Pack Dominated in “Our State” Bowl played in NC (+more)

The most shocking part about what happened to N.C. State on Wednesday was how predictable it turned out to be. Over the past three seasons, the Wolfpack has almost unerringly lost to above-average teams while beating below-average teams. This year, its record was perfect in that respect.

It literally started on the very first play from scrimmage where NC State’s Matt Canada called a play pass play in a torrential downpour that the Pack must’ve run more than two dozen times this year and resulted in a Mississippi State interception. Dave Huxtable’s defense then did what his defenses do best — allowed a touchdown (on the way to giving up 51 points on the day) and the route was on.

The way the loss came about was puzzling on many fronts. State started the day announcing that Reggie Gallaspy would not play due to injury, leaving the obvious conclusion for everyone being that spark-plug and crowd favorite, Jaylen Samuels, would lead the rushing attack and be supported by Nyheim Hines and maybe a little more Dakwa Nichols than we’re accustomed to seeing.

Instead, Jacoby Brissett seemed to get more of the rushing load (26 carries on the day) while ‘JaySam’ touched the ball at total of FOUR TIMES for the entire game, resulting in 53 yards on three carries and two touchdowns to go along with one catch for minus-2 yards. In addition to Samuels, Jacoby Brissett ran 26 times, Nyheim Hines rushed 13 times, Dakwa Nichols 6 times and Bra’lon Cherry once. In his post-game press conference, Coach Doeren said that State tried to get Samuels more involved in the offense but Mississippi State took away the option. I honestly don’t know what to say.

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Prescott threw for a bowl-record 380 yards and four touchdown passes. It was N.C. State’s first loss in three trips to the Charlotte bowl and fifth straight loss to an SEC team.

In the run-up to the bowl game, N.C. State coach Dave Doeren lamented about his team’s mistakes and hiccups in critical ACC losses to Louisville and Virginia Tech.

The Wolfpack spotted Mississippi State a 21-0 lead, after a pair of interceptions in the first quarter by quarterback Jacoby Brissett, but in the simplest terms, Mississippi State’s offense was just better than N.C. State’s defense.

“We just weren’t able to stop them at the end,” Doeren said.

The following is a little of ESPN’s perspective from last night:

There’s no excuse for such a slow start by NC State. After all, the Belk Bowl was practically a home game for the Wolfpack. To fall behind 21-0 early in the second quarter was inexcusable and ultimately too big of a hole to climb out from. But it’s nothing new for NC State, which ended the regular season the same way by giving up 35 points to North Carolina in the first quarter. While coach Dave Doeren appears to have the program pointed in the right direction overall, he might want to take a long look at the fact that entering the Belk Bowl, the Wolfpack was minus-1 in scoring margin in the first half of Power 5 games.

Dave Doeren is now 1-1 in bowl games at NC State. NC State has now lost five in a row to SEC teams. For this season, the Wolfpack went 0-6 against bowl eligible teams and 7-0 against all of the other teams. Put another way — State was 0-5 this season when taking the field as an underdog and 7-1 where we were favored. Additionally, I’m pretty sure that State failed to cover a single point spread in games where we were underdogs. These statistics led to pretty straight forward conclusions and analysis in this article by Luke Decock.

The most shocking part about what happened to N.C. State on Wednesday was how predictable it turned out to be. Over the past three seasons, the Wolfpack has almost unerringly lost to above-average teams while beating below-average teams. This year, its record was perfect in that respect.

The Wolfpack fell to 0-6 against bowl-eligible teams after going 7-0 against the dregs, with a 51-28 loss to Mississippi State in the Belk Bowl on Wednesday that left N.C. State’s fans with raindrops falling on their heads and cowbells ringing in their ears.

“We underachieved a little bit,” N.C. State defensive back Juston Burris said. “We could have done better. We hold ourselves to a very high standard. Seven wins, that’s not the type of team we are. We’re not a seven-win team.”

That is, unfortunately for the Wolfpack, what the only metric that matters says about the season. When you only beat bad teams and don’t beat good ones, you unavoidably end up in the neighborhood of .500 – 8-5 last season, 7-6 this season. Whatever the Mendoza Line of college football is, the Wolfpack is astride it.

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“We were competitive in every game that we played in the regular season this year without a doubt, which we weren’t the year before,” N.C. State coach Dave Doeren said. “We need to be better. We need to win some of those competitive one-possession games and be a four-quarter team. We’ve been able to do that in some games but not consistently. To take the next step, that’s our goal. Being in Year 4 with several returning starters, we have an opportunity to do that.”

If you want to dive deeper into a conversation that is tangentially related to this post, then you should also click here.

Chuck Amato won a bowl game in Charlotte.
Tom O’Brien won a bowl game in Charlotte.
Dave Doeren is going to need another try.

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  • #95621
    tjfoose1
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    Our team improved this year. We lost by less and were more consistent overall (Dave cites we were competitive which is coachspeak you guys still with me?) Those with strong critical thinking skills can understand that a team that wins/loses by a point (over the long run) is essentially equivalent to its opponent.

    I agree. It was nice to see others recognize this.

    As for basketball, I’m just an average fan. I don’t have the background, experience, and acumen that I do in football.

    #95626
    LRM
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    I see this as an example of how numbers never lie, but they never tell the whole truth, either.

    It’s certainly fair to say we improved, because we lost by less on average than 2014. But we still lost on average by two touchdowns per game (instead of on average three per game in 2014), and our only single-score loss was Louisville.

    That said, I think any talk of firing Doeren now is ridiculous. But the pressure will be evident next season. I’m curious how “improvement” Will be viewed — especially considering, because of our tougher schedule, we could be a much-improved team and still be 7-5.

    This should work itself out one way or the other next year.

    #95630
    rthomas44
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    As an old geezer, I was around for Sloan’s first years. He struggled and so did V.I am not going to offer a baseless opinion on any coach at State like all the above pseudo fans but I will say that I am a Wolfpacker and I think the programs are in good hands.

    #95638
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Agreed, LRM. All 7-5’s aren’t created equal, and only a fool would view 7-5 next year as “stagnant.”

    That said, I think the schedule will be good for us, IF we have anything in the tank. It will force our balls to drop, so to speak. We definitely won’t show up for October behind the learning curve again.

    I am somewhat in between where the angry folks and Foose are at this point. I always saw this past season as more of a “consolidation” year, and I can understand how our record ended up what it was – WITHOUT it meaning bad things for our program.

    BUT, overall…I wasn’t impressed by the overall talent level on the field at all. We looked physically overmatched far too often, and the play of our back seven was just shocking. Also, not especially encouraged by what we have coming in, certainly not in terms of “game ready” talent. This worries me.

    That said, I give Doeren AT LEAST the next two seasons, and evaluate after that. Football is a slow build.

    #95639
    wolfpack92owen
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    Agreed, LRM. All 7-5’s aren’t created equal, and only a fool would view 7-5 next year as “stagnant.”

    That said, I think the schedule will be good for us, IF we have anything in the tank. It will force our balls to drop, so to speak. We definitely won’t show up for October behind the learning curve again.

    I am somewhat in between where the angry folks and Foose are at this point. I always saw this past season as more of a “consolidation” year, and I can understand how our record ended up what it was – WITHOUT it meaning bad things for our program.

    BUT, overall…I wasn’t impressed by the overall talent level on the field at all. We looked physically overmatched far too often, and the play of our back seven was just shocking. Also, not especially encouraged by what we have coming in, certainly not in terms of “game ready” talent. This worries me.

    That said, I give Doeren AT LEAST the next two seasons, and evaluate after that. Football is a slow build.

    I would take 7-5 next season and not look back. With our schedule a 7-5 season would be tremendous progress.

    #95641
    Wulfpack
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    Agreed 7-5 would be fantastic next year. But 5-7 is more likely IMHO. I honestly do not see progress.

    #95644
    BJD95
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    I’m not really in prediction mode anymore with football. We will see what we will see. I’m willing to let it play out, with my grading pen in hand these next two seasons. This is the evaluation period that lets us know what we have in Doeren, frankly.

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