ACC BB – Preseason Summary

Normally I kick back on New Year’s Day, watch football, and contemplate the meaning of life; which for the next several months is better known as the RPI Ranking. However, an ugly stomach bug killed any desire for blogging, and hence my late entry to start the basketball season.

In round numbers, the OOC games comprise roughly 40% of the regular season schedule. So while there is a lot of basketball left to play and there are plenty of questions left to answer, we do know a few things and it’s nice to summarize those things that we do know and highlight those things that are worth watching for as the season unfolds.

So let’s start with that most misunderstood and maligned calculation of all time – the Rating Percentage Index and more importantly, the RPI RANKING.

Random Observations

Top 50 wins are highlighted because of their importance in picking through the Bubble region for the last teams to make the NCAAT.

For new readers we use RPI rankings 1-40 as “IN” and 41-75 as “Bubble”. As the season winds down, the ACC results will also be considered because the Selection Committee has shown their disdain for teams that finish below 0.500 in conference play.

It’s quite a bizzaro universe when FSU and Clemson lead the ACC in Top-50 wins.

11 of 15 ACC teams in the RPI Top 40 have to be a record (at least for the ACC). While there might be enough wins for this many teams to keep a high RPI ranking, I’m not going to hold my breath.

NC State and WF are my picks as the first two teams who have had high rankings throughout December to stumble downward. (Obviously a VT loss in Raleigh on Wed would likely drop them back to the Bubble.) Neither State nor WF has a top 50 win and State has looked bad in every game against decent competition.

One nice thing about waiting to do the first entry is that Saturday’s results moved ND (road win at Pitt) and VT (shellacking of Duke) from the Bubble to IN.

At first glance, it would seem to be surprising that UNC has the 40th ranked OOC SOS while playing only one Top-50 team (Kentucky). However, this falls perfectly in line with what we’ve been saying for years: You don’t have to play the best OOC teams to improve your SOS. Just eliminate the real dogs from your schedule. For reference, UNC only played three OOC teams ranked 150+.

Clemson has dramatically improved their OOC SOS for the first time in a while.  VT and Miami have questionable OOC SOS which we will keep an eye on as the season unfolds (if their results warrant).

State’s OOC SOS seems high for the lackluster group of teams played. But it is what it is. However, the OOC SOS can be prone to huge swings between now and Selection Sunday:

 

During the Sendek and Lowe years, I used to start the season with a diatribe on the stupidity of scheduling a weak OOC schedule. But that hasn’t been an issue with Gott:

I restarted the averages after Gott was hired. While that’s not necessarily fair to anyone else, who cares? Here’s what we used to see:

I just realized that I haven’t heard recently from all of those State fans who used to claim that OOC SOS was just a matter of luck. Oh well, I can’t say that they’re missed.

NC STATE ACC SCHEDULE ANALYSIS

Chronologically, here’s State’s Schedule:

Notes:

I hate Monday games so I highlighted State’s only one.

State’s mid-season break is shown with the gap between Louisville and Duke.

State starts the year with three of four on the road. Not a great schedule for a team with so many new pieces. Just to be fair(?), State also ends the year with two of three on the road. All in all, not a good split.

State has three sets of back-to-back road games. But in each instance, one of the road games is in NC, so not a horrible setup. The toughest set of back-to-back road games is probably Louisville/Duke so it’s nice to have State’s break show up between those two games.

Ending the year with Clemson…..really?

I hope that most people know that State plays UNC and WF twice each year. This year’s two other home/home opponents are GT and Miami. Which is a nice segue into the next breakdown of State’s schedule:

ACC SCHEDULE DIFFICULTY

 

For the last several years, I’ve ranked the ACC schedules based on the four home/away opponents of each team. It’s not a perfect system, but it doesn’t suck either. For my money, it looks like State’s schedule difficulty will hinge on how good/bad WF and Miami turn out to be.

In general, your best chance at an upset would come if you play your toughest opponents at home. But based on today’s info, State doesn’t look to have a good split between the Home and Away opponents.

 

SUMMARY ON NC STATE

State didn’t have many chances to notch a note-worthy win in the OOC schedule and certainly didn’t get one. (St Joe’s at #60 is State’s best win to date). On the other hand, State didn’t dig any holes since they had a decent OOC schedule (based on RPI – not watchability) and no embarrassing losses. So as normal, State’s chances of getting an at-large bid are all tied to the conference results.

I read back through several years’ worth of my opening basketball entries and found a comment that I found interesting (name withheld to protect the guilty):

Most long time Pack supporters such as myself will tell you they share a similar “hopeful” feeling at the start of every season. But, by season’s end, we collectively are reminded that, in fact, hope is indeed a bitch.

Hopefully, this will turn out to be just my normal pessimism. But I always say that the difference between an optimist and a pessimist is experience. So I’ll need to see some of the wild optimism on message boards turn into impressive performances on the court before I change my mind. The team that got hammered by Creighton, Illinois, and Miami will not make the NCAAT. Let’s hope that the horrible version of the Pack gets replaced soon.

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  • #113722
    McCallum
    Participant

    5-11 in conference

    Takers?

    McCallum

    #113723
    Gowolves
    Participant

    5-11 in conference

    Takers?

    McCallum

    I’ll take it. Name your price.

    #113725
    McCallum
    Participant

    $50

    Since I’m betting against State I’ll lose but I like the action.

    McCallum

    #113726
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    For one thing, we play 18 fixtures, do we not??

    5-13, 6-12, 7-11…any of those should be a fireable offense.

    #113727
    choppack1
    Participant

    I imagine that sight uses a rolling metric – so it’s probably using all of our data – which is only fair.

    Our kenpom stinks because we have had lots of close wins (moreso in the first few weeks of the season) and when we’ve lost it hasnt been pretty. In addition, our defensive stats are mediocre, so they drag us down.

    A few more nights like the last one and we will be fine. I don’t like to harp on missing players because that happens and can happen at any time. We have good depth, but there are a couple of players that if we lost we would definitely miss the tourney.

    Looking forward to UNC – Ch game. Actually, I shouldn’t. I will blow a gasket and think and possibly say things that aren’t good. Put another way, if every time I drank a few beers I reacted like I do to the site of those Heels, I would have either had to stop drinking, been put in jail, or died of a heart attack.

    #113728
    rthomas44
    Participant

    I remember that Gott won in the hole dome maybe 2 years ago. Les actually won there also.

    #113729
    Gowolves
    Participant

    Ok I’m in. I will even give you a chance to adjust the record since you don’t have a clue of how many conference games the Pack will play. Give me a corrected guess and I will gladly put $50 if it somewhat correlates to the original proclamation.

    I also want something in return. I don’t want your $$. Really don’t need it. If I win you have to proclaim that your knowledge on NCSU sports is non existent. That you will stop making bombastic statements just to troll people. You will not post on anything sports related unless it’s insightful and has some validity. None of these comments where you let us know what you are about to drink or eat for dinner. Ok, no posting for two weeks. That’s the only way to be sure there are no grey areas. The last two sentences is the agreement. This will be acknowledged by you by starting a thread that acknowledges the above. This will begin just after the record surpasses what you predicted. The thread will state “I know nothing and most people don’t care what I do”.

    If you win I will start a thread that says you are all knowing and I paid you $50 bucks for your advanced knowledge.

    Are you in?

    #113731
    McCallum
    Participant

    In risking the chance to derail my satire as critique of the endless stupidity found in west Raleigh I’m not sure if I can take your bet.

    Ok I’m in. I will even give you a chance to adjust the record since you don’t have a clue of how many conference games the Pack will play. Give me a corrected guess and I will gladly put $50 if it somewhat correlates to the original proclamation.

    Part of the point in calling for 5-11 was to outline the general aparty toward all things State. Do it right, field winners and people notice. Play the endless circle jerk known as the athletic department at State and even graduates of the school don’t know(and mainly don’t care) how much you play.

    I also want something in return. I don’t want your $$. Really don’t need it. If I win you have to proclaim that your knowledge on NCSU sports is non existent. That you will stop making bombastic statements just to troll people. You will not post on anything sports related unless it’s insightful and has some validity. None of these comments where you let us know what you are about to drink or eat for dinner. Ok, no posting for two weeks. That’s the only way to be sure there are no grey areas. The last two sentences is the agreement. This will be acknowledged by you by starting a thread that acknowledges the above. This will begin just after the record surpasses what you predicted. The thread will state “I know nothing and most people don’t care what I do”.

    1) My knowledge of NC State is rather non existent. I know they field a bunch of losers, endlessly harass the students, the alumni and the limited fan base. I know they like to be cheap. Cheap in essence is not bad but State’s efforts at cheap almost always equate to bad results.

    2) I love trolling people. There is a beauty to the reaction that is better than the best of times at the Carolina Inn with blondes from Myers Park who’ve got daddy’s money to spend and all weekend to do it(plural sense applied). And I’m not speaking to the point of angering people but rather getting their thoughts, their views, their beliefs while foregoing the contemporary retort of “I’m offended”.

    By gosh I’ve been booted off more message boards for trolling than you’ve got hairs on your head. In fact I’ve been tossed off Pack Pride so long (around 14 years by my count) and I burned them so deep that my old account is still banned which probably has more to do with their lazy/forgetfulness than my narcissism.

    3) I’m all about some rational empirical data and discussion but at some point it becomes clear that people in high (and low) places have no damn idea what they are doing.

    Case in point, we all recognize how brilliant Herb Sendek was as 1) a dresser, 2) a promoter of hair gel, 3) finding odd names in the Moore County phone directory and 4) a coach.

    All that said, when he started 6 players on the floor AFTER A DAMN TIME OUT there is no need for “insight and validity”. It was damn stupid, period.

    4) I believe I have excellent eating and drinking habits.

    I eat what I like but am typically spartan in my approach to daily consumption. Lots of coffee, a dip of tobacco (bachelors delight) from time to time, high protein and lots and lots of fiber. I do enjoy cooking, simple basic culinary models with bursts of complexity from time to time. I enjoy a good restaurant, price is rarely an object so long as the flavor and atmosphere are in play. I HATE CHAIN RESTURANTS outside of unabashed Christian businesses who are hypocritical cheapskates in all but name.

    Alcohol has its place which is generally in my right hand.

    Love dark chocolate, do not like (Un)Sanitary Fish Market down near Morehead City. That was(is) one overrated dump.

    5) I already know that I don’t know very much thus underscoring my Socratic method. I also know that most if not all people could care less what I think, what I eat, how many bowel movements I have per day(4) or that I used to set up at the old Greenburg and Friedman real estate offices off Franklin Street in chapel hill on game day and charge people to park. It was a Saturday, there was no business hours so I figured the owners wouldn’t mind while I 1) made some easy cash, 2) stuck to the heals.

    The delightful shock on their faces as they told me they had parked there free for years.

    If you win I will start a thread that says you are all knowing and I paid you $50 bucks for your advanced knowledge.

    Are you in?

    Well they play 18 games since I finally gave a damn to check so in pure NC State fashion I’ll stick with 5-11.

    And I only do handshake deals so I ain’t starting no new damnn thread about yes to this and no to that.

    McCallum

    #113733
    Gowolves
    Participant

    I figured as much. We shall see how the season plays out. BTW, four bowl movements a day is great for a man of your age. ?

    Copenhagen or Skoal? I have gone back and forth but have to say Copenhagen fine cut is the best.

    #113734
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Mac, et al…

    I wonder how many guys over the years from the smalltownsandfarms of North Carolina went to NC State, greenasgoosesh#tunshavenvirgins, nativelyintelligent with dirtundertheirfingernails….

    learned the discipline of mathematics,
    learned the scientific methods,
    learned the socratic method,
    madetheirgrades, changedtheirmajors
    and graduated….

    some developed reightbraincreativeandcommunication skills, all were analytic at heart….

    all who scattered farandwide, foundtheirwork, raisedtheirfamilies, wenttotheirchurches, made somerightturns, madesomewrong turns and livedtheirlives mostly in peace….

    most were satisfied with the boxestheybuilt, but others who were moretimesthannot always thinking about and tryingtobuildabetterbox not so much for themselves but for other people… the foundation of either evolving from their years at NCState?

    Everything was fine, until they all met Cynicism.

    If you don’t know what I’m talking about…
    Beware.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #113741
    Wufpacker
    Participant

    FSU is legit.
    Also, when BJD smells burnt toast, clear the room folks.

    #113746
    McCallum
    Participant

    Man hands you $50 and you can’t even say thanks.

    Booooo

    McCallum

    #113747
    McCallum
    Participant

    billotb,

    The only time ANY engineering or animal science major heard the term “Socrates” was when they watched Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure*.

    McCallum

    *Bill and Ted’s qualify as Keanu Reeves best acting role to date. Hands down he is the WORST actor in Hollywood, Statish.

    #113748
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Bill and Ted’s qualify as Keanu Reeves best acting role to date. Hands down he is the WORST actor in Hollywood, Statish.

    He has quite a bit of competition. Will Ferrell gets my #1 unwatchable actor spot with Seth Rogen a close second. Adam Sandler, Jim Carrey, and Owen Wilson are all worthy of being included in this discussion. But, this site agrees with you:

    http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2011/02/the-50-worst-actors-in-hollywood-history/keanu-reeves

    #113749
    McCallum
    Participant

    Ferrell is right up there and Wilson must have performed some vile act or acts to get any work.

    Sandler is unbearable, Carey is good when contorting and twisting.

    Reeves stands alone but Wilson may be the nearest to him in lacking talent. Sandler, Ferrell and Carrey are skit players so you can understand how they lack depth beyond five minutes.

    McCallum

    #113750
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    My great uncle, who was an NC State grad and a tobacco farmer…
    had one Bull and few cows…

    The Bull’s name was Socrates.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #113751
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    The only time ANY engineering or animal science major heard the term “Socrates” was when they watched Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure*.

    My great uncle, who was an NC State grad and a tobacco farmer…
    had one Bull and few cows…

    The Bull’s name was Socrates.

    His wife was a High School teacher — English and Classics.

    They lived into their 80’s.
    Neither one ever watched “Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure”.

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #113756
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    For one thing, we play 18 fixtures, do we not??

    5-13, 6-12, 7-11…any of those should be a fireable offense.

    In my Gott loving opinion anything less than 10 wins should be a fireable offense with this roster. I love what he’s done for the program, but damn we have a point guard getting triple doubles.

    #113757
    rthomas44
    Participant

    Saturday will be a great day! Bad weather,two pro playoffs, and State vs the Cheats.

    #113758
    McCallum
    Participant

    Eye of a needle bill, eye of a needle.

    Ain’t many out there, rarer they are by the day yet the except is not the rule.

    McCallum

    *The Troll keeps gaining points in my book.

    #113762
    13OT
    Participant

    7-Eleven is what we’ll probably get from the Pack this season in the ACC. They’ll likely play as bad tomorrow night as they played good Wednesday night against VT.

    But don’t worry about Gottfried. The AD has his back, unconditionally. Hell, if Doeren stays on, Pack basketball will remain the same too, even if they play again on opening night of the ACCT.

    The more things change, the more they remain the same.

    #113765
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Ain’t many out there, rarer they are by the day

    I don’t disagree…

    I do set some blame with our beloved Land Grant University…
    the rest is much more complicated.

    Blest Be The Tie That Binds

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #113766
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    We win on the road tomorrow night (assuming Roy doesn’t get intimidated by some snow) you boys will be tooting confetti out of you asses. Let’s play the games first.

    #113767
    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    UNC is 13 point favorites. That’s ridiculous. Time to put some coin down on triple-double and squad.

    #113774
    JeremyH
    Participant

    UNC is 13 point favorites. That’s ridiculous. Time to put some coin down on triple-double and squad.

    – 5 of what Creighton beat us by sounds on point to me. hoping for some magic though.

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