Benchmark Tom O’Brien: The Race to Perceived Success

First, something for the liberal-arts lovers:

“All our knowledge has its roots in our perception.”  -Leonardo da Vinci.

I wonder if da Vinci ever tried quantifying perception?  Every college program has coaching dynasties that we view, or perceive, as “good programs”.  To back this up, we have all of the records, stats, and bowl trophies to prove who was and wasn’t a great asset to our athletic programs.  That’s all well and good for sitting around remembering “the good ole days” or how “ole Lou could really coach”, but what I want to know is if there is some way to look at the results of our past coaches, apply a little common sense, and derive from coaches that we “know” were great coaches what it will take for Tom O’Brien (or any current coach) to be considered successful.  To do this, I had to look at NC State’s past coaches, eliminate those that were either failures or were only at NC State for “fill in” duty (like Al Michaels after Earle Edwards in the early 1970’s), and create a “composite score” for each coach that allows for a common basis for comparison.

LOGIC. First I had to determine what NC State fans really care about.  After a lot of soul searching, and after requesting spiritual assistance from the wolves in-front of the Murphy Center via burnt ram offering, I determined that three things significantly factor into our perception of a season’s success: overall record, ACC record, and likelihood of a bowl bid.  The only potentially controversial assumption made here is that we can ignore the effects of bowl expansion.  My only basis for this is because not making any bowl, generally speaking, seems to be taken significantly worse amongst the NC State faithful than making a “lesser” bowl.  Regardless, I think the outcomes of this analysis are pretty accurate.

Figure 1 shows the comparison of NC State’s coaches across the board.  The overall and ACC winning percentages are self-explanatory.  The “Likelihood of Bowl” basically determines how often a coach made a bowl game given the length of his tenure (in years) at NC State.  The perceived success is simply an average of all three of these percentages.

Figure 1 - Coach Comparison Since ACC Inception

The assumption is that all three of these factors weigh on a fan’s perceived success equally.  For example, if a coach does poorly amongst out of conference (OOC) opponents, but seems to compete extremely well with ACC opponents, NC State fans are likely to be similarly as pleased, in general, as if a coach had a “decent” overall record, consistently beat OOC teams (including BCS teams) but lost a couple ACC games.  A coach is likely to also get a slide on his overall record if he makes a bowl almost every year.  There are always exceptions to this rule (i.e., bowl expansion being the biggest one), but IMO, this trend seems to hold true.

Looking at Figure 1, we can pull out who would be viewed as probably the most successful coaches.  Again, this is just a general broad-brush of each coach’s careers, not an analysis of why each coach did well.  Just to be fair, I ran the spreadsheet eliminating the “fru-fru bowls” (Meineke Bowl and MicronPC Bowl) and adding 1 “bowl bid” for seasons where NC State finished atop the ACC. According to this analysis, NC State’s most beloved coaches,and composite scores, would be the following:

  1. Lou Holtz – 0.748*
  2. Dick Sheridan – 0.615
  3. Bo Rein – 0.501*
  4. Chuck Amato – 0.488*
  5. Mike O’Cain** – 0.323*

*Composite scores are different from those in Figure 1 (Perceived Success) due to the subtraction of ‘lesser bowls’ and addition of ACC champion status.

**It’s worth mentioning Early Edwards would have a composite score of 0.442 giving the addition of ACC “championship seasons” to the bowl count.

This is all well and good, but what good does it do us to mathematically compare coaches without coming up with some useful model to project with?  Well, I’m glad you asked.

Tom O’Brien, after his third season, was 0.432 overall and 0.375 in ACC play.  Not too hot.  The only permanent coach worse than that was Tom Reed (0.273/0.190 ACC) who also came into NC State as a “successful” coach at his former post (32-19-2 at Miami-Ohio).  Not a fair comparison of TOB to Reed, but the numbers ‘are what they are’.

So what does Tom O’Brien have to do to achieve the winning percentages of his predecessors?  First an assumption: I assume Tom O’Brien will be allowed to coach for 5 years.  I looked at what other coaches’ overall results, first 5 years, and “worst” 5 years looked like and compared them to what Tom’s current record is now as well as what his record will need to be in the next two years to achieve any sort of comparable success to past coaches.  Possible game totals assume a bowl will be attended, giving O’Brien the chance for another win each season.

(The “Games” column(s) represents the total number of games played overall and in the ACC for the corresponding row’s time period.  The ‘Coach %’ in this column refers to O’Brien’s winning percentages.  The remaining data corresponds to the number of wins O’Brien did or will need to achieve to attain the winning percentages in the top row.  The winning percentage in red is the win percentage O’Brien will need to achieve to match the record of each table’s coach in each columns’ time period.)

This analysis takes the burden of making “fru-fru bowls” off of O’Brien to compete with Amato.  In order to accurately compete with Amato’s overall record, he would have to have win three quarters of his overall schedule, but only a little over half of his ACC games.  This required winning percentage for O’Brien pin-points one of the biggest issues with Amato: O’Brien’s predecessor had a problem competing in the ACC. The easy solution for O’Brien is to beat his ACC opponents and this already begins to set himself above his immediate predecessor.

Sheridan is lacking an analysis for the worst 5 years since his first 5 years were his worst.  Imagine that; a coach who actually doesn’t suffer performance as he becomes more experienced in the Wolfpack head coaching role.  It’s been a while since we’ve seen that.

Note that below, both Bo Rein and Lou Holtz failed to serve more than 3 seasons.  This means that all we can compare O’Brien against are their career results at NC State for Overall and ACC winning percentages.

Comparing Tom O’Brien’s required performance to the worst 5-year period under any give coach produces Figure 2.

Figure 2 - Tom O'Brien's Required Win Percentages to Match Predecessor's Worst Records

In the words of Tom O’Brien’s big buddy, Mike Archer, “It is what it is.”  Tom basically can either fall in the category of the Amato’s and O’Cain’s or he can strive to sit with the Sheridan’s, Rein’s, and Holtz’s… well, sort of.  Some of these levels of achievement O’Brien simply can’t achieve in this first 5 years, despite the fact that only the worst 5 years from each of these coaches was considered.

O’Brien is looking at moving from a sub-50% team overall and in the ACC and transforming it to an over 80% team in order to be considered one of our “good” coaches.  I’m willing to give any man worth his salt the benefit of the doubt, and we would be remiss to say Tom O’Brien isn’t a good man with a good career and a solid head on his shoulders.  Hell, those are a few of the reasons why I liked O’Brien so much when he came to State in the first place!  Unfortunately, when you are playing the game of football, fans don’t care nearly as much about how honorable you are compared to how much you win.  Well… unless you are so dishonorable that you allow your players to receive completed homework from former nanny’s and associate with NFL agents in violation of NCAA regulations…

…but that’s another story.

Tom, it’s very simple: start winning. You are behind in the polls and you are looking at a hard climb ahead of you.  At this point you can either (a) admit that the expectations are simply to hard to meet or (b) make some hard decisions, get this train back on track, and start putting up some points, or as our particular problem would be, prevent the other team from posting a score.  Going into this pre-season, I have run the gambit of dejected to curious to excited and back to dejected.  I don’t know what to expect out of O’Brien this season, but I am sure am rooting for him to be closer to that 80% success mark than the 40-45% mark we have been seeing.

[UPDATE: For a short period, there was some errant data concerning TOB’s required achievement to match O’Cain and Amato’s ACC records.  This has been corrected.]

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36 Responses to Benchmark Tom O’Brien: The Race to Perceived Success

  1. travelwolf 09/01/2010 at 12:00 PM #

    Great analysis… Now that you’ve got it down, I think it would be very interesting to see how our basketball coaches rank. I’ll bet that Herb will rank higher than my perception of him because of all the weak teams his teams played and beat.

    Also, I’m surprised that Amato ‘ranked’ so high – I expected him lower.

    NCStatePride: Be expecting a similar analysis as basketball season approaches. I also plan on writing an update to this article as the season developes more. Sneakpeak for basketball: 1) Sloan, 2) Case, 3) Valvano, 4) Maravich, 5) Sendek, 6) Robinson.

  2. NCStatePride 09/01/2010 at 12:08 PM #

    packplantpath: So its not OK to look at O’Brien’s outside-of-state results, but it is OK to look at Amatos to prove he was bad. It’s not OK to suggest O’Brien’s wins are largely because of the anomoly of one extra-ordinary QB, but it is OK to discount Amato’s wins because it was the work of one good player. It’s not OK to suggest O’Brien is doing poorly because he had 2 losing seasons in 3 total seasons, but it is OK to suggest people are inflating Amato’s legacy at State because he had 2 losing seasons in 7 total seasons.*

    I’m not trying to prove anything about Amato. His results are what they are, regardless of the footnotes. What I am trying to suggest is that Tom O’Brien will be judged by the same metric: did he or did he not win. Right now, he’s not winning as well as his predecessors. He needs to be better than he has, excuses be damned.

    *Pack Mentality rightfully corrected me below. TOB technically has 3 losing seasons due to losing the bowl game during his 6-6 season. It’s somewhat ironic that the first time Chuck Amato had a losing season, he publically announced to the Wolfpack Nation “No More Losing Seasons!” We were all Hell-bent to hold him to that. TOB has had 3 losing seasons and some fans are still saying “he’s on the right track, aside from last season.” Granted that 2-3 seasons isn’t a trend, but no one here is trying to project TOB’s future success based on the past 2-3 years. We are saying that his results, thus far, have been below-par for his contemporaries and that he has a long road to catch up…

  3. packplantpath 09/01/2010 at 12:37 PM #

    Pride, I think you are missing my point, but that is fine. To answer your questions:

    “So its not OK to look at O’Brien’s outside-of-state results, but it is OK to look at Amatos to prove he was bad.”

    Sure, you can take a look at TOB’s record outside of NC State, but it would indicate that he is a decent coach. I opted not to do that, since BC is a very different school, with very different athletes. Amato has no record outside NC State. For good reason.

    “It’s not OK to suggest O’Brien’s wins are largely because of the anomoly of one extra-ordinary QB, but it is OK to discount Amato’s wins because it was the work of one good player. ”

    Sigh, let me repeat again, as I’ve said quite a few times (3 I think), RW is the key to practically every win TOB has here. Without RW, I suspect 4-8 would be about right for TOB so far, each season. But, one big difference here, we know Chucks results were due to one player because once that player was gone the results went with him. I’d say that’s pretty clear.

    “It’s not OK to suggest O’Brien is doing poorly because he had 2 losing seasons in 3 total seasons, but it is OK to suggest people are inflating Amato’s legacy at State because he had 2 losing seasons in 7 total seasons.”

    I don’t know anyone in their right mind that thinks TOB isn’t performing poorly. Where would you get that idea? Does anybody think that? You are conflating two issues that are completely independent. Both of them could very well be bad coaches. Amato being a bad coach doesn’t mean TOB can’t be one too. We know one of them is, and will very soon know about the other.

    I’m basing my opinion of Amato on the known results and withholding judgment on TOB until the results are in.

  4. choppack1 09/01/2010 at 12:38 PM #

    Yep NCStatePride – I know a lot of golfers who “almost” shot a 72 and my Dad almost caught a really big fish a time or two.

    PackPlanth – It’s not really fair to take away Chuck’s accomplishments. Like him or not, Chuck assembled great talent and motivated it pretty well while he was here for his first 5 years.

    Unfortunately for Chuck – he wasn’t able to keep the gems of his staff, nor was able to replace them w/ clear upgrades or equal coaches. And I think the longer Chuck was here – the more the team embodied its coach – and what we saw was a team that fought, but made A LOT of stupid mistakes, over and over and over again.

  5. MP 09/01/2010 at 12:57 PM #

    This must be the most entertaining post I’ve read on here in several weeks. Great post, great comments.

    One thing in the post that seems to need correction (or possibly I don’t get the numbers): “note that O’Brien only needs to win a little over a third of his ACC games to match Chuck’s overall ACC record”.

    From the data it appears that he needs to win 10 games / 0.598 percent of his games in the next 2 years – did you mean to say “close to two-thirds”?

    NCStatePride: A result of not catching everything that needed updating during writing. Forgive me; this was the first article I wrote for SFN. Corrections made.

  6. packplantpath 09/01/2010 at 1:01 PM #

    Chop, perhaps I’m too hard on Amato. He did some good things, and was the right guy to get NC State excited about football. I’m honestly disappointed it didn’t work out. I liked the guy.

    I just often come upon fans, either here or out in the world, who only remember the good. The good was truly good, unfortunately to me the bad outweighed the good.

  7. Pack Mentality 09/01/2010 at 2:21 PM #

    NCStatePride: I am on your side of this argument. I just wanted to correct the following sentence:

    “It’s not OK to suggest O’Brien is doing poorly because he had 2 losing seasons in 3 total seasons”

    That should be 3 losing seasons in 3 total seasons.

    Bowl games DO count in your overall record. So making a bowl with a 6-6 record isn’t so great if you lose that bowl (not that it is all that great in the first place).

  8. coach13 09/01/2010 at 2:54 PM #

    Yep…i don’t care how or why. The records are what they are. I agree 100% with a previous statement. 6-7 wins, ok, another year but no enthusiasm.8+ wins i’m getting a little more excited. Under 500 this season, I will consider TOB and Wolfpack football a lost cause for the next 5 years, because 1-He has no signs of a good class coming in and 2-he gets year 5, gets fired and another 4 years for the next guy to “get his shot”.

    Bottom line…Just win….NOW.

  9. choppack1 09/01/2010 at 3:52 PM #

    packplanth – those fans are definitely out there – but you gotta realize, those are classic “hearts before heads” fans OR they didn’t have access to NC Football from 2004 to 2006.

  10. ryebread 09/01/2010 at 9:40 PM #

    Not to turn this into an Amato love or hate fest, but there’s one thing we have to give him credit for. Between he and Rivers, they generated the hype that built the facilities that have made the NC State job a much better one now than it was when Amato took over.

    That’s part of what makes TOB’s results (and his recruiting) so maddening to me. We’re getting MOC level results and recruits but are doing it in some top 25 level facilities. Weren’t the facilities supposed to help the recruiting?

    We can debate Amato era all we want, but the man left the overall program at a much higher level of expectation than when he found it. For that I thank him. If TOB tanks this year with another losing record, then he needs to be shown the door before he completely sucks the life back out of it.

    Oh, and I’m so @#($)*@$ glad LF is gone that I just had to say it again. There’s at least a prayer of a performance based decision happening now. I’d lost all hope with LF. He was “going down with the ship” on his big two hires.

  11. Wolfgarden 09/03/2010 at 10:36 PM #

    can we please hire Mike Leach and get back to winning

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