The Abyss 34, State 27 (Sunday 10am Update)

News & Observer:

“They had more energy than we did,” O’Brien said. “You can’t do that, especially on the road in a conference game. We have to look for leadership. We certainly haven’t gotten any out of anybody on this football team.”

You can say that again, coach. Keep in mind, leadership starts at the top.


That went about as well as many of us expected. The losing in Winston-Salem (1997, ’99, ’03-’11) will continue at least until 2013; there are students that were in elementary school the last time State won in Winston. Once again, Jim Grobe outcoached TOB and Wake Forest was the better team.

Stat of the Day: TOB is now 0-11 on the road against Atlantic Division opponents. Wolfpack Unlimited!

Box Score

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179 Responses to The Abyss 34, State 27 (Sunday 10am Update)

  1. LRM 09/10/2011 at 6:28 PM #

    Glennon’s accuracy has room for improvement.

  2. wolfpacker 09/10/2011 at 6:31 PM #

    Until you get rid of Mike Archer, the defense will suck.

    TOB and staff was once again OUT-COACHED!

    Why they didn’t go into a fast-paced offense is just downright mind-boggling. The issue is the coaching staff, once again they got out-coached typical for the Wolfpack

  3. Ashman87 09/10/2011 at 6:34 PM #

    I mean, there were flashes of what we could be, but then again, we struggled today.

  4. SaccoV 09/10/2011 at 6:35 PM #

    I just returned from this. I left during the 3rd Quarter. I was glad to see us come back and make a game out of it, but it’s very difficult NOT to blame this game on Archer, Tenuta and our defense. We gave up 260+ passing yards in the 1st half alone. Other than the sweep right by Harris after the Glennon INT and the run Harris had to end the game, Harris didn’t hurt us at all. How is it that you make a team one-dimensional, and still get it handed to you, knowing what they’re going to do? Blitzing was only effective in the 3rd quarter. Amerson was getting torched. We got killed on five drag routes in the first half, three of which were for 3rd down conversions. Again, our defense, including the coaching staff, looked like a 1-AA team today.

  5. old13 09/10/2011 at 6:38 PM #

    DY needs to take a close look at TOB & Co. at the end of the season. This staff is built from the top down for good but never great. D was terrible. Leaving two TOs on the field at the end is inexcusable!!! If “Refuse to Acept the Status Quo” is truly her MO, this is completely substandard! Otherwise it’s NCSU as usual and I’ll quietly bow out.

  6. tuckerdorm1983 09/10/2011 at 6:38 PM #

    on a brighter note the the kicking game looked much better

  7. ncsu05mit10 09/10/2011 at 6:38 PM #

    How much longer can TOB stand behind Mike Archer?

  8. Rick 09/10/2011 at 6:41 PM #

    TOB did not learn from the Clemson.

    4 out of 5 losing seasons.

    Fear the Ginger!!

  9. TheAliasTroll 09/10/2011 at 6:42 PM #

    How many passes were completed against our defense with no defender within 10 yards of the receiver? It seemed like at least 2-3 times per WF possession. How does that even happen?

  10. Hamlet 09/10/2011 at 6:43 PM #

    It is time to realize that there is no corner to turn for us. We are who we thought we were. Every. Single. Season.

  11. Avid109 09/10/2011 at 6:43 PM #

    Maybe TOB got his WTF game out of his system early this year….

  12. NCStatePride 09/10/2011 at 6:45 PM #

    Last season, many people took the heat off the defense because (a) we were winning games so the general public was happy to accept the defense, especially with stars like Nate Irving and (b) the defensive line was doing extremely well with the addition of John Tenuta to the staff. My two cents (not to pat myself on the back) has been that the defense actually hadn’t “improved”, we simply added a defensive line coach that was making the secondary appear better. In other words, the secondary of 2010 wasn’t much better than 2009; their performance only seemed better because the line was putting pressure on our opponent’s offense. After this game, it seems more obvious that, indeed, the secondary from 2009 is still here in 2011.

    Why the line was acting so poorly is a mystery to me, but I suspect it is the loss of leaders like Teal and Sweezy. Still, even though we lost two players, all we’ve heard this year is how “deep” we are. Today, we saw otherwise.

    Everyone needs to chill the —- down about Glennon. He was completing somewhere around 60% of his passes which isn’t terrible. The only problem I have with Glennon (and it’s a massive problem) is that he locks in on receivers. Is that an experience thing? I don’t think so, but you’ll know real fast if he keeps throwing to receivers who are OBVIOUSLY not open.

    Glennon’s performance was not helped by our terrible offensive line. Glennon had very, very little coverage. The times he did have coverage, he did well. What is so frustrating is that a hallmark of O’Brien’s teams has been these outstanding quarterbacks he is able to train behind a solid offensive line. It’s year five… five. I’m looking around for these amazing offensive tools that “O’Brien is a proven winner with”, and I don’t see them.

    Questions that need to be answered…
    1) Why is our offensive line still TERRIBLE?
    2) Why do we always run the exact same ‘up the middle’ play on every single first down?
    3) What the Hell gives you the right to make our players, who were exhausted running an amazing comeback, stand on the field for 50 seconds while you sit on two timeouts and simply “give up”?!?!

  13. wolfpacker 09/10/2011 at 6:48 PM #

    Avid, I seriously DOUBT IT. The staff is NOT GOOD, they constantly get out-coached and it doesn’t take much. Come out strong and quick and we look like we are sleeping. The COACHING STAFF IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

    Can someone please tell me why we didn’t go to a hurry up offense in the 3rd quarter and wear the wf defense down? There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE!

  14. camel77 09/10/2011 at 6:52 PM #

    Please!!! Let’s not start fire the coach this early in the season. Let’s see how the season play out.

  15. packfanfornow 09/10/2011 at 6:52 PM #

    All I care about is TOB can beat the Heels.

  16. jafrazie 09/10/2011 at 6:54 PM #

    Charles Barkley would say?


  17. MickQ 09/10/2011 at 6:54 PM #

    What more is there to say? Cow College still exists. Not a football school by any stretch of the imagination. TOB was outcoached again (by WF, of all schools). And, Glennon has lived so long in the shadow of RW. You can’t blame him. He was never introduced to the flow.

    DY, please take a look at this program. TOB is stale. The offense is stale. The D had to pull one out of their _ss against Lliberty. Long season ahead.

  18. LRM 09/10/2011 at 6:54 PM #

    Many — I want to say most, but can’t support it — of Glennon’s passes were way behind receivers and a few too many hit defenders. He also doesn’t seem to have any touch on his passes. Sure, he was rushed some, but what the hell good is a QB that can’t execute when he’s under pressure?

    That team today doesn’t have many more wins in it this season, so let’s hope all these issues get corrected quickly.

  19. NCStatePride 09/10/2011 at 6:55 PM #

    Camel77, it may be early this season but we’ve had 4 years prior to assess how Tom runs a program. Camel, this maybe be Glennon’s second game, so he has an excuse. What is O’Brien’s excuse?

  20. MickQ 09/10/2011 at 6:58 PM #

    NCStatePride, you are on the mark. Well said.

  21. TLeo 09/10/2011 at 6:58 PM #

    Outcoached and outplayed again by a team we should beat easily. Yow needs to chew some butts on the staff and let it be very clear that unless there is some drastic improvement RIGHT AWAY they need to plan on job hunting for next season. Archer’s defense sucks again as usual and offensive play calling predictable as usual.

  22. bTHEredterror 09/10/2011 at 6:59 PM #

    The secondary is still last year’s secondary. That is to say they are okay, but not great and need some pressure to make them better. The problem is no one is covering anyone for 5 seconds. Our D-line is punchless. And Tenuta’s blitz packages are on film now and teams will take Wake’s approach and max protect to give their QB some time.

    They run Iso on first down a lot because Wake had a few problems with it, and it helped get Glennon ahead of the sticks. I agree with the sentiment that they never ran play action off the Iso or threw a wrinkle to steal some yards.

    Look, Grobe and his crew have made a living off of outcoaching people. They will bite a couple more of our conference brethren before this year ends.

    And that “worst BCS conference team” you speak of gotohe11, went to a bowl LY and is better than you think. I like how I’m the negative one for stating an opinion, being right, and supporting my team and believing it is a small bump in the road, but all these chicken littles come out the woodwork after acorn hit their head.

  23. LRM 09/10/2011 at 7:01 PM #

    I just don’t understand why so many folks think we should’ve walked all over Wake today; that was a common theme this week. For the past decade they’ve been a better-coached team and a better all-around program than us.

    Maybe TGW can justify punting at midfield down two scores late in the 4th, but it’s wholly unacceptable that he allowed the game to end, down one score, on defense, with timeouts remaining.

    That’s not exactly the attitude that opens up checkbooks.

  24. MickQ 09/10/2011 at 7:03 PM #

    LRM…but we have the Faaa Cilities!!!

  25. Plz2BStateFan 09/10/2011 at 7:03 PM #

    “NC State entered this season trying to build upon last year’s nine wins. However, this game already put them behind the Deacs in the Atlantic Division race, and coach Tom O’Brien dropped to 0-11 against division opponents on the road. “

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