result of special teams (82 yard punt return by TJ Graham) and the defense (Brian Slay 52 yard fumble return).  TJ Graham’s return for a touchdown was his career fourth.

-> Aside from rushing by quarterback Mike Brown, Liberty was held to just under 35 yards rushing on the night.  Mike Brown rushed a total of 77 yards.

-> NC State’s defense allowed Liberty just under 300 yards passing.  This continues Liberty’s streak from last season (they played only FCS opponents in 2010) of earning over 200 yards per game passing.

-> Observation: The secondary appears to still be “playing the receiver” and not playing the ball, at least not consistently.  The secondary did, however, manage to grab four interceptions.  It looks like the secondary is definitely better than in season past, but they are still a point of concern.  Look for Tenuta’s defensive line pressuring the offense and forcing the pass to remain the key to NC State’s defense.

HOW IS WAKE FOREST LOOKING?

If nothing else, many people respect O’Brien’s frank mannerisms and evaluations of players and teams, so his warning about Wake Forest should be heeded: this is “Grobe’s kind of team”… it’s experienced.

OFFENSE
We hear O’Brien’s warning, but we have to consider what Wake Forest is and what they have or haven’t accomplished.  Last season, Wake Forest finished the season with three wins and fielded a true-freshmen quarterback, Tanner Price.  This season, Price is said to be reasonably better and is expected to play against NC State this Saturday despite limping off the field in the fourth quarter against ‘Cuse.  In last Saturday’s overtime loss to Syracuse, Tanner scored 3 touchdowns amounting up to 289 yards, averaging just over 9 yards per completion.  He also managed to complete 18/31 passes over a better team than Liberty.  The moral of the story: the Wolfpack secondary needs to man-up and stop the pass.  The one saving grace for NC State is the fact that Wake lost two of their three top receivers, one to graduation and the other as a transfer to West Virginia.

Wake managed to pull down 80 yards of total rushing, profitting mostly on the short-game (3-4 yards per rush).  The Deacons suffer from the same problem as NC State regarding offensive lines which greatly reduces their ability to lead a ground game.  Fortunately for the Deacs, they return four starters to the line.  Despite the experience, they will need to improve on last season’s performance tremendously if they will withstand Tenuta’s blitzing schema.  Last season the Deacons’ offensive line allowed 2.2 sacks per game on average.

DEFENSE
Wake’s secondary is also returning from last season, adding experience to their defense, but the experience they add is from one of the worst D1-A secondaries in the division (allowing just under 240 yards in the air per game).  Against Syracuse, they allowed 178 yards and 3 touchdown passes (one 20 yarder and two short passes).  It’s hard to tell from the Syracuse game how efficiently the secondary is working, even on a “Wake Forest” type of level since last season Syracuse relied on close to a 55-45 split of passing to rushing yards.  Last Saturday, ‘Cuse won the game with a 60-40 split of passing to rushing yards, so the outcome is pretty consistent with how they like to play (in other words, Wake didn’t exactly “throw ‘Cuse off their gameplan”).

On the ground, they allowed 121 yards, though 114 of those were from one Syracuse player who racked up 53 yards in one play.  It’s worth noting that if you omit the ‘Cuse runningback’s one break-away play, he only averaged 2.5 yards per carry which is almost half of what he was averaging last season.  This might signal that Wake’s defensive line, lead by Kyle Wilber, is stiffening up against the run game and might explain the 5% change in the passing to rushing yards split described earlier.  Then again, 5% could just be the difference in the coach deciding he feels like running a slightly different offense.  Either way, I don’t predict Wake’s ground defense to be a huge problem.

SPECIAL TEAMS
I don’t have a lot to tell you other than Wake Forest attempted four field goals, making three of them including one 40 yarder.  On the other hand, their kicker, Newman, did miss one of his three extra points, so we all have that in common.  Wake’s ability to return kicks is less than stellar, averaging around 21 yards per return and an almost unnoticable return during punting.  The threat presented by Wake is in it’s scoring ability, not it’s returning (which is good news for NC State’s kicking team who pretty consistently let Liberty get up to the 40 yard line on kick-off returns).

THIS GAME MAY DEFINE THE SEASON

It’s not that Wake Forest is an intimidating opponent or would be some sort of marquee win, but it could be a watershed moment where NC State defines whether last Saturday’s performance was just a growing pain or if the improvement seen in the later minutes against Liberty were signs of things to come.

All eyes will be on Glennon as people attempt to “figure him out”.  We’ve already written an article explaining what we know now on Glennon compared to previous quarterbacks, but the fans want to see proof of what he can become.  If you look at the contest against Liberty, Glennon completed barely 50% of his passes for the first three quarters.  In the fourth quarter, Glennon completed 5/6 passes averaging almost 8 yards per attempt versus less than 5 yards per attempt for the first three quarters.  Glennon also scored his one touchdown pass of the night in the fourth.  I think we can all agree that if Glennon is completing 88% of his passes, we’ll all be pretty pleased with his results.

The secondary will also have a more respectable opponent in Wake Forest who attempted to lead an overtime victory over Syracuse in the air.  Fortunately, and as previously mentioned, Wake is without two of their best receivers which may help our ‘weak’ secondary and give them a ‘soft opponent’ to fine tune their skills.

This should prove a good game for our defensive line.  During the game against Liberty, the first quarter saw only one sack which is definitely not what I expected given the efficiency of the defense last year.  The loss of emotional leader Nate Irving is definitely a factor, but Tenuta’s strategy of overloading the pocket should have provided more aggressive results.  Brian Slay chalked up 2 sacks total in the game against Liberty and Teal, who is now on the DL from injuries sustained last Saturday, earned one sack.  Audie Cole earned the fourth sack of the day.  During the contest against Wake, look for more penetration through the weak Wake Forest center, Russell Nenon.

Should we win?  Of course we should.  Then again, that hasn’t stopped us from messing up things in the past.  I’m looking forward to seeing how Archer has worked with the secondary this week and how Bible has reworked his schema to play into the strengths of the new quarterback of the Wolfpack.

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24 Responses to Wake Forest vs NC State Preview: Defining the Season

  1. codebrown 09/07/2011 at 8:32 AM #

    When was the last time that we won in Winston-Salem? Like the mid 90’s? No way we win this game.

  2. NCSt8_05 09/07/2011 at 8:35 AM #

    We “should have won” in ’03, ’05, and ’09 but we didn’t. We need to bring our A game to win this year.

  3. TOBtime 09/07/2011 at 8:45 AM #

    ^Whatever.

    Key to this game is Glennon and how he handles the speed of the game. Based on the performance against Liberty Wake should bring pressure to cut his time in the pocket down. Force him to make his reads faster and hope to get to him some by gambling and overloading the line. If he can handle that we could have some big receiving yards this week. Open field guys like Palmer and Graham could shine. I don’t know what to think about our rushing yet other than I hope Mustafa gets better quickly. George Bryan better get his head out of his rear when he does get a ball thrown to him.

    How about Brian Slay! The guy stepped up when needed. I also look for Tenuta to bring the heat. No matter what they say Price is going to be gimpy on that sore knee and Wake may hold in an extra blocker to keep him from getting hit. As said in the article, we have to man up on the ball. The secondary has to feel pretty good after last week but it’s going to depend on whether Price gets to sit there and pick us apart or is running for his life.

  4. LRM 09/07/2011 at 8:45 AM #

    We last won in W-S in 2001; before that, 1995. And it’s been ugly.

  5. Plz2BStateFan 09/07/2011 at 9:07 AM #

    I am going to close my eyes and pray that Tenuta and Bible kept the looks basic for the Liberty game. It seemed to me that we were not blitzing like we were last year.

    We need to get a W in the worst way here because we need the South Alabama game to gel more for Cincy and GT(who, if they have a passing game, now becomes much scarier than last year).

    I think we can I think we can I think we can.

  6. tuckerdorm1983 09/07/2011 at 9:13 AM #

    What is the status of Wake’s QB? Is he hurt? Out of the game Saturday? Dinged up and will play? Does anybody know?

    I put Wake down as a W on my prediction for this year. Our first loss comes at Cinn. My gut says we win but by no more than a field goal. Defensive battle 17-14 Pack

  7. blpack 09/07/2011 at 9:24 AM #

    This was a big game when the schedule came out and still is. Road ACC wins are precious. We need to come out strong and set the tone. We struggled with them last year in the first half, but stopped messing around in the second. It is time to win over there.

  8. NCStatePride 09/07/2011 at 9:49 AM #

    tuckerdorm1983, if you actually read the article, a lot of these questions will be answered. From the section labelled “Offense”…

    “Last season, Wake Forest finished the season with three wins and fielded a true-freshmen quarterback, Tanner Price. This season, Price is said to be reasonably better and is expected to play against NC State this Saturday despite limping off the field in the fourth quarter against ‘Cuse.”

    —-

    As far as the last time we beat Wake at Wake, I knew it was in the ballpark of 10 years, but honestly I don’t even like talking about stats like that. IMHO, those types of stats are only relevant if the players focus on them and let it interfere with how they play.

  9. VaWolf82 09/07/2011 at 9:50 AM #

    State’s team has a lot of questions and a loss would certainly be a big step in defining State’s season. On the other hand, a win might not tell us all that much since there is no reason to think that WF ranks in the upper half of the ACC.

    The secondary this year may turn out to be at the mercy of pass rush (with good pass rush = good secondary). I’m also interested in seeing how much cushion State’s secondary gives the WF receivers on 3rd and 5+.

  10. Packfan28 09/07/2011 at 9:52 AM #

    “No way we win this game.”

    Nice. Hopefully the players and coaches don’t share your sentiment. I know I don’t. You are going to see a much improved Mike Glennon, and a blitzing Wolfpack defense that is going to wreak havoc on the Deacs.

  11. JasonP 09/07/2011 at 10:12 AM #

    Good write up. The running game will have to get established in the first half for State to have any chance this weekend. The offense will also have to take advantage of any TO’s taken by the defense instead of just punting it back to Wake.

    It’s going to take time of possession + points along with defensive front pressure to keep Price from carving up the secondary all day long. We sacked Liberty’s QB 4 times and he still threw for nearly 300 yards last week.

  12. newt 09/07/2011 at 10:46 AM #

    What mistakes did anybody see Glennon make in the Liberty game?

    I was at the game, and I saw 4 things in the passing game: 1) somebody came in almost untouched and smothered our QB 2) the receiver dropped the ball 3) the receiver caught the ball with nowhere to go, or 4) the Pack completed a pass for good yardage.

    The encouraging thing is that Glennon’s throws were on the money pretty much always. I think if we can protect a little better, and the receivers will run good routes and catch the ball, our passing game could be stellar.

    The one thing I saw Glennon do that might could change is maybe twice he lost more yards than necessary on a sack; he could have tucked the ball and gone down sooner. He probably would have avoided the one fumble too.

    So what I want to see at Wake is that we are able to run the ball of course, that Glennon has decent time to throw, and that the receivers break open and make the easy catch.

  13. redcanine 09/07/2011 at 10:47 AM #

    Wake is nothing without their QB. If our D can figure out how to knock him around (and we should) then we’ll be alright.

  14. newt 09/07/2011 at 10:50 AM #

    On defense, I do find our secondary play nerve-wracking, but the scheme produced four interceptions. I think we were conservative with our linebackers and blitzing because their QB had such good wheels.

  15. ryebread 09/07/2011 at 11:10 AM #

    I’d love for someone to analyze the results for Glennon whether he was under center or whether he was in the shotgun. I seem to remember that we spent the 4th quarter under center, and the offense moved the ball a lot better. The first quarter was spent almost entirely in the shotgun and we looked pathetic. Anyone want to verify that?

    As for the original post, I see Wake as a must win game. Win this and I think we can get to 8-4. Lose this, and my guess is our best is probably 7-5.

  16. newt 09/07/2011 at 11:21 AM #

    I had the same impression, ryebread, that we were better when Glennon was under center. Not sure if there’s a true cause/effect going on there. We also seemed better after we successfully ran the ball towards the side of the line from which the unfettered sacker had been arriving.

  17. StateFanfromSC 09/07/2011 at 12:54 PM #

    What are the chances that Brandon Barnes or Tony Creecy actually get to play. O’Brien kills me… he plays the backs that “pick up the blitz” and “make the smart play”…except I saw washington and underwood fumble a few times and let glennon get hit pretty hard in the backfield. Any rumors on why neither one of these guys can get on the field?

  18. packhammer 09/07/2011 at 2:26 PM #

    Just win. Our goal is to stay alive such that we can somehow get through FSU to the ACC Championship game. It all starts on Saturday. Our guys know this and they will play thier hearts out. Wolfpack wins 17-10.

  19. WestCoast 09/07/2011 at 4:04 PM #

    Coach O’Brien has to be working the hell out of this team after coming out flat Saturday. All the kinks will be worked out, Glennon will manage the game, and finally we will stop a pass over the middle!!!!! State wins 27-10. Aggressive I know, but Coach wasn’t happy with the performance Saturday for sure.

  20. redcanine 09/07/2011 at 5:59 PM #

    @ryebread-

    Our offense definately looked better with Glennon under center. I noticed a play or two where we showed 2 tight ends, and it slowed down the pass rush off the edges (if only for a moment). We should hope to see more vs wake.

    BTW, Underwood got ran down by the Liberty defender on the play that he fumbled. I thought he had more breakaway speed…should have been six.

  21. 3boys 09/07/2011 at 6:47 PM #

    Offense – establish the run early. Do not wait until 4th quarter. Run it down their throats and make them like it.

    Defence – BLITZ BLITZ BLITZ BLITZ !

  22. mak4dpak 09/07/2011 at 7:25 PM #

    We should have won the last game in WS, but in our final drive we ended our chances with an interception in the end zone, thrown by none other than RW. So give MG his chance, and if the rest of the team comes to play, we can end that 10 year losing skid in Groves Stadium. I have faith, and believe we will see an improvement over the Liberty game. Here’s to another win!

  23. TheAliasTroll 09/08/2011 at 1:48 PM #

    ***QUOTE**** I think we can all agree that if Glennon is completing 88% of his passes, we’ll all be pretty pleased with his results. ***QUOTE****

    I know this was likely said tongue in cheek (or at least I hope so), but statements like this are just setting yourself up for huge disappointment. The kid is starting his 2nd game. I don’t think it’s fair to him to hold him to such unrealistic standards. I can already hear the b!tching and moaning when we win by a TD and he’s only completed 55-60% of his passes.

    NCStatePride: If you read a comment like that and think it’s setting ourselves up for disappointment, I guess you also think it’s setting yourself up for disappointment to say ‘it would be nice to be a millionaire’. I don’t have the time or effort to explain the subtleties of sarcasm to you, but I don’t think anyone read that article thinking I was suggesting we have any chance above 0.00000001% of seeing Glennon make 88% completions. Why you would even make this kind of comment is beyond me unless you are hedging against people getting mad at Glennon which I haven’t seen a lot of after last week.

  24. TheAliasTroll 09/08/2011 at 1:59 PM #

    What I think shouldn’t get lost here is that NC State fans know first hand about crappy QB play, however, we’ve also twice been witness to the other extreme with Wilson and Rivers in a single decade. It’s quite possible that Glennon winds up somewhere in between. If that’s the case, I just hope our fans don’t throw the kid under the bus because he’s not putting up River’s like numbers.

    Edit: I know it’s not possible for any QB to have an 88% completion percent. But I’d caution against setting the bar too high for the kid, even if it was with hyperbole, because some readers/fans will take it to heart that he needs to be putting up gaudy numbers to be considered a good QB. It’s truly an unfortunate situation for him to be placed in to be filling Wilson’s shoes. The expectations on this kid are some of the highest for any NC State football player that I can remember.

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