For the first time since the thrilling Miami win, I have tickets to tonight’s game. We are 4-0 in games that I attend this year (also attended Prebyterian, NC Central, and Davidson games). I’m not expecting to go 5-0, but we’ll see what happens. In Tallahassee earlier this year, the Pack was good (and the ‘Noles awful) for the last 5 minutes of the first half - and that was enough to earn NC State’s lone road ACC win.
As always, the comments are open.
This is a heart game. We find out a lot about our players and staff in a game like this. Hopefully, we perform better in this test than the last 4.
My thoughts…
Leading by 5 with 3:34 left in the first.
FSU goes on 9-2 run to go into halftime ahead 2, 34-32.
Pack comes out lethargic, we lose 77-63.
I should be able to get it, espnu over here in Buffalo, but um.. I was done a favor by espn360 not having the game over last weekend. Must resist flipping it on tonight…
a heart game? for the heartless
I agree with you choppack1, we are playing for next year from now on. Hopefully the players will learn a lesson and work their asses off this off-season.
Well, obviously, Miami has shown that a team can make a late turnaround from a severe losing streak.
I have no idea what to expect any more. A loss by any amount wouldn’t surprise. If we win, I’d be surprised if it were in double digits.
I hope for a game that State leads the whole way through, increasing the lead throughout. And I’d like to see the players and coaches look like they’re enjoying themselves, too.
I had written off spending any more time watching these guys after the unc-ch debacle but my 9-yr old daughter wants to go so I’m taking one for the team. God do I wish that we could develop a bball program where LTR holders didn’t always dread being forced to attend games late in the year. It’s usually a great relief when another season is over. I put my foot down and said that I wouldn’t go to the duke game if the Pope himself asked for a tagalong. I can’t take watching us get punked like we’ll undoubtedly get punked in that one.
a win wouldn’t change my mind about what’s gone on so far, but i think it would be a helluva psychological boost, especially as you said beowolf, for them having a good time, and THAT might carry over in the rest of this season.
pride game
I’ve picked the last few losses… I haven’t felt positive about a single one of those games.
For some reason, I think the Pack pulls this one out, despite their lack of heart, desire, hustle, or chemistry.
Pack by 7.
why would a win over a poor team like fsu do anything for next year .last years finish led to ecu and no loses.hope springs eternal.
Crap, is it still basketball season? Life on Tobacco Rd. just hasn’t been the same since Wake sold out and that weirdo hillbilly inherited the State plantation.
We can’t play any worse than we did in VA, so anything at all will be an improvement. Only question is which two players will show up tonight?
I’ll be watching it, and drinking my tears away.
Well,this is the big judgement call for the coaching staff and players!!! Whom has the heart to win and whom has the heart to fight no matter the score!! flo state is hot and were dead in the water. traditionaly state always shows heart when it is thought for dead. can’t wait to see chip a n/o report on the pack thurs.
go pack!!
win one for us and yourselfs
im really looking for costner to continue his dominating presence on the defensive end of the court.
i also predict alot of dribble penetration by javi, and not alot of perimeter passing. As always, movement off the ball will be awesome. Does anyone else think that courtney fells rubs off screens as well as Rip Hamilton. Those two really remind me of one another with the way they move without the ball.
o god, who am i kidding. FSU by 7 (just enough to keep me watching until the bitter end where we will inevitably crumble to pieces like dried bread)
BJD95-I sure hope your lucky streak continues. If we can’t win this one, I don’t think we’ll win another one this season.
The players are talking the talk, but can they walk the walk.
“We are not losers”, repeat “we are not losers”. Okay, then win a damn game.
I’ll wait to see a score before I watch anything more this season.
It’s just become far too painful.
I’ll be there to enjoy the festivities
I WILL flick off the fan cam if need be.
ParShooter–something is very, very wrong when a LTR holder wishes a season to end. I would put ‘having to turn off the TV before the second half’ in that category of ‘Houston, we have a problem’ type of signal. Lowe has turned from savior to goat in such a short span of time. We would love to hear about it from Lowe in a candid conversation, but that’s not going to happen (if you were in his position you would be sandbagging in the post-game comments as well). God I hope they can make gains here on in, but I am not willing to bet my mood on it.
I guess I am in that “who cares” state of mind and even though I get the “U” there’s not much upside for me to watch. Losing to FSU isn’t going to me feel much worse than i already do about this season, and beating them isn’t going to make me feel much better. If I watch it and we play the way we have lately I’ll just get pissed, drink more, and sleep like crap tonight.
I think I’ll pass (well maybe I’ll just check the score a few times).
By all accounts we should win this game, like we did the Va. Tech game, with relative ease. I just hope we get off to a good start and don’t let up. Beating these guys before should give us some confidence going into this game and hopefully it helps us shake off whatever funk we are in.
Well, it’s watch the game or american idol. Oh wait, we got the DVD…damn, now I have to watch both.
@Wolftown:
You have a DVD of an old American Idol? Let me know what season, and I can put you out of your misery and let you know who wins.
To be fair, I’m not sure whether Idol reruns or a Pack basketball game is more painful to watch at this point.
Well, this will be the first home game of men’s basketball or football that I have missed this year…
Having 3 tests in 2 days might be worth it if I thought we might play with at least a little pride in that name on the front of the jerseys… but dammit I just don’t see it happening… I will be listening to the radio for this one…
The only way a win will ameliorate my feeling for the season is if we see 100% EFFORT from every player on the court for every second of the game.
There is no excuse for lack of effort and that has been the most glaring omission from this team this season.
Why not start five entirely new players and see if they can give it 100% all of the time rather than 50% some of the time.
Just imagine what that Simon guy would say if he posted on this board…
ESPNUnavailable–I’ll have to settle for Tony and Gary on the radio. If we win tonight, I will listen and not watch the Duke game for good luck! Go Pack! Play 40 hard, smart minutes tonight.
SIMON HARRIS SMASHhhhhhhhhhh
We’re 2-0 on ESPNU this year. I think we go to 3-0.
All we need is 13 straight wins to end the year and we hang a banner. Yeah! Vegas odds? Anyone know how much a mazillionbajillion is?
I will say one thing - playing an early tip game on a weeknight in a cavernous arena can be pretty embarrassing when your season is in the toilet. The pre-game countdown clock is at 5:00, and we aren’t even at 1/4 capacity.
Coach talking w/Hahn on the air waves right now. When asked a question about winning the TO battle and the last meet up w/ the Noles, Lowe countered half heartedly with:
“Yes, yes, we’d like to get our hands on some balls.”
I wish I had just made that one up. I also wish I were mature enough not to think that is a “ballzy” thing to say on the open air. Even if Ole Roy fires off a pre game interview with “..get our hands on some balls” , I’m saying WTF. Go Pack.
game time, woo wee
Well, we suck so far.
damn we are such a good basketball team
Just down by 8, the D must have had an overhaul in practice this week.
I’m doing my best Ric Flair impersonation during this crap so far. I’m surprised that Gavin wasn’t called for a walk. No points in 4:20. WOOOOOOOO!!!
10-0 Noles. Everything we could possibly do wrong has been done. My 6-year old just yelled “we need to practice more!”
The JV’s down 10-0. What time does the varsity game start?
guys, i figured it out.
When I played select soccer while going to high school, i was an alright player. I wasn’t great, but I was a contributor, sometimes on, sometimes off. But there was this one team, Neuse(sp) River, that I played really well against, like many assists, a hat trick , etc. You guys know what it was about this team that brought out the best in me…..
THEY F**KIN SUCKED!
Don’t worry, spotting someone 10 right out of the gate is just good manners, and the “classy” thing to do.
Javi has tickled the rim twice, but I’m glad he’s putting it up … Can we score 13 in the half?
For those of you who thought we should speed up the offense more…
3 break opportunities = 3 turnovers (1 was technically a rebound, but…)
We can’t run an up-tempo offense. We can’t run slow tempo offense. Maybe we should try Tempo chewables to ease the indigestion in all of our stomachs.
Atleast they’re hustling on defense… just we can’t buy a bucket it seems.
Did someone teach Grant to throw the fast-break pass at his teammate’s feet, or did he think that strategy up on his own?
If we continue to get exponentially worse, we will lose the ACCT Thursday game by about 80.
10 - love. Go Pack. WOW. Somebody told me today that they thought it couldn’t get any worse. I didn’t respond.
We’ve never seen a pump fake we didn’t like.
21-6. Second mini-chorus of boos from the crowd. Even when we play hard on defense, we play really stupid.
they’ve got 5 offensive rebounds and it looks like they’ve scored on 4 of those 5 if the stats are right
can a brother get some rebounding effort?
Nevermind about that defensive hustle.
The turnovers should take care of themselves (somewhat) as the team gets more used to pushing the pace. I don’t mind sitting patiently and waiting while the players try to figure it out.
later dudes i have a root canal
For some reason Costner look slimmer - must be the lighting.
Sounds ugly. ‘noles are going for the jugular.
this looks like the Wake Forest game that got Herb fired.
Much loudeer round of boos as Javi nearly makes unforced TO, then actually does so 5 seconds later. 23-6.
sf59 take care, ive got a voluntarily scheduled body-cavity search in a few minutes im looking forward to
FSU sucks and is sh*t canning us.
were are absolute sh*t tails in every facet of the game
If this was Duke it would be 40 - 2 right now! I think everyone on the bench has played and no one can shoot, dribble, catch, pass or rebound.
Jeremy—he quit….
C’mon guys, get in there and get your hands on some balls! Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
Down to 11. I knew this would be a tight one.
Is Les on the sideline somewhere?
This could be a hit movie - Horror flick or comedy?
I didn’t think it was physically possible to get worse…I stand corrected.
What is the ACC record for most consecutive “worst games ever”?
I think the fans should throw the cows back in protest the next fast break we butcher.
4 of 16 shooting
losing rebound battle 17 to 6
Wow
17 rebounds FSU
6 rebounds Pack
way to go fellas, thats heart and hustle there
t-ferg?
Fergie with 2 threes!
For some reason I keep thinking about a T.S. Eliot poem…
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but a whimper.
fergie on fire
wow thats sad
Our new offense:
Get it to ferguson.
Back to within 2 TDs.
Trevor Ferguson is the best player in white on the floor.
MJ for 3. WTF
That was an awful call on Marques against Jason Rich. Looks like the refs are going to keep us at bay.
“this looks like the Wake Forest game that got Herb fired.”
Sorry JH, Wake Forest doesn’t get any credit for that, and besides, he didn’t get fired anyway.
It was I. I did it. I ran him off. I’m sorry.
Fergie is screaming for the ball - we should get to him every chance we can.
another night in the acc!
” Somebody told me today that they thought it couldn’t get any worse. I didn’t respond.”
Quoting myself there.
Lowe has lost this team. We’ll not win another game this season. They’ve quit.
if this keeps up we will have fergie and MJ, as all ACC studs by mid June
Pa-thet-ic!
Glad to see the starters on the bench.
T-Ferg is the only positive so far.
I like the T. S. Elliott poem–adds a little culture to this debacle.
It’s gotten so bad I wear my paper bag at home.
i am listening on the radio, have GG, CF or BM even scored yet?
I sold my tickets at the game and bought some char-grill,
MUCH BETTER EVENING
Costner just fouled the crap out of Rich. Excellleent.
sf59, is sf for Starflyer by chance?
fergie on firrrrrrrrre
Ferg & Johnsone have half our points - is this some kind of alternate universe? Oh wait, it can’t be we’re still gettin our ass kicked.
Not that it will make any difference, but the refs are just killing me.
This is just soooo bad, it’s funny.
Costner and McCauley can both pass the BB, it’s just that most of the time no one is even expecting them to do it.
They do practice together, don’t they?
TREVOR!!! MY MAN!!!
Fergie is the star tonight. Who would have thought?
give ferg the ball maybe this is his breakout game and he can lead the pack to the ncaat tourney title next yr
The tragedy of it is that will likely qualify as our “good” half.
AP News Bulletin:
Trevor Ferguson now leads Obama in national polls.
fergie is making a run for that 2-guard spot next year.
If Ferguson sits another minute this year Sid should be fired. (Slight exaggeration, but not much.) He’s the heart of the team. What’s his plus/minus differential?
hey did somebody break sids whistle
Ferguson just missed his first shot.
Did I mention that it was a FULL COURT shot that was literally 1 inch from banking in? Holy moly.
If that last shot had gone in, I might have just passed out.
It’s gotten so bad I wear my paper bag at home.
Nice, Jigawatts. Excellent use of humor in a depressing situation.
“Trevor Ferguson, the selection for back to back ‘Player of the Game’ for the NC State Wolfpack BB Team”
Um, who would have ever thunk it?
Agreed Rochester. Even if he screws up, you know he’s giving his best every second of the game.
Trevor’s just trying raise his stock in the NBA draft. Tonight his range seems to be about 85 feet.
In addition to the 3-balls, some nice defense and hustle from T-Ferg. I liked the way he didn’t get faked off his feet and held his ground under the hoop. Can he share his secret with the rest of the team?
sf59, is sf for Starflyer by chance?
and do desperation full court shots count as a shot attempt if they don’t go in? I’ve always wondered about that.
^^^My post way up, meant to type DVR. Recording idol now and will have to watch after this debacle.
It was 25-6 when Fergie made his first 3. We’re up 18-7 since then.
It’s Fergie’s world, we’re just living in it. If the rest of our team had any pride, it would humiliate them how much harder he’s playing, and how much he’s getting out of limited physical ability.
At least he doesn’t stand there picking his ass like Fells. And he will catch the ball if you throw it to him (unlike everybody else).
apparently we’re also playing at clemson tonight b/c they’re winning big.
I had to put my son to bed early tonight because I didn’t want to tramatize and scar him for life having to watch this team “play”.
He just has no idea the lifetime of pain he’s getting into having to grow up a State Fan…and he’s not even 2 yet. Poor kid.
How the hell does Fergie not start the 2nd half?!? Jesus, Sid. What does this kid have to do?
uh-oh. tferg starts the half on the bench
javi showing flashes, i like this kid.
^
now if only javi could make WIDE OPEN threes
Bran-
Sf59= Starflyer 59 yes
Ferguson not starting in the 2nd half is a disservice, but at least fells isn’t totally sucking.
fells on FIAARRRRRRR
Starters playing better, but I still think Ferg should have started the half. Doesn’t matter much, the starters will foul out in about 5 minutes at this rate.
This referee crew is getting no comments from Barakat. How wonderful. The former head of officials finds no missed calls so far. Ridiculous.
Now that’s us in a nutshell. Cut it to 2, then give up an easy putback, then turn it over withan offensive foul.
Fells is heating up.
Maybe if Trevor’s full court shot had gone in he would have started the half.
Why doen’t Fells drive like that all the time? Still needs to finish much stronger.
lol someone at the game is yelling “WE WANT FERGY!” I don’t blame them. I want to see more of this phoenix myself.
Guys, I gotta say thanks for the laughs.
I came home at halftime after going out to dinner on “date night” with the wife. It’s on ESPNU anyway, so I can’t watch, and I used this thread to get caught up.
The well-justified cynicism is priceless… I have no doubt that we have the most creative (and yes - knowledgeable) fans around, particularly when things are bad. We’ve got plenty of practice in the “when things are bad” arena.
is fergie in tim wells seat???
Fells has used up his good 3 minutes - time to put Ferg back in!
Suggestion: Instead of playing Johnson… why not Ferguson.
fergie is the freakin man
I was one of the yellers. He comes in, promply gets 2 assists (albeit awkward ones). There’s even a slow white guy in for him to guard!
score??? i’m in a meeting in idaho—out of touch with civilization as we know it
how did MJ get a D1 scholarship… thats some scary evaluation there from both us and Tenn
Well, Sidney must have heard half of what I said, he put in Ferguson for Horner… Fells at the 3 spot. Lets see how this works.
Our guys are getting held left and right with no calls and all we have to do is touch a FS player for the whistle. I know it probably wouldn’t have made a difference this year, but some of these refs have got to be on the take. The only question is who the hell would be betting on this game to begin with?
44-38
Johnson gets faked off his feet even easier and more frequently than Hickson. It’s like clockwork.
FSU 44
NCSU 38
agred on Ferg over Johnson.
bjd95—thanks—fergie as our main man!—shades of vinny del negro???
I think Sid’s stategy is to have us bite the first move. Our defense is so bad why would anyone waste their energy using a pump fake?
If i were a pg with 2 legs, i would drool over playing NC State
can we even play defense?
sf59 - Johnson got TWO D-1 scholarships.
We’re officially the dumbasses on that one. Fool me once…
44-52 9+ minutes left
“If i were a pg with 2 legs, i would drool over playing NC State”
two legs is about the only requirment. I would take a one armed PG that could dribble and pass. Technically we have one now in MJ
Rick - no.
Whoah - Sid gettin in the face of JJ there, not happy about the effort on D apparently
JJ has a lot to learn on defense… a whole lot…so maybe the he will fit the NBA just fine
We’re shooting 54% on three’s and getting waxed.
That’s not easy to do.
Johnson must have heard that, he just made a nice move to the basket for 2 points. I still say he’d make an acceptable small forward.
… and 28% on two’s.
For the second straight game.
Nice.
” I still say he’d make an acceptable small forward.”
Agreed
BJD, What?
Fergie with new career high of 12 point! Come on Pack, play some D.
This is just one Big Tease. The Wolfpack got waaaayyy down in the first half, battle back to get within 2, and will play the rest of the game down 6 just to lose by 12.
That’d be one VERY small forward, Trip…
It sounds like Tracy Smith is also playing hard and well.
49-52. Come on Pack!
MJ isn’t exactly tiny. Grant is 6′7 at 210, MJ is 6′5 at 205.
Trevor, Tracy, and MJ. They seem to at least give a shit!
i want fergie to launch once he crosses have court just as a heat check
We keep hitting the “almost there” wall
Rick - answering your ? re defense. We definitely can’t.
Trip - I guess the “jump shot” from the rib cage makes him look shorter, as a typical carnie would be able to swat him into the 3rd row.
gotcha
It was supposed to be retorical
harris getting any time? he’ll bust his ass too—find five who will play hard—every possession—the hell with it after that—go pack!
At least there won’t be overtime. It is a school night, after all.
I am glad my wife makes me turn it back to American Idol.
8 points. 7 to go. Kistler Principle kicks in.
Ballgame.
Not even Trev can save us now.
(Rick - I haven’t watched a minute, and it’s much more enjoyable this way. Chicks on Idol are on our TV till 9.)
One problem Ferg has is putting the ball on the deck in traffic. He’s just not athletic enough to dribble through traffic. Otherwise if the rest of the team played with half his effort, we’d be a much happier group of fans.
It sounds like we are falling apart.
right back to where we started
What is the kistler principle?
(chorus) are you ready for self-destruction, are you ready for self-destruction
I like to answer rhetorical questions. They are easier.
done for the night?