Tobais Palmer redshirting?

Tobais Palmer – 5’11″ 175 lb. Athlete

Originally signed with NC State in 2008. Played for coach Brett Williams at Georgia Military College. Carried the ball 91 times for 662 yards and 10 touchdowns during his sophomore year. Also caught 10 passes for 103 yards and one touchdown. Rushed 43 times for 311 yards and three scores as a freshman, while pulling down 13 passes for 259 yards and three TDs. Played running back and safety for coach Bill Hall at Northwood HS. Rushed for over 4,700 yards and scored more than 80 all-purpose touchdowns in three seasons. ranked him as a three-star recruit and the No. 41 cornerback in the nation.


It came to our attention late last night that Tobias Palmer posted on his FaceBook page that he was bummed out that he would not be playing for the Wolfpack this fall.  After taking a big gulp and reading the conversation, it became clear that he wasn’t injured or in any kind of trouble…which leads one to wonder about the potential of a redshirt for the talented junior.  This conclusion is currently being supported by some rumors and chatter that are surfacing on the internet.

The key as it relates to Tobais is that, in the 2010 season, the Wolfpack probably doesn’t need his offensive dimensions as badly as we will in the 2012 season, hence a potential redshirt for the speedy and shifty talent.  A redshirt would validate Tobais’ future within the program as the coaches recognize his importance and potential to impact the program on the field in 2011 and 2012 when playing time will be easier to come by; no reason to dilute your playing time & opportunity this year when we have so much experienced depth at WR when you will be given even more opportunity in the next two years when Spencer, Davis & Williams are gone.

NC State WR Depth Class
Owen Spencer Sr
Jarvis Williams R-Sr
Darrell Davis R-Sr
TJ Graham Jr
Steven Howard R-Jr
Jay Smith R-Jr
Tobais Palmer Jr / Redshirt?
Quintin Payton R-Fr
Bryan Underwood Fr


Want to see this point manifested another way?  Click here for Fox Sports’ rankings of wide receiver corps in the Atlantic Coast Conference released  just today.  See who is #1?  Said another way — how much marginally better can we make the ACC’s top group of receivers by adding more talent to the mix?  Why not spread this talent out in the future years?


NC-State.jpg 1 – N.C. State: Jarvis Williams and Owen Spencer are on the Biletnikoff watch list and Darrell Davis is solid, T.J. Graham is a burner who complements the other two very well. Tight end George Bryan is the best in the conference and one of top in the nation. Combined, this group hauled in 140 passes for 2,114 yards, and 24 touchdowns. The bunch can handle any kind of aerial scheme and are perfect to accompany an arm like Russell Wilson’s.

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14 Responses to Tobais Palmer redshirting?

  1. choppack1 08/24/2010 at 2:21 PM #

    What I find interesting about this is that he’d be mentioned as a possible slot receiver – maybe Underwood is filling that spot?

  2. LKNpackfan 08/24/2010 at 3:04 PM #

    Apparently this is SOP for TOB (ie. Kuhn last year). I think its smart, just hope the kids hang in there instead of checking out.

  3. tjfoose1 08/24/2010 at 3:15 PM #

    Makes sense… we are deep at WR, and with Creecy and Greene, he’s not needed as an option in the backfield either.

    He’s only got two years of eligibility, so let him redshirt, learn the system, and take advantage of the weight room.

    This way, Palmer is more prepared when he starts burning his remaining eligibility and NC State gets a better prepared ball player. Both get better returns on their investments.

    Win win.

    I’m sure Palmer is bummed about not playing this year, but if someone were to ask him, he’d admit it’s the right decision and best for all, long term.

  4. JKL 08/24/2010 at 3:23 PM #

    Knock on wood – but if our O-line can’t block there better be a ton of screen plays in the book to utilize this talent.

  5. packalum44 08/24/2010 at 3:31 PM #

    the bigger question is why the hell isn’t he playing corner where we could use his sub 4.4 speed!!!! for those who forget, he was a track star who was almost as fast as TJ Graham coming out of high school.

  6. baxter 08/24/2010 at 3:36 PM #

    I agree with 44 in some sense, but also I am bummed because I was getting hyped to see even more athletic talent on the field this year.

  7. tjfoose1 08/24/2010 at 7:03 PM #

    He would be wasted at corner.

    It takes more than speed to play the position. Whatever advantage, if any, his speed would give us over our current options, would be countered by the liability of his size (he’s not 5′ 11″).

    Then there’s the time and learning curve involved in learning the position and our system.

    Conversly, the moment he steps on the field as a member of the offense, he becomes a weapon that the defense can not ignore.

  8. 61Packer 08/24/2010 at 7:13 PM #

    We’ve had 4 straight losing seasons. How many more players can we afford to redshirt? I hope for Palmer’s sake (and ours) that he gets to play for TOB here next season.

  9. tjfoose1 08/24/2010 at 7:32 PM #

    The cost of redshirting Palmer is negligible. The benefit is great. Unless Palmer was going to see significant minutes (in top 3 WR rotation), it would be selfish of TOB, and unfair to Palmer, to not redshirt him.

    Given the makeup of our 2010 roster, I believe they are making the right move.

  10. Statefan1998 08/25/2010 at 6:21 AM #

    Great move to RS. We should RS everyone.

  11. coach13 08/25/2010 at 7:49 AM #

    If he has the hands you don’t use’m on D.

  12. packalum44 08/25/2010 at 9:30 AM #

    Height is more important for receivers than corners because corners in theory have an easier job – just knock the ball down. Therefore, the average corner is several inches shorter than the average receiver. Tall corners are valuable because they negate the receivers’ advantage…however, you only have a 6 foot plus guy playing corner if he can’t catch worth a lick. The skills sets are similar except one has to flex their hips and backpedal more but I don’t buy for one second that Tobias doesn’t have the skill set to play corner. Hell he was recruited as a corner.

    As for learning a new position, sure its hard and can’t be done NOW. My point is why the hell hasn’t he been learning it since spring practice? We all knew we were extremely deep and talented at receiver last spring and we also knew that we were thin in the secondary last spring. Apparently it takes a $2 million coach to figure out that Tobias needs to play corner (plus its his best and perhaps ONLY shot at NFL, especially if he is 5’10” or shorter as TJ exclaims). We ONLY have a $1 million coach and it shows. I’m flabbergasted that this talented speedster is not helping us THIS year. I’m pissed off about it no excuses.

    On top of that I’ve learned that our kickoff guy that TOB bragged about never enrolled so we have the 2 worst kickers in BCS returning and if ya’ll are dumb enough to buy the bullshit that they’re so much better more power to you. Its these little mismanagement issues that are costing my alma mater games and TOB is accountable.

  13. Sw0rdf1sh 08/25/2010 at 11:33 AM #

    He gains so much more by RS this year. He wouldn’t fit in as much with all the tools we already have and who are exiting at the end of the season.

    In the end he will get to showcase his talent for two fulls years instead of sporatic opportunities to play this year.

    Of course he is just an injury away from being back in the fold.

  14. elvislives 08/25/2010 at 2:19 PM #

    In other news, Tobias Fünke is licensed as both an analyst and a therapist, supposedly making him the first licensed “analrapist” in the country. He has also been shortlisted as an understudy for the Blue Man Group.

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