Best idea ever. Second that motion. I instantly get a negative feeling when seeing black unis. It reminds me of last year's Duke game at Cameron and I am trying with all my heart to have a mental block of that game.

I concur! I am thinking the exact same thing. Glad to see a thread specifically about this.
Someone should notify Adidas to never, ever again send us black uniforms. Send 'em to a 3rd world country, like they do the losers of super bowls, world series & stanley cup teams.
The solid red ones are ok. We won in those!

Do not like the black unis.

Yes, Bring back the camp out around Reynolds for next years Unx game. Celebrate with a bonfire where any black uniform is thrown into. Since when has Blank been something you use to celebrate? It's a color for funerals for a reason. And yesterday we played like we were thinking of one. There are only two colors for each school, and ours are Red and White.

No strong opinion on 'em here.
Count our blessings we don't have highlighter, or grey, or a giant block S on our chest

I think I'm alone in this but I like the black uni's. they have a darth vader feel to them. I just wish we happened to win while wearing them.

I don't have a strong opinion either way, but did want to say that we beat Clemson in them this year at home. We didn't play great, but just didn't want the myth to perpetuate that we'd never won in them, which I think I also read on the main site.

+1000 for NO MORE BLACK....

....unless you put Blue on those Black unis....
... which is exactly what WE ALL were after yesterday's attempted One Man Show in Orange County.....

I like the black uniforms quite a lot. We should wear them more often. Shows what you guys know!!!

The only problem is we only wear them for "big" games, which we usually lose. That's why you guys don't like them, we lose when we wear them. That's why if we wear them more often when we win you will learn to love them and associate them with winning! WINNING!!!

Black is NOT our school color and color of uniform has nothing to do with lack of defense.

High,
Most folks know that I created the LBSTI (Light Blue Shirt & Tie Index) and have reams or maybe GIGS of data to support how all of our stats (incl W & L) improve when the coaching staff wears white shirts and red (or red and X color) ties. It is a predictable as Greg Fishel's Fearless Forecasts that go 10 days out....

Yesterday, the INDEX failed in it's correlation.

I pesonally am ambivalent about the black uni's.....and someone told me that when I spoke of their color and "impact" on our confidence at upcoming BBQ's with folks wearing light blue undies, that I would get my just reward for seemingly "liking" them. I only own ONE NCSU logo item that is black and I have worn that pullover "V" neck jacket to a lot of games.....which we generally won.

I can also understand exorcising our team and would contribute to any Big Bad VooDoo Daddy celebration that would TOTALLY ensure that yesterday's performance would NOT be repeated.

However, I will cite some comments that Gott made about them. First, they are the TEAM's Favorite and THEY love them. They are allowed, sometimes to have a say or vote on the uni's.....but in the Gott Democracy, all votes might not have equal weight.

I have NO insight or insider info on the decision to wear BLACK yesterday. I was betting on the Red bottoms and the RED Jimmy V. Nets tops....as a matter of fact, I have one of the "T"'s and wore that. It had served me well on many occassions.....but again, the T was NOT having it's usual impact. Coincidentially.....will have to research this and do extensive field testing.....it also has the number "5" on it. That was the ONLY number that the Go Pack Store had....

SO, burning the Blacks on the Bricks (ala 1983) might be a good ritual....complete with black crows (the kind that raid my bird feeder....not the rock group) and any sort of VooDoo practices....again, I would attend if it there was statistical significance to the ritual...

Have a happy HIGH.....

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I guess nobody told Tuffy that black isn't a good color to use for NC State.

Black is not the predominant color in any of those pictures,. nor is it official school colors...High 4000 plus infinity, WV Wolf gets sentenced to Stumptown, WV for a weekend...

I did forget about that black NCSU vest with the wuffie logo that I happened to wear this week..Blame it on me too!

Dale, Jr has won squat either since he gave up the Red and White!

Ok, all of you "so called" scientific whiz kids? Is black a color? I know the alternatives and the majority answer...Do you?

I remember exactly when we broke out the Black Uniforms for the very first time.

It was the '99-2000 season. We were playing Maryland. And ... the announcers of the game made a big deal about it.

It was supposed to be HUGE. The players were all looking forward to this match-up.

This was supposed to be the big turning point in the Sendek era. With Big Men Kenny Inge and Damon Thorton, and led by point guard Justin Gainey, we were on the way to finally putting away misery and returning to the NCAA Tournament. Well ... you can imagine what happened.

With a large lead, we started to get rattled. We started to (in typical Sendek fashion) become rattled and quickly let the lead slip away.

The final outcome was sealed when, clinging to a five point lead, Thorton was called for an offensive foul and opted to turn around and express his frustration by slamming the ball down. It really wasn't that bad of a slam either. But, in usual Karl Hess/Ted Valentine/Jaimie Luckie fashion, Thorton picked up a technical. As you can imagine, we lost that game in dramatic fashion.

A mid-season meltdown of epic proportions ensued. A promising season spiraled out of control. And ... we once again went on a losing streak which relegated us to the NIT.

Every time we have broken out those black uniforms since, I am reminded of that game. I'm reminded of the epic meltdown. And ... I know its going to be bad.

I knew as soon as Pack Pride tweeted out the black uniforms two hours before game time it was all over. We were destined to lose the game.

So, add me to the list of people willing to burn the things!

Anyone else remember that game 13 years ago?

High,

For your consideration and further edification (or education)......I found this. If you decide that BLACK is not a color, then you will, after reading this, also have to surmise that WHITE is not a color. Therefore, you will have to change the thread title to we are the RED color team...

PS....I did NOT wear my black pullover. I was in full battle regailia... BRIGHT RED in the following....T shirt (logo), underwear, outer shirt, belt (logo), socks (logo - but my silk liner socks were white). Black Jeans, which are the one that I wear to PNC and a red (really bright) raincoat. I also had on a logo'ed BB Scarf.....THAT should have been sufficient to apease the color gods....not that I am superstitious....I love red and hate LIGHT BLUE. We had a buddy in Sanford that was a big time and I mean BIG TIME UNC supporter. His old Kaman Ghia was black and needed painting. Several folks kicked in and got the body shop to paint it for him.....RED. He had picked out Carolina Blue and they were there when he came to pick it up. It was later repainted.....we still kid him about it....one of the most competitive individuals that I have ever known.....never gives up.....

"Black is the color of objects that do not reflect light in any part of the visible spectrum.

Scientifically, a black object absorbs all the colors of the visible spectrum and reflects none of them. This is sometimes confused with black being called 'a mixture of all colors', but that is not the case. In fact, an object emitting or reflecting all colors is perceived as white. Sometimes black is described as an "achromatic color"; in practice, black can be considered a color, e.g., the black cat or black paint."

"White is the combination of all the colors of the visible light spectrum.[1]. It is sometimes described as an achromatic color, like black.

White is technically achromatic, and not a color, since it has no hue. The impression of white light can be created by mixing appropriate intensities of the primary colors of light — red, green and blue — a process called additive mixing, but the illumination provided by this technique has significant differences from that produced by incandescence.

In nature, the color white results when transparent fibers, particles, or droplets are in a transparent matrix of a substantially different refractive index. Examples include classic "white" substances such as sugar, foam, pure sand or snow, cotton, clouds, milk, etc. Crystal boundaries and imperfections can also make otherwise transparent materials white, as in the case of milky quartz or the microcrystalline structure of a seashell. This is also true for artificial paints and pigments, where the color white results when finely divided transparent material of a high refractive index is suspended in a contrasting binder. Typically paints contain calcium carbonate and/or synthetic rutile with no other pigments if a white color is desired."
Source(s):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White

Ok, now go to the tie breaker...and black is not a color...It really is "nothingness"..Get it? NADA, NOTHING...But thugs think it is cool? Get it??

Would you be also pleased with purple. gold, brown? Wolves "poop" brown, ya know? IBM thought dark blue was a "power color" which was a big chuckle also.

The answer:
1. Black is not a color; a black object absorbs all the colors of the visible spectrum and reflects none of them to the eyes.


The grey area about black:

• [*=1]A black object may look black, but, technically, it may still be reflecting some light. For example, a black pigment results from a combination of several pigments that collectively absorb most colors. If appropriate proportions of three primary pigments are mixed, the result reflects so little light as to be called "black." In reality, what appears to be black may be reflecting some light.
  [*=1]In physics, a black body is a perfect absorber of light.

2. White is a color. White reflects all the colors of the visible light spectrum to the eyes.

WOW, HS.....that is a pretty scientific answer from a person who's profession is not noted for advanced scientific discoveries.....Well, I would say that SOME in your profession are noted for their advanced mathematical skills and formulas.....I think one of them advised our ex Coach Lowe...



Try this one for size....

Here is the link....as I always have sources for my infomation....other that that massive HD in my head that occassionally has a File Allocation Table or FAT (not my rear) error

http://www.colormatters.com/color-an...d-white-colors

1. Black is a color. (Chemists will confirm this!)

Explanation:

Here's a simple way to show how black is made: Combine all three primary colors (red yellow and blue) using a liquid paint or you even food coloring. You won't get a jet black, but the point will be clear. The history of black pigments includes charcoal, iron metals, and other chemicals as the source of black paints.
Resource: History of Pigments

Therefore, if someone argues that black is the absence of color, you can reply, “What is in a tube of black paint?” However, you must add the fact that black is a color when you are referring to the color of pigments and the coloring agents of tangible objects.

2. White is not a color. ... but .... in some cases you could say that white is a color.




Hope this clears it up.....now on to DT's explanation of WHY the 1975 team did not excell to the prognostications of the press.....HINT.....there will be a similar post morteum written about the 2013 team....if it is not already in the word processor....

Don't like the black uniforms - remind me of damn texas tech. They also didn't look good to me on TV.

"now on to DT's explanation of WHY the 1975 team did not excell to the prognostications of the press"

3 words. No Tommy Burleson.

I've never read the book "Skywalker", but my guess is there were "chemistry" issues between some of the returning players and Mr. Carr.

So is black a color? Is white? Like so many things in science, the appropriate answer is likely "it depends." Variations in color, at some level, are always accomplished by mixing primary colors in various ratios. What you get depends on what it is that you're mixing. Mixing primary colors of light results in additive color mixing, and in this domain, the absence of all primary colors yields black. When mixing primary colors of pigments results in subtractive color mixing, and in this domain, the absence of all primary colors yields white. The rules (and the results) for each are very different.

Given the original context for the this thread, I would assume that the domain under discussion is coloration of textile substrates using subtractive mixing of primary dyestuff colorants. So in this case, "black" is the color that results from mixing all three primary colors in equally high concentrations. "White" is the absence of color.

Color, like basketball, is never as easy nor as predictable as we would like.

As much as we'd like to discuss the black uniforms (which I like by the way), I think we all need to admit that regardless of color, CJL needed to actually show up for the game for us to win.

Yawnburger on the uniforn color thing....again. The black unis are fine. If they would just play some good basketball for a change and stop being major underachievers, then we'd all be happier. But that's not going to happen, is it? Nope.

This one was on me. I have worked hard this season to find the right combination of shirt, shorts, and viewing location to make sure we have the proper karma. I went to the BBQ Cook-Off and switched to a different NC State shirt. I knew when the score finally updated at the 4:58 mark that I had done us in. It won't happen again.

Love the black uniforms...hope they become a staple

I like the black unis.

"Yanking chains" is fun when one is bored!!!

Bet none of you who like black are over the age of 30...

Black uni's = rappers, Viet Cong, thugs..None of which I have any adoration of ...

You do realize that most of the hockey teams wear white as their home jerseys for the first half of the year(the "White Cowboy Hat"), then change to the "black or other color") for the second half(the Bad Cowboy with the Black hat")..

You found the same reference I did, Adventuroo...You forget my two years in aerospace...I also took chemistry and I absorbed textile chemistry from my roomie of two years...

Did you ever see Roy Rogers, Gene Autry wear black? Yea, Hoppy did, but I expect most on this site don't even know who I'm talking about..

Dang, WV, did my post about Stumptown disappear? Or are you still looking on a map?? LOL!! One of my former tax partners was famous in Stumptown cause his last name was Stump!!

Let me put this in Black and White, as there sure wasn't anyone in here closer to the '75 team.

1.Kenny Carr was a full on accepted new teammie, as was Bobo Jackson.
2.We split w/ UMd and UN*x during the regular season, and beat UMd in the semis without Burl.
3.DT played 39 minutes, through tired, cramped legs.
4. State suffered 3 technicals and severe first half foul troubles at the hands of Hank Nichols in a 4 pt; Phil Ford led, four corner, exasperating loss in the finals.

* Beach Bum Bill intimates a Platinum blond in there somewhere, that I do not recall at all.

We wore Red and White, with Navy piping.

MR. Dog .... . the 'platinum' blond .... whatever her name was...... ( I do know is was not one named BW from Benson...)... was rumored to be the 'cause of those infamous cramps.....not the 39 minutes.....

... those were the 'days'.....

39 here... I really like the look of the black unis... game outcomes not so much.

Like coach said on his radio show last night: (paraphrased) "If we are winning games in the black uniforms, everybody might like them better."

He stated something to the effect of: he is 'ok' with wearing them occasionally, since the players and recruits like them.

Maybe they ought to just wear the black uniforms for games they expect to lose. That way we could blame those losses on the uniforms.

Come on, you wanna go and ruin everything? Myth-perpetuating is one of the pillars of the world. Without it, many intelligent people would surely not be so intelligent. Just think of it; I don't have to be right about anything; I just have to get enough people to repeat it.

Gott addressed the black uni issue on his show.

Tony Haynes brought it up, I believe from a fan question, and intimated that there were many fans who submitted inquiries regarding the black unis, and that most were "hostile" in nature.

Gott's response was simple. Our players like 'em, our recruits like 'em. We'll continue to wear 'em at times...when the kids want to.

I like them.

If the kids/recruits like them, keep em coming.

I think you old farts can get over 1 game a year in black.

Whoa, Pack Leader, this senior may have occasional flatulence, but I don't despise or denigrate the Black Uni's. I did do some limited (2 click) research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulence

Unless you have olfactory evidence of High's supposed socially unacceptable habits, then he is just expressing his opinion.

I am quite ambivalent about it and tend to agree with Coach's comments last night. The team WANTED to wear them.....the Coaches thought it would work....I doubt that ANY coach muttered, GO AHEAD, but don't blame ME when you lose.

I personally am more concerned that my regaled and reliable LBSTI failed in it's prediction. It has impeccable correlation....so much so, that it had potential for use as a PICK 4 Lotto tool.

OK.....High, since I done defended your honor (notice that I did NOT comment on the impact of consuming copious amounts of brewed hops on the quality, quantity and H2S concentration of such).....I too, had lofty goals during my formative Freshman, Sophmore, Sophmore/Junior, Junior and Senior years. I started out in the elite EE field.....only to have my hopes dashed of playing around with stereos, PA systems, car radios, and other electrical oddities that PS and MI ran articles on. Seems like they wanted me to take MA 102, 201, 202 & 301 plus a 4XX elective. Ditto for Chemistry....CH 105 and 107. My other cohorts in ME and CE and AE and more "mundane" pursuits were in CH 101 and 103. I then "revisited" EE 202 again and finally evolved into EO/PTO. I got my BS (was honor roll for 3 semesters) and was GLAD to have it. I also took a LOT of EC courses (personnel management, accounting, etc.) not to mention a wild fling in psychology - ended up with 158 hours for a degree which required 120 - 130.
I too, have some science in my background....and did more "pure" engineering than I every thought I would in my 38 years of gainful employment.....

Glad of a person that started out in the sciences also found a noble and esteemed profession......

As a final, hopefully, but to those who do NOT like my ramblings.....Don't get your hopes up.....COMMENT....

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/bobby/blackisblack.htm

Maybe you ought to read the lyrics.....as I see it, there are some wisdoms of wit here......I think that "BABY" in the Los Bravos tune is ole' "MO" (feminine of course)....and when we don't see her, then we do see that UGLY BLUE!

Maybe the black uniforms are CJ Leslie's kryptonite.

Well, that's 3 over 30...LOL! Must have screened out the rest...

You da man, Adventuroo! You have suffered in the "Wilderness of the Engineering Department at State". That's enough punishment and hell for any individual to endure in one lifetime! LOL!

You can really create a disturbance here when you get the Physicists and Chemists arguing amongst themselves over "black and white". I'll bet the esteemed deceased NCSU Chemistry Professor Johnston could clear this up in one 50 minute class period while pausing to say "Uh" at least 9 times per minute.

After my last colonoscopy, I had to stay an extra 10 minutes because of "lack of flatulence" which is extremely odd after that procedure. My wife was really confused cause that has never happened!

It's not the color of the uniforms, it's the losses which you young "poots" seem to think is acceptable...Maybe letting the "young'un's" do their thing is the problem. I'll accept pink if they'll play like a team instead of individual players worrying about there "uniform" color. There is a reason that "black is the vogue" color though..They think it makes them look "bad"..It does...it makes them look like bad basketball players wearing black!

BTW, "not liking black uniforms" is my opinion, but I'm not the only person who has ever considered "why"...


http://www.psych.cornell.edu/sec/pub...0Gilo%2088.pdf

The engineers should like this one..It's got charts and graphs..

As I have said here before under my now defunct name I do not like the black unis. However if the team actually performs when wearing those unis I could have my attitude adjusted. So far not in any danger of that.

Oh, now I get it, the thread is about uniform color, not color chemistry? No problem.


As I've mentioned, I'm part of the older set. Count me in the "don't give a damn" group. It's a bafflement to me that kids give a crap what the uniforms look like - but my team experience is 35 years in the past and I understand that things change.

As a fan, I truly do not give a flying...uh...crap what the uniforms look like. I want the team to play to their potential. But if it makes a difference to the players and, more importantly, to potential future players, have at it.

I'd rather wear red,
so we don't go home dead.

+1 for the someday DR

This was just one of those "stupid WTF" threads that "don't mean squat"..Just inane banner that would seem more refined if we were all in a bar drinking IPA's!!

I got 2-3 emails from younger State alum this week that don't frequent this site. All were griping about the black unis! At least it's not a generational thing, I guess.

There is a new NCAA rule that says your uniforms cannot be the same color as the field. Boise has an issue and WV might comment on the same with Marshall University. We can only hope that the grass isn't painted black..