Cautious optimism w/ Pack’s positive performance on Saturday [Updated 9/15]

State’s all-around play at South Florida was as sharp as their all-white road uniforms on Saturday, and we had some instant reaction posted here that includes some great commentary and discussion that I hope you appreciate as the differentiating factor for SFN out on the internet.

This comment taken from that entry provides some quick commentary on Saturday’s game as well as other tangential topics from Saturday:

We were ~ 3 pt favorites. I thought we’d win by about 4 if both teams played well. The only scenario that I envisioned more than a 14 point win was exactly what happened (got out ahead early and forced a bad passing USF team to throw). That was the best case scenario though, and we just hit my best case scenario. Therefor I was quite pleased.
My take aways:
– Taggart is a coach that we could have targeted, and I think that our hire was better.
– Skip left that program in shambles. I have thought and continue to think he jumped the shark at ECU.
– What Ruffin has done at ECU (big win @ VT) shows me that’s a school with some inherent advantages. A good coach can do very well there.
– That’s as complete a game as I’ve seen out of NC State since the RW years. That’s nothing against Glennon, but our defense tailed off hard and we had no running game with him at QB. It’s hard to be complete without a running game.
– USF has some speed here and there. They are a lot like us last year though in that they have no QB.
– We need to hold onto the ball on punts. I’d try Underwood there because he’s obviously fast and we need to get the ball in his hands.
– We played our third straight clean game from a penalty perspective. This is much improved.
– Yes, we beat a weaker team soundly, but I do think you can take something away from it. For a “major conference” team like that to be beaten so badly at home, they typically have turned it over. That really didn’t happen. This was just a methodical thrashing by moving the ball up and down the field and getting stops. That’s impressive.
– BC looked good against USC. Syracuse is quietly building too. Presbyterian and Wake are the only two games left where we’ll be heavily favored. We’re going to have to win some swing games (GT, UNC, BC, Syracuse) to hit 7-5 (where I thought we’d finish).

In Tampa, State’s balanced offense — 315 yards rushing and 274 yards passing — dictated the pace of the game. The Wolfpack had the ball a total of 38:49, ran a total of 86 plays and had 30 first downs.

Meanwhile, the defense was stifling. With three sacks and two interceptions, State held USF to only 10 points, eight first downs and 159 total yards, 75 of which came on a single busted play. USF also scored on a pick six against backup QB Garrett Leatham.

The final score was 49-17 but it wasn’t even that close.

USF is not a good team. But the most positive takeaway for State is that we jumped all over them early and then beat a bad team the way we should have.

Next up is Presbyterian at Carter-Finley, Saturday 6pm.

The following comment from the previously linked entry takes a more tepid view of Saturday but is hard to argue:

I know a lot aren’t going to like this but I think we learned less from this game than we did from GSU/ODU. (I’ll admit I didn’t see more than the first quarter due to the weather/satellite) I’m going back to the you can only take away negative when you play bad competition and USF may be one of the worst FBS teams there is this year. Remember they were beyond awful last year, they struggled to beat Western Carolina giving up tons of yards and points, they lost to Maryland at home after MD had 6 TO’s. My point is the close game against MD is the anomaly for an awful team, not an indicator of a potential decent team.
I wish I could have seen most of the game to see what mistakes State made that were carrying over from the other games this year. The few things I saw was mainly Burris stumbling to give up the first TD, Cherry not lining up on the line that negated a 40 yard run by Brissett before the end of the half, Cherry dropping the punt catch twice which led to a FG on the second one. MVS should be nicknamed Stonehands, he’s repeatedly dropped numerous easy passes that have hit his hands all year. (If I got some names wrong sorry).

The only positives you can really take away from this, in my opinion, are the intangibles: confidence (though it may be false confidence if the staff and players feel too good about what they did).

I’m happy for an easy win and having a quality QB again but I think USF showed it’s still as bad as they were last year and State showed just how bad you can be when you don’t have a QB, instead of thinking State showing they are better than we thought.

Consequently the game against Presbyterian will be more of the same.

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  • #56307
    StateFans
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    State’s all-around play at South Florida was as sharp as their all-white road uniforms. The balanced offense — 315 rushing, 274 passing — dictated t
    [See the full post at: All-Around Positive a Win at USF]

    #56318
    coyotejoe
    Participant

    Statistically speaking, it is always an outlier when my blood pressure stays low during a Pack win…

    #56320
    ruffles31
    Keymaster

    Another good game again in terms of discipline. There was the first holding call of the year in the 2nd half and the first pass interference of the year was called late in the 4th quarter.

    This was as complete a win as I have seen on the road in a long time. The last time State won by 32 points on the road against anyone was 2002 when the Pack destroyed Clemson on Thursday night 38-6 to go 9-0.

    #56321
    blpack
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    Lots of good things to pull from this game. Now to keep it going. Go 4-0 and then the season really starts.

    #56322
    travelwolf
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    My experience has taught me:
    1. look for improvement as the season progresses (big + here)
    2. blowing out a much weaker opponent is never a big +. It doesn’t mean anything more than our team’s ability is between the team we beat and the best team in NCAA football. I hate it when people read more into it. Even Les Robinson’s teams blew out directional schools… then ended up in the Les Robinson invitational tournament at the end of the season!

    #56324
    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    Agreed…look past the final score and into the way the team played.

    Offensive execution was crisp, our receivers were catching the ball and linemen were getting good run blocks.

    Defensively, we were making tackles with a lot fewer arm-tackles.

    Overall, the effort is there. The team came out and played with poise from the kickoff until late in the game when wholesale substitutions and lost focus let USF score.

    We may not be a 10-2 team, but we’re not playing like a 3-9 team either. Play like that in each conference game, plus stay healthy, and we’ve got a real chance of playing in a bowl and not one in Charlotte.

    #56326
    triadwolf
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    Good game from the standpoint that they played and executed well. I think this is a better team than last year, particularly offensively, but how much better is the question.

    One the most telling things this season is that Underwood was by far our best offensive option last year; this season he is a 5th or 6th option, if that. Perhaps there’s something else going on such as an injury we don’t know about, but assuming he’s healthy it really does show how bare the cupboard was last year.

    Although I’d seriously consider Underwood for returning punts after what Cherry showed this week.

    #56327
    packalum44
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    We were 2.5 point favorites. This was a huge win against a relatively equal opponent. Canada continues to have the offense clicking on all cylinders (though we haven’t played a top 100 team yet). He is living up to expectations built at Wisconsin.

    The largest difference in this game was the defense, who was embarrassed against 2 teams with inferior talent. Sure GA Tech was scared by GA Southern, but then ODU comes to town and scorches the D. The offense will have to win games for us and the D just needs to gradually improve.

    Hopefully we can make a crappy bowl so the recruiters won’t have an empty sales pitch.

    #56337
    lawful
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    Two points above that I picked up on and shows that some of us are being realistic:

    We may not be a 10-2 team, but we’re not playing like a 3-9 team either.

    Hopefully we can make a crappy bowl so the recruiters won’t have an empty sales pitch.

    Yep, just b/c we’re 3-0 doesn’t mean we’re any good yet. Let’s see an ACC road game first.

    #56340
    packbackr04
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    Agree. Cherry has lost his confidence returning punts. Put Underwood or Dayes back there and do it THIS week. Cherry has 5 TDS on the season IIRC, so he shouldn’t get his feelings hurt if we do it now. He knows hes an integral part of the O, he just wont be returning punts any longer

    #56346
    lawful
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    I see where we received 4 pts. in the USA Today poll.

    #56351
    PapaJohn
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    The first two words got it exactly right, “cautious optimism.”

    We are seeing week to week improvement, meaning positive influence by the coaching staff. That is encouraging for the program overall.

    I expect this week’s game to be more of the same, but still looking for quality of execution on a snap-by-snap basis.

    Still have no idea where that 6th win would come from to get us in a bowl. My guess is that if we get it, it will be a big upset and the highlight of this season.

    #56352
    Texpack
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    The first two words got it exactly right, “cautious optimism.”

    We are seeing week to week improvement, meaning positive influence by the coaching staff. That is encouraging for the program overall.

    I expect this week’s game to be more of the same, but still looking for quality of execution on a snap-by-snap basis.

    Still have no idea where that 6th win would come from to get us in a bowl. My guess is that if we get it, it will be a big upset and the highlight of this season.

    WF = Potential 5th Win
    Potential 6th Win comes from the following three games BC, GT, Syracuse
    If you play the common opponent game with GT you have to believe this is a toss-up. The BC game is in Raleigh so I can’t make the Eagles a prohibitive favorite in that one. Syracuse can be had as well.

    #56368
    ryebread
    Participant

    UNC is beatable as well. I think we can get to 7.

    #56380
    Classof89
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    ^^
    Other nice thing about Syracuse as a road opponent is that I think, like USF, their fan support has really fallen off in the last 10 years with their disappointing results. Bet it’s not anywhere near as loud in their as it was when that MOC team won on the surprise 2-pt. conversion in the season opener back in the day (which I think was our last trip there…). Plus the debacle at home last year was one of the “worst of the worst”, and I hope the players remember.

    #56390
    Greywolf
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    Plus the debacle at home last year was one of the “worst of the worst”, and I hope the players remember.

    Classof89, Why on earth would you want the players to remember?

    Just the other night I saw Nick Saban on 60 minutes. I just looked up as he was saying that he tells his players not watch the scoreboard, not to worry about anything but executing that particular play to the best of your ability. Of course WTF does he know?

    #56395
    Greywolf
    Participant

    Hopefully we can make a crappy bowl so the recruiters won’t have an empty sales pitch.

    Considering the source that’s about what I’d expect. News flash, Doeren and his recruiters aren’t going into homes and making sales pitches, and most certainly they aren’t ‘selling’ bowl trips. Dig up the video of Doeren talking about the families of the recruits. We are loaded with fine young men who honor their parents and grandparents, not a bunch who want to get off and embarrass themselves, the team and the school. There’s a lot going on at Alabama besides going to great bowl games. That’s backwards. Great bowls and NC’s are the result of something, not the cause.

    I don’t know what Doeren and his coaches have going on but “selling young men on coming to our school because we are going to the ________________ bowl this year ain’t it. I will say this, the players seem happier than any I have EVER seen. They are enthusiastic, excited, and they sure aren’t acting like a team that finished 3-9 and picked to finish nearly last in the conference this year.

    About Cherry and his returning punts. Doeren will not throw him under the bus. Count on this: he will treat Cherry like family. If he does put in another punt returner, it will be after he has a conversation with Cherry. It’s not Cherry I worry about, it’s his teammates who consider him “family” and will quietly revolt over an high-handed treatment like is being suggested in this thread.

    Doeren made a man out of Shad. I trust Doeren to be great with Cherry.

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