I know that we are going to give this guy more traffic than he ever imagined, but we just wanted to call your attention this entry from The ACC & SEC Blog because for some reason it really stuck me the wrong way.
The goal of the entry was supposed to “rank the toughest stadiums in the ACC using overall home records over the last eight seasons” in an attempt to find the stadiums that are “tough to win in”. I don’t think it takes a brain surgeon to recognize that there are many of layers to judging the ‘toughness’ of a stadium than simply looking at recent records.
Just because we haven’t had the right mix of talent over the last four years – coupled with the wrong mix of coaching for the last few years of the Amato era – doesn’t make the physical stadium and the gameday atmosphere of Carter-Finley innately easier in which to play. For example, ESPN The Magazine ranked the student section in Carter-Finley the 4th most spirited in the country.
In the 2003 book, Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One, economist and professor Thomas Sowell describes “how basic economics is generally misapplied because politicians think only in Stage One. Stage One is the immediate result of an action, without determining what happens then.”
With that said, ACC/SECBlog’s exercise representes the inability to consider the original actions that create a conclusion. I mean, why not just call the entry what it is – ranking the home performance of ACC teams – as opposed to pretending to make it more than it is. You can pretty much see our thoughts about the positioning of this entry in the comments section below where we said:
LOL! You may want to change the title of your entry.
You are in no way ranking the stadiums that are “toughest to win”. You are simply ranking the recent home performance/records of the ACC teams. There is a huge difference.
Why would a significantly talented team who comprises a strong home record have a “tougher environment” than a much less talented team who may comprise a worse record but a record that is disproportionately better than their talent level?
I don’t think that there are many functioning humans who would tell you that Byrd Stadium in Maryland or Alumni Stadium in Chestnut Hill are “tougher” places to win than Doak Campbell, Death Valley or even Carter-Finley.
For more on this topic, you should definitely use this entry as a launching point for more of our thoughts and past discussions. Ultimately, I thought that Heather Dinich’s REVISED rankings last year – based largely on the fans’ opinions – was one of the more accurate rankings I have seen.
But, in the end, I don’t know if any rankings have been better than those of Dave from Dave Sez originally published three years ago. (Link to rankings)
1. FSU (Doak Campbell)
2. Clemson (Memorial)
3. VT (Lane)
4. NC State (Carter-Finley)
5. UVA (Scott)
6. Miami (Orange Bowl)
7. Georgia Tech (Bobby Dodd)
8. UNC (Kenan)
9. BC (Alumni)
10. Maryland (Byrd)
11. Wake Forest (Groves)
12. Duke (Wallace Wade)
Check out our new poll on to vote for your thoughts on the toughest football stadiums in the ACC.