Gottfried Could Be Gone This Week(ESPN)

Jeff Goodman finally covers the situation in Raleigh with a short article today on ESPN:

NC State coach Mark Gottfried’s tenure in Raleigh is likely coming to an end following the season, unless the Wolfpack go on a run over the next few weeks and in the ACC tournament, sources told ESPN.

“He could be gone this week, if they get pounded by North Carolina tomorrow night,” one source close to the situation told ESPN on Tuesday night.

So it seems only a late surge can save Mark Gottfried at this point. While late surges have been somewhat of a trademark of his tenure at State, one seems especially unlikely with this team as they are approaching historical lows in terms of lowest ACC winning(currently .231), most lopsided losses in a season, largest loss at Wake ever, etc…Do I have to mention the 51 pt drubbing in Chapel Hill earlier this year? Gottfried has saved previous seasons with strong finishes. But even if that happens this year, then is continually relying on late runs to salvage seasons the sign of a well run program?

The only comments Goodman has made this season publically about State on Twitter have been about our team’s lack of effort and surprisingly pity for NC State fans. In today’s article, an ACC coach commented about our team:

Yow, according to several sources, has been unhappy with the lack of effort with the current team.

“They have more than enough talent to get to the NCAA tourney,” one ACC coach told ESPN. “They just don’t play hard at all.”

Additionally, Goodman checked with at least one of his sources in regards to Archie Miller’s potential interest in taking the NC State job:

If NC State does make a coaching move, it’s likely that Dayton coach and NC State alum Archie Miller would be high atop the list, although sources told ESPN that Miller is unlikely to take the job.

So there you have it. According to Goodman’s source, Miller will not be the next head coach at NC State.

During his 6 seasons at Dayton, Archie has become college basketball’s top, young coaching candidate at a mid-major program. While the timing of our job coming open works well in that Archie is still at Dayton, it doesn’t work so well that Archie has had so much time and success at Dayton. He has positioned himself as a target for programs that are “easier” than NC State. For example, Ohio St and Indiana could come open this season as well. They are in the easier BIG and both are higher up the pecking order in their own conference. While a coach at State has to battle UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, UVA, etc….there is simply more depth and more top programs in the ACC. Archie’s salary has increased to the $2 million dollar range. He has the top program in his conference. So he can afford to wait as long as he wants.

Does that make the NC State job impossible? No. There has been plenty of talent to come through Raleigh under Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, and Mark Gottfried to compete in the upper half of the conference and become a top 25 program(I will try to quantify just how much talent those coaches have signed relative to the ACC and other programs nationally at a later point). If Archie did that at NC State, then he would essentially have a lifetime contract and a statue outside the PNC. Also with coaching changes about to occur at UNC, Duke, Syracuse, and Louisville(Archie at Louisville?) there is a window of opportunity here for our next coach.

Back to timing, hiring Archie Miller would have been more certain earlier in his tenure or while he was still an assistant at Arizona. People would have complained that he didn’t have the experience he needed. But if there is anything the people doing the hiring at NC State should have learned is that you have to indentify top coaches prior to them becoming unhireable. You can’t drag out coaching tenures based on hope of turning it around while guys like Sean Miller(Sidney Lowe search), Shaka Smart(Gottfried search), and now Archie Miller establish themselves at mid-major programs to the point that they are targets of top programs. Sean is now at Arizona and of course Shaka Smart is now at Texas. Miller is essentially on the same track. In other words, without him and his wife having graduated from NC State he likely wouldn’t consider our job at all. Now, don’t panic. There are other good candidates out there, but don’t be surprised if Archie Miller decides not to get involved with our search. We may have to indentify the next Sean/Shaka/Archie at a stage early in his career with a lot less experience. Fortunately, the data on our recruiting since the hiring of Herb Sendek suggests that whoever takes the NC State job should have enough talent to consistently compete in the top half of the ACC.

Locally, Joe Giglio penned an article largely focused on NC State’s lack of effort and defense.

The numbers paint a bleak enough of a picture without any historical context. The Wolfpack ranks No. 324, out of 351 teams, in points allowed per game (79.9) and No. 246 in 3-point FG defense (opponents make 36.1 percent of their 3s).

N.C. State has allowed 10 of its 13 ACC opponents score at least 80 points – and have lost nine of those games. The 1990-91 team is only other in school history to allow that many 80-point games in league play.

Luke Decock has an article today focused onthe program’s lack of continuity under Gottfried:

Of Gottfried’s first 12 signees at N.C. State, five transferred and two turned pro, leaving two seniors and one junior on this team, one of whom is redshirting. Last year’s recruiting class contained only two players, Maverick Rowan and Shaun Kirk. Next year’s class has only one player signed, Garner’s Thomas Allen.

There was nothing Gottfried could do about Trevor Lacey turning pro unexpectedly early, and more players transfer these days than ever before, but these departures have become endemic at N.C. State.

Plugging holes with transfers and late signees can become a sort of basketball Ponzi scheme, and eventually, as with every pyramid scheme, the bill comes due.

This season, it has.

Essentially, Goodman, Giglio, and Decock together nail the three primary reasons Gottfried has failed at NC State(lack of effort, lack of defense, and lack of continuity). Enjoy tonight’s game!

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    Jeff Goodman finally covers the situation in Raleigh with a short article today on ESPN: NC State coach Mark Gottfried’s tenure in Raleigh is likely c
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    StateRed44
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    I would say if Goodman’s source isn’t an immediate family member it’s probably not rock solid and things could change.

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    tractor57
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    End of the season? I think yes. This week? I think not.

    #117604

    VaWolf82
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    Goodman never misses an opportunity to slam State and/or State fans. If he told me it was raining, I would look outside before grabbing an umbrella.

    #117621

    TheAliasTroll
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    Just because Goodman sources say he’s unlikely to leave doesn’t mean squat. I think we’ve got more than 50% chance of landing him, personally.

    #117623

    Khan
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    Unless Miller hates NC State, we could get him if we wanted him and were able to go about it the right way. It isn’t rocket science.

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    MrPlywood
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    Newy Scruggs on NBC Sports Radio was talking up NC State and the “open” position, adamant that State can compete and that it’s a good situation for a coach who wants to compete and take on ORW and K. He reminded everyone how K started out. And he mentioned Archie, who will be on the show tomorrow. The show starts at noon EST.

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    PackofMac
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    You guys have to know that we’ll beat UNX tonight, perfect NC State stupid scenario.

    #117633

    Khan
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    POM, yes…that is what’s going to happen. Seems like it always does.

    #117638

    freshmanin83
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    Beating unc is never stupid imo.

    #117640

    13OT
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    If most Wolfpack fans want Gottfried gone, then he’ll probably survive.

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    eas
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    I agree, we will probably beat the TarHoles tonight in typical Wolfpack fashion. Don’t get me wrong as we all want to be the Holes but Gott needs to be gone at the end of the season. If we get blown out I do see him gone before the ACC tournament.

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    Whiteshoes67
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    His interview last night had the feel of someone making their last stand. He’s toast. there is no amount of inspiration that can overcome the lack of gonads and fundamentals displayed by his teams

    #117645

    freshmanin83
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    I don’t see how just beating unc would change anything. It will take more than just that win to change his eventual firing or leaving or whatever they have come up with.

    #117653

    PapaJohn
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    There’s no recovering from this death spiral.

    1. We aren’t going to beat UNC. (“but we beat Duke”) We happened to catch Duke without their coach, on an off night. They contributed to the loss as much as we contributed to the win.
    2. We are 14/12 with five games left. (“so we only have to win two for a winning regular season”) The two we have the remotest shot at winning are on the road – where we don’t win this year. The other three are UNC, UVA, and ND – front page headlines type upsets. It seems we are guaranteed another losing season.
    3. So, we have to run the table at the ACCT to make the NCAAT. There are not ANY three, or four, teams in the ACC that you could line up (much less the murderer’s row we are likely to face) that we could beat on consecutive nights. We just aren’t that tough.

    Mark your calendars, by March 12 it will be over.And we’ll be in coaching search hell.

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    StateRed44
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    Why is a coaching search hell? Some of you are true cucks.

    #117655

    tractor57
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    History says an NC State coaching search IS hell. Needed in this case but hell regardless.

    #117656

    Wulfpack
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    Why is a coaching search hell? Some of you are true cucks.

    Did you watch the last two? Maybe not hell. Comical, actually, if you have a sense of humor.

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    MrPlywood
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    IMO a win tonight would be even more evidence that the program is in disarray.

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    JeremyH
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    I have all the evidence I need, call the counselors into my chambers…

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    eas
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    I watched the interview from yesterday and agree with the making his last stand statement. He definitely knows what’s going down. He made sure to get that if we win out it will be “5 out of 6 years they have made the tournament”. That was his plug for getting his feelings out on it. Just my 2 cents but after that interview I feel more confident now that he’s toast.

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