Butch’s redshirting dodge and a dubious poll (day 98)

This entry is nowhere near as good as last night’s.  I’d like to thank the other members of the SFN author team for adding content and providing research for yesterday’s brilliant and monolithic Burney expose’. 

The first thing to cover tonight is the topic we left off with last night — UNC’s apparent plan to use redshirt years to avoid suspensions.  As you can read about in this WRAL piece, Butch plans to redshirt Charles Brown and may do so with Ryan Houston.

Regarding Brown, that linked article provides this Butch quote:

And then Charlie Brown found out that he’s going to be put on probation for two semesters. He’s got one year of eligibility remaining, so he’ll stay on the football team and obviously he’ll get a chance to practice and go through spring practice and use this year as a red-shirt year.

The loophole Butch is trying to exploit has to do with an NCAA bylaw that allows a school to dispense its own discipline regarding academic cheating so long as the cheating was not connected to a school staff member (discussed at length here): 

If a student-athlete commits an academic offense (e.g., cheating on a test, plagiarism on a term paper) with no involvement of an institutional staff member, the institution is not required to report a violation of Bylaw 10.1-(b), unless the academic offense results in an erroneous declaration of eligibility and the student-athlete subsequently competes for the institution.

I have two things to say. First, it appears that the tutor in question was being privately employed by the head football coach in Brown’s scenario, so the NCAA may find “involvement” (if not worse).  Second, Brown was also reportedly possibly involved in the agent prong.  Butch is playing with fire with this redshirting stunt. It looks EXACTLY like UNC is trying to avoid scandal-related suspensions with this redshirt dodge.

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So after I was totally done writing this entire entry, I saw that the Bleacher Report had published this piece on the UNC redshirting plan, agreeing with me (and a lot of other people).  I don’t have time to parse it for you and grab quotes, but the whole thing is right on the money.  I wish they had put it up earlier.

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Next I need to touch on this goofy poll that came out today.  I want to focus on the N&O’s presentation of it.

From the N & O piece:

Only 14 percent of Carolina fans want Davis to be fired with 57 percent preferring that he continue as the coach and 29 percent having no opinion. 41 percent of fans approve of Davis’ overall job performance to only 20 percent who disapprove, numbers any politician would love to have.

I am not sure that “any politician would love to have” a 41 percent approval rating, but whatever, so far I am totally bored.  But get a load of where they go next:

“These numbers would seem to suggest that UNC fans don’t think the program’s current issues are Davis’ fault and that they appreciate the strides the team has made on the field since he became coach,” PPP director Tom Jensen says. “And they would suggest that Chancellor Holden Thorp and Athletic Director Dick Baddour’s strong continued support of Davis is meeting favor with their ‘constituents.'”

 ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?  To represent that you can reach those conclusions from that raw data is totally laughable.  Something must be going on here.  Sure enough, it is!  This cat Tom Jensen, who is presented as some sort of objective pollster, is actually a big UNC football fan, as you can see here, where he is advocating that people come out to support the UNC football team.  Clearly he has an agenda that is reflected in his comments about the poll numbers, if not in the poll itself. 

To be clear, I think it is super that Jensen is a UNC football fan and I have no problem with his pro-Butch agenda.  I am just pointing out that he is not necessarily an objective analyst.

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11 Responses to Butch’s redshirting dodge and a dubious poll (day 98)

  1. YogiNC 10/21/2010 at 11:12 PM #

    It’s funny how “scientific” this poll is. I bet he found 10 guys walking down the street and started asking questions. My personal bet is that if a true poll were done 60% of the people polled wouldn’t give a crap about any of what has gone on over on the hill.

  2. turfpack 10/21/2010 at 11:16 PM #

    I wonder how that poll will read after they are hit with major sanctions by the NCAA…say 4 years probation…2 years no bowls..lose 8-10 scholarships a year…vacate 2009-2010 seasons
    OH…WAIT WE’RE TALKING CAROWHINA FANS…NEVERMIND.

  3. packplantpath 10/22/2010 at 7:45 AM #

    29% with no opinion = basketball fans 🙂

  4. Rochester 10/22/2010 at 7:58 AM #

    Will they construct a light blue cross for Butch to be nailed to after the NCAA drops the hammer? Then every year on the day of the NC State-UNC game, Butch can rise to remind Tar Heel fans why they got bombed back to the stone age by the NCAA, as we beat the holy hell out of them (and John Swofford weeps silently up in his box).

  5. Sw0rdf1sh 10/22/2010 at 8:58 AM #

    This just keeps getting richer!

    Let me Redshirt a cheater. Some people will do anything to try and win. Please see the emphasis on the word try.

    At some point this is all going to end up so terribly F’ed up for all of them. Please pass the popcorn.

  6. Mike 10/22/2010 at 9:02 AM #

    There was another article in the N&O this AM about the redshirting deal. I dont have it here in front of me, but essentialy Davis was quoted as saying we are doing everything we can to get these guys back on the field to help the program win games.

    Give me a break. I thought all along the UNCCheat stance was to uphold integrity and university honor. Must be tough speaking out of both sides of the mouth.

    Let’s see Brown and Houston, you guys have broken the rules and cheated, but that’s OK, because we will REWARD you with another season.

  7. Hungwolf 10/22/2010 at 11:39 AM #

    As we watch the liberals now turning on each other in the political areana, the same will play out between Butch and fan base. Bottom line is UNC fans only care about winning doing it the right way was only a perception that Dean Smith started and it grew from there. Most all UNC fans that actually went to chapel Hill know the players are treated like royality and rules were meant to be broken. The Walmart UNC fans care less about rules, just win baby!

    As long as UNC is winning Butch is safe, Butch is a hero and the NCAA is bunch of useless idiots that universities should have dicthed years ago. Butch starts losing with a trip to Miami and Va. tech coming up and injuries piling up a losing streak may be in order and recruits start bailing. Then the UNC fan base will have Butch’s head on a platter.

    Speaking of recruits. Redshirts, potential lack of scholarships, new NCAA rules about offering scholarships you don’t have plus NON-Q like WR Davis from last couple of years recruiting classes at prep schools counting on still coming to UNC next year. Does Davis really have scholarships for all those he already offered?

  8. WolftownVA81 10/22/2010 at 12:18 PM #

    Maybe they’ll hold a lottery for the 10 ships they actually will have once the NCAA boys leave town.

  9. golf76 10/22/2010 at 2:28 PM #

    Red-shirting a cheater? Did Butch play professional dodge ball?

  10. rtpack24 10/22/2010 at 3:06 PM #

    You have to wonder about Chief’s smarts, why would you announce now if you were going and try to red shirt dirty players? I believe NCAA rules prohibit red shirting to avoid suspension which in this case that would be exactly what UNC is doing. Truely unblievable!

  11. PackerInRussia 10/23/2010 at 7:07 AM #

    After thinking about the statement that 41% job approval rating would be numbers that any politician would like to have, I think that I see the logic in this statement. 41% approval rating is bad by itself. Obama’s in the low to mid-40’s if I’m not mistaken and that’s not considered too successful. But, imagine that Obama gets caught in the middle of some far-reaching scandal and still manages to hang on to a 41% approval rating. Suddenly, 41% doesn’t look so bad. I guess the fact that more people aren’t calling for his job could lead one to say that 41% is a “high” approval rating…if you believe the accuracy of the poll.

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