Technician has it backwards, mistake-ridden, and wrong

Ahh…to be young, idealistic, and inexperienced. I don’t hold it against them. I’ve recognized the issue with student editorials and journalism even when I was a student.

Nonetheless, we have to highlight this viewpoint from Technician that “Poor attendance equals poor performance”.

Fact: After their game Sunday, Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski was asked about scheduling and blamed lackluster attendance on having Sunday games versus Saturday games. Ken Tysiac commented on Coach K’s observation and pointed out that N.C. State should be used to low attendance at their games.

Opinion: There are things that can be done cooperatively by the RBC Center and N.C. State Athletics Department to increase attendance at men’s basketball games. Improving the attendance for these games can improve the endowment, fan moral and possibly build up the team for a win

Before I get going here… can any SFN community members spend some time teaching us about the “morals” of fans? Exactly what is this “fan moral” of which Technician speaks?

Now…to the obvious ‘backwardization’ of Technician’s chicken and egg position that just doesn’t equate in any way, shape or form.

NC State has ranked amongst the Top 25 in attendance for every year since the RBC Center opened in 1999. How has that ‘fan support’ translated into wins over that period? I’ll answer that question for you — NC State has generally performed the WORST of the entire subset of schools that have generally ranked in the Top 25 of attendance over the last decade.

So…if we have had great attendance for an entire decade; yet have failed to win more while we have had that great attendance…how can the conclusion be made that we need more great attendance so that we can win more?

How long would it have taken Technician to try to do a little research and apply some facts and data to support their ‘opinion’? On one hand, it is sad and scary that this level of ‘analysis’ is coming from our college kids. On the other hand, if these kids really want permanent roles in the media then they are definitely well on their way to fitting in perfectly. (Must read)

Obviously, the headline and the position of the view should be, “Poor performance equals poor attendance”…and the very fact that we are having to blog this entry means that “Poor analysis equals poor editorial”.

As a parting shot…the following quote came from an NC State message board discussing this topic:

Picked up the school paper today. They can’t even get the major headline to the sports section right. It says “Wolfpack upsets rival UNC, 99-72″. They may be trying, but they are just not very good. How you do report the score wrong? That’s the most important thing in sports reporting.

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36 Responses to Technician has it backwards, mistake-ridden, and wrong

  1. wufpup76 02/23/2011 at 9:20 AM #

    It’s the fans’ fault.

    Seth Davis is right. Fire the fans.

  2. VaWolf82 02/23/2011 at 9:30 AM #

    You could easily have extended this observation to the constant message board mantra about Reynold’s. There are people that believe State would win more games if they still played in Reynolds.

  3. tractor57 02/23/2011 at 9:42 AM #

    So sorry but it isn’t the attendance that is causing the losses.
    Moving to the RBC isn’t the issue either. Agreed the home court frenzy is a help BUT the lack of success is on the team and the coaches.

  4. Gowolves 02/23/2011 at 9:46 AM #

    Yeah when I read this I couldn’t believe it. Don’t these kids have faculty advisors on the Tech. Really incompetent work!

  5. baxter 02/23/2011 at 9:48 AM #

    I believe one time the heading to an article said “insert title here” or something to that regard. I copy edited and wrote occasional sport pieces there, and it was a disaster.

  6. Wolfpac4life 02/23/2011 at 9:58 AM #

    The Tech really is an awful paper, no offense to anyone here that may write for it. I have a newswriting professor here at NCSU who literally uses the Tech for examples of what NOT to do. Its obvious that most writers for the Tech don’t research, don’t edit their work, and don’t take the time to actually formulate original ideas. What a shame!

  7. paintball79 02/23/2011 at 10:07 AM #

    you know, I would love to go to more games and support the pack weather they are having a good or bad season but what makes it hard is when you try to buy tickets and the only place to find them is stubhub or some rip off website like them. sure you can go to and buy them if you want to sit in the 300 section and use binoculars to see the game. yet hundreds of “good” seats are empty EVERYTIME I go to the R.B.C. It’s ashame that N.C. State allows this to happen. Upgrade some people if the Alumi isnt using those seats and quit allowing the website to buy up 45.00 dollar tickets and try to sell them for double or triple the price !!! Make it easier for Fans to go and support the Pack and maybe you will have better results !

  8. reanalyst 02/23/2011 at 10:19 AM #

    As a daily reader of Statefansnation I’m surprised to read you criticizing another website for a spelling error.

  9. gotncstate 02/23/2011 at 10:19 AM #

    A perfect example of writers/journalists not doing ANY research. They get a thought in their head $ run run run with it.

    This is why this site & it’s writers are GREAT! They take the time to research the topic, & display the Facts.

    Keep up the great work SFN!

  10. Prowling Woofie 02/23/2011 at 10:19 AM #

    I’ve got news for the student-writers at The Technician: as a husband and father of two, trying to walk the financial tightrope of raising and providing for a family in these trying economic times (including paying college tuition for one child), until the NC State Men’s basketball program either offers a better product, or significantly lowers the price of a ticket to see the at-present level of embarrassment, I won’t spend my hard-earned money attending games. Given the decades of suck that we fans have endured, State will have to earn me back as a paying customer.

    If you patronize a local restaurant that consistently serves bad food at an exhorbitant price, and you get lousy service on the side, even after complaining to the management, how many times do you continue visiting that restaurant ?

  11. Homeboy 02/23/2011 at 10:20 AM #

    that’s what happens when you ask engineering majors to write a coherent paragraph.

  12. 87stategrad 02/23/2011 at 10:30 AM #

    Not a very logical statement. Sure, a good crowd can help to charge up a team at the right time, but how can anyone think that the size of the crowd affects the overall win-loss record? Obviously, give the fans something to get excited about, and the crowds will come.

    On the other hand, I am one of those Die-hard Wolfpack fans that will support the team no matter what. I shell out the bucks to get season tickets in Lifetime seats in a great location. I have only missed one home game this season, and that is because I was too sick. But some good friends filled my seats. Whenever I can’t go to a game, I always give my tickets to someone that I know will go to the game and enjoy it. Most of the seats in the lower level are sold out, so any empty seats that you see are people who have decided for whatever reason that they have better things to do. It would be good if the ticket holders would make a point of getting the tickets to someone who will use them. But, it goes back to the same point, give the fans something to get excited about, and the seats will be filled. Obviously.

  13. TheAliasTroll 02/23/2011 at 11:12 AM #

    why keep coming back when your heart gets broken every time

  14. CylonWolf 02/23/2011 at 11:13 AM #

    “NC State has ranked amongst the Top 25 in attendance for every year since the RBC Center opened in 1999.”

    We have a big arena with more seats, so of course we rank high in total attendance. If this ranking was based on percentage filled, we wouldnt even crack the top 100…and thats WITH the inflated attendance numbers. We have ACC games where the building is 2/3rds full at best. Now, Tysiac grouping us with BC and Miami isnt fair; but neither is pulling out that Top 25 attendance gem.

    The Technician article isnt going to win any Pulitzers, but Ill applaud them for not using that same crap statistic weve heard over and over, and instead basing their article on what is easily observable to anyone in attendance at a mens basketball game. Why is the hammer being thrown at the Technician for the supposed lack of fact checking, yet no one even questions a statistic that is very questionable to anyone who has been to a mens game in the RBC Center?

    As for the main point of the article, it works both ways: you cant expect great attendance when your team isnt very good, but you cant necessarily expect a great performance by the team if no one shows up.

  15. TheAliasTroll 02/23/2011 at 11:27 AM #

    “but you cant necessarily expect a great performance by the team if no one shows up.”

    Tell that to the Atlanta Hawks, Tampa Bay Rays, Miami Hurricanes (football), New Orleans Hornets, etc, etc, etc

    We’ve been cumulative last place in the ACC for 5 years. That’s not the fans fault.

    The phrase “winning cures all” has been thrown around a lot, and is applicable here as well.

  16. El Lobo Loco! 02/23/2011 at 11:28 AM #

    The Wufpack does not play in empty arenas and is not a winner…. whoever wrote this needs to go to a couple of classes of binary math!

  17. eas 02/23/2011 at 11:30 AM #

    Prowling Woofie – I couldn’t agree more your summary. What even makes it worse for me is I asked my 6 year old daughter about 2 weeks ago(who happens to be more of a Wolfpack fan than my Son) if she wanted to go to the Wolfpack game on Saturday? Her exact response:

    “UHHH not really Daddy, the Wolfpack is really bad at BB. Can we go ahead and get tickets for football since they are good at FB?”

    I was at a loss for words considering she normally cannot wait to put her Wolfpack cheerleading uniform on for the game.

  18. beavis214 02/23/2011 at 11:31 AM #

    We dont go because we get tired of seeing are team lose and not play with heart and effort. Going to the RBC for Wolfpack Basketball is like Chopping Wood.It sucks.
    I hope OBrien schedules better in the future cause we just dumped our season tickets because who wants to pay to see little league teams in CF????

  19. Wolfy__79 02/23/2011 at 12:02 PM #

    despite the capacity of the rbc.. there are plenty of nc state fans going to the games according to avg overall attendance has us up there with the likes of duke unc and md. although we suck, people still go. it’s not the fan’s fault… that just tells me the students are really reaching for answers at this point! personally i’ve gone way out of my way to see nc state.. even this year took a drive to see the pack in greensboro.

    i will attend this year’s football games just as i’ve done in the past. sure i’d like to see a more powerful slate of home games but that’s not going to happen every year. carter finley will be full almost every game..

  20. VaWolf82 02/23/2011 at 12:08 PM #

    We have a big arena with more seats, so of course we rank high in total attendance

    Say what????

    Just having a large arena guarantees nothing. State ranks in the Top 25 because people are BUYING tickets IN SPITE of the product put out on the court.

  21. rtpack24 02/23/2011 at 12:09 PM #

    Considering when league play starts in the last few years we win less than 30% of the time, I think attendance has been good. Of course it would be nice to have it packed with screaming fans but you do have to win at some point. And when we built an off campus facility it greatly effects the number of students attending the games.

  22. Wolfy__79 02/23/2011 at 12:13 PM #

    what is about cameron or the smith center or at wisconsin.. even at minnesota that makes them a tough environment?

    it’s not just that the seats are full! you have to also believe in the outcome!! for those of you who haven’t even viewed the power of what WOLFPACK basketball should look like on tv.. please do not subscribe to anything that has happened in the past 20 years. there’s no good reference there.

    it’s a shared relationship! the fans are ready willing and able at nc state. hell, alot of us still participate in going to these barnyards whippings on pride alone. the coach is a key component in creating that environment. the fans are doing there part at nc state.. and yes, especially those who aren’t attending the barnyard whippings! i’d love to see the return of the hostile nc state environment.. which has nothing to do whether it’s at reynolds or rbc!!

  23. Wolfy__79 02/23/2011 at 12:18 PM #

    i personally would love to see more students at these games. when i was a student, i would have been happy to sit anywhere in the rbc… but that isn’t really the problem…

    ^the coach also has to build an environment!! the fans are there, despite getting a swift kick to the balls at every turn…

  24. BassPacker 02/23/2011 at 1:00 PM #

    Its all about winning if you want to fill the RBC. IMO basketball is so different from football, its more about the game outcome than with football. Without some excitment around the basketball team and results, its just isn’t worth the price.

    Football on the other hand is more an event within the game. You have tailgating which provides more gameday socializing and interaction with other fans, including opposing teams. There is also the Family Fan Zone at football. I have LTR seating and never fail to get season tickets. Football games are something my family plans its week around months before the game.

    Basketball you basically drive up, park in a lot and go sit down, hopefully to be entertained and leave with pride for the team. The product of the court has to merit the cost and effort for me, it has not in along time.

  25. PackerInRussia 02/23/2011 at 1:11 PM #

    “There are things that can be done cooperatively by the RBC Center and N.C. State Athletics Department to increase attendance at men’s basketball games.”

    Is this just a thinly masked request for The Piano Juggler to make a halftime appearance?

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