State Switching to 4-2-5 Base D

Lynchburg The News & Advance:

Virginia was not the only football team that failed to win a single ACC game last season.
Neither did North Carolina State.

The Wolfpack went 3-9 overall and 0-8 in ACC play in Dave Doeren’s first season as the team’s coach.

“We remember what last year tastes like, so we don’t want that,” defensive end Art Norman said last week at the ACC’s preseason media gathering in Greensboro, North Carolina. “That’s what kind of makes you drive harder, just so you don’t have another year like that. Everybody’s been working so much harder.”

Doeren expects his team, which returns seven starters on offense and another seven on defense, to be better this season.

“We have more depth. We have more experience,” he said. “We’ve been through some major adversity together and I think it makes you closer.”

The Wolfpack hopes a new starting quarterback will also help it win more games.

State is one of three ACC teams (along with Georgia Tech and Wake Forest) switching its base defense to a 4-2-5 nickel scheme featuring five defensive backs. State sees the 4-2-5 as a better way to stop pass-happy teams.

“There’s more three-receiver teams than there are two-back teams anymore in our league,” Doeren said. “Watching us last year, I felt like if we could’ve played tighter coverage in some situations, it would’ve helped us more — and you can’t do that when you have a linebacker on a slot receiver.”

The 4-2-5 is also a good fit for potential recruits within the state of North Carolina, said Doeren.

“There’s a lot of athletes in our state that are 5-11 to 6-2, 180 to 200 pounds that can run,” he said. “You can recruit that scheme very well in this state.”

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  • #53939

    JackWolf
    Keymaster

    Lynchburg The News & Advance: Virginia was not the only football team that failed to win a single ACC game last season. Neither did North Carolina Sta
    [See the full post at: State Switching to 4-2-5 Base D]

    #53940

    rtpack24
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    I was hoping for a 5-2-5, I thought the extra player would help a lot!

    #53942

    redcanine
    Participant

    Will this help mask our deficiencies at linebacker?

    #53943

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    Well, this acknowledges two realities:

    1) We have fuckall at LB
    2) It’s much better to dare teams to beat you running the ball than have them gash you throwing the ball downfield for 10+ YPA.

    #53946

    Wulfpack
    Participant

    It also means any team halfway decent at running it, will likely do just that against us. It is what it is.

    #53948

    tjfoose1
    Participant

    Nothing new. Was essentially our base D during TOBs last 1.5 seasons.

    #53960

    mak4dpak
    Participant

    Last year was very forgettable, but I am not going throw in the towel on the upcoming season. I will wait and see what takes place before passing judgement. Go Pack!

    #53964

    PackFamily
    Participant

    I can’t believe we didn’t run a 4-2-5 last year. It’s pretty hard to compete against the spread teams without it. Our deficiencies at LB just increase the need. Now, we just need a good rover back. I am optimistic that Rodman Noel can fill that role.

    #53965

    TheAliasTroll
    Participant

    do something

    #53967

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    ‘Foose..Now where did TOB and whoever ran the D f#ck up in the last season of theirs…D speaking

    My man, they based the 42 for exactly one half year of the best football under their regime.

    I have no clue who might break through as the Rover, none, for this year.

    However, as a spread coach, the last thing I wanna see is a guy that can take my slot receiver away and adjust to the single RB.

    It is not a sign of LB weakness. It is a sign of the spread.

    Either way, the assignments are the same as if you were in a 4-3, for the designated Rover.

    Damn, why am I feeling Deja Vu.

    #53968

    eas
    Participant

    We have had the feeling of Deja Vu for A high number of years. Groundhog Day keeps showing up every year. Then again I think we may have been running a 0-0-0 last year so may calling it a 4-2-5 will help with something.

    #53970

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    ^
    Not what I meant. It was a repeated dissertation on the 42. :)

    #53972

    tjfoose1
    Participant

    My man, they based the 42 for exactly one half year of the best football under their regime

    Yep. 2011, into’d it out in the UVA game if I remember correctly. DJ being the key cog.

    Then they go and move DJ out of his spot in 2012 and F up the talent meshing. I think I remember us having this discussion at the time. “Bonehead” and “stubborn” are two terms I think I used in describing the D coaching.

    Thought we still ran the 42 about half the time that season though, just w misplaced personnel, but my memory could be wrong.

    #53974

    mak4dpak
    Participant

    State begins practice today. Hope coach Doeren has them ready. Possible 3 wins to start the season, then the number 1 team comes to town. Wouldn’t that be an incredible upset? Not saying it is gonna happen, but what a win it would be.

    #53975

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^ It’s raining all day today… should that be considered a omen ?

    I’m sure Mr. Dog understands all these numbers and combinations….

    The only combination of numbers I understand are:

    1 $W = ‘???’;
    2 $L = ‘???’;
    3
    4 if ( $W > $L ) { $results = “Everybody is pretty damn happy!”; }
    5 else if ( $L – $W <= 2 ) { $results = “Nobody is happy… but it’s better than last year”; }
    6 else {

    29-Nov-2014 18:19:30 America/Raleigh] PHP Parse error:: ‘ undefined variable “SMH” ‘ in /home/customf9/public_html/WOLFPACK_FOOTBALL/Season_2014/results.php on line 1

    29-Nov-2014 18:19:30 America/Raleigh] PHP Parse error:: ‘ undefined variable “SMH” ‘ in /home/customf9/public_html/WOLFPACK_FOOTBALL/Season_2014/results.php on line 2

    29-Nov-2014 18:19:31 America/Raleigh] FATAL APACHE ERROR — Your SERVERS are shutting DOWN… HEADS will roll… per Dr.Deb…

    PLEASE DIAL 911 for Customer Support….

    -- bill.onthebeach
    #53976

    pakfanistan
    Participant

    The only combination of numbers I understand are:

    1 $W = ‘???’;
    2 $L = ‘???’;
    3
    4 if ( $W > $L ) { $results = “Everybody is pretty damn happy!”; }
    5 else if ( $L – $W <= 2 ) { $results = “Nobody is happy… but it’s better than last year”; }
    6 else {

    29-Nov-2014 18:19:30 America/Raleigh] PHP Parse error:: ‘ undefined variable “SMH” ‘ in /home/customf9/public_html/WOLFPACK_FOOTBALL/Season_2014/results.php on line 1

    29-Nov-2014 18:19:30 America/Raleigh] PHP Parse error:: ‘ undefined variable “SMH” ‘ in /home/customf9/public_html/WOLFPACK_FOOTBALL/Season_2014/results.php on line 2

    29-Nov-2014 18:19:31 America/Raleigh] FATAL APACHE ERROR — Your SERVERS are shutting DOWN… HEADS will roll… per Dr.Deb…

    PLEASE DIAL 911 for Customer Support….

    This isn’t commentary on you, more of a commentary on what I know about you…

    But you’re the last person I expected to post something of that nature.

    Also, PHP blows.

    "I want my ten dollars!" -Abraham Lincoln
    #53977

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Ha!!

    1 $(document).ready(function(){
    2 var degree1 = “PolySci”;
    3 var degree2 = “Business”;
    4 var university = “NC State”;
    5 var text = “…see what degrees in “+ degree1 +” and “+ degree2 +” from +” university “+ will get you ….”;
    6 var allSFNdivs = “.SFN-comments”;
    7
    8 $(allSFNdivs).each(function () {
    9 $(this).html(text);
    10 });
    11 });

    console.log(“Pak – I did write one BASIC program at NCS and took a FORTRAN class at FSU … constituting the full extent of my formal education in programming…
    and I’ll bite on your php thing…Why?
    What would you recommend as a better alternative ?”);

    -- bill.onthebeach
    #53978

    pakfanistan
    Participant

    It was written in a basement by a guy to manage his blog and has since been extended with no coherent plan and is infuriatingly inconsistent. Also, it is ubiquitous and unescapable if you want to work on web facing applications.

    I personally prefer python, perl, tcl, ruby, java, go, or anything that makes string management not a complete PITA.

    Also, to relate to this thread and not my personal beef with PHP, I didn’t think our D was as bad as our record would indicate last year. They got nearly zero support from the offense. Also, as I understand it, we would have run a 4-2-5 last year if we had the depth to support it.

    "I want my ten dollars!" -Abraham Lincoln
    #53979

    Greywolf
    Participant

    “It’s raining all day today… should that be considered a omen ?<”

    The rain held off most of the morning. Is that to considered an omen?

    Freshman Safety Germaine Pratt arrived on campus 195 lbs. is now weighing in at 230 lbs. He’s not the only one who’s added muscle/weight.

    This team is deeper, bigger and faster than last year. They’ve already fooled some experts here and I predict they will fool quite a few teams before this season’s over. I hope FSU struts into town thinking this will be a blowout win for them.

    I spend 80% of my time talking Wolfpack football. The rest, I just waste.
    #53980

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    I personally prefer… anything that makes string management not a complete PITA.

    I don’t really have any problem managing my “strings”… just put six new ones on my old “Tobacco Road” Strat the other day..

    But in all seriousness… that’s a statement that fits this topic perfectly…

    Let’s see how DD&Company manage the “first string”, the “second string” and the “third string” on both sides of the ball.

    Show us some Ws…. that’s all we want.

    -- bill.onthebeach
    #53981

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    I knew some hard talkin’ on 42 football would eventually draw out Mr. Grey.

    Love the pure optimism, as always. Nice info on Pratt…lookin’ for the word on the Vincent kid somewhere around 8/16ish.

    #53982

    pakfanistan
    Participant

    Supposedly K. Street is a monster, 285ish and not a fat 285. I’m not saying he’s in the same ballpark, but Mario Williams was listed at 290 as a senior.

    I don’t know how old this pic is, but he certainly looks the part.

    "I want my ten dollars!" -Abraham Lincoln
    #53985

    highstick
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>pakfanistan wrote:</div>
    I personally prefer… anything that makes string management not a complete PITA.

    I don’t really have any problem managing my “strings”… just put six new ones on my old “Tobacco Road” Strat the other day..

    But in all seriousness… that’s a statement that fits this topic perfectly…

    Let’s see how DD&Company manage the “first string”, the “second string” and the “third string” on both sides of the ball.

    Show us some Ws…. that’s all we want.

    You got a Strat too? Can’t say it’s a Tobacco Road, but I’ve got one too, plus a pre Fender Tacoma acoustic that’s my favorite.

    #53991

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Mr. Stick…

    Posted here… just for you…

    http://www.statefansnation.com/forums/topic/summer-doldrums-shooting-the-sh1t/page/9/#post-53990

    -- bill.onthebeach
    #53993

    redcanine
    Participant

    Being a Silver Bullet Band fan, I’m a call him “Main”. Dude’s built like a rock!

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