TJ Warren declares for NBA draft; future of NC State basketball

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Good for TJ.

Because of his emotional connection to WolfpackNation and his fantastic play he will go down as a fan favorite. Heck, in today’s ‘new world’ of college basketball he may end up as the most popular two-year player in NC State history to leave the program early. To compete for the honor of favorite two-year player ever he will have to beat out the likes of Spud Webb and Nate McMillan.

Below you will find a current scholarship configuration of the NC State program. It appears that Coach Gottfried’s program is mired in a cycle of ‘perpetual youth’ as every year a couple of key players that would be contributing upper-classmen choose to leave the program. It is interesting that the only juniors and seniors currently in the NC State program are players who have transferred into the program in recent years as all of Gottfried’s first recruiting class has left west Raleigh.

This year’s DeShawn Painter is Tyler Lewis — an experienced, contributing player that knows the system and the team and can be counted on to deliver. Best as I can tell, if we need anything for next season it would be an “Alex Johnson” type of transfer of an experienced point guard who can be relied upon to contribute as needed and even start in the event that Cat Barber got injured. Additionally, the loss of Lewis now means that the coaching staff MUST recruit a top point guard in next year’s recruiting class.

You should check out some of BJD’s comments from last week linked here. Relevant and great stuff.

I think that’s workable. You have 3 guards, 3 wings, and 4 low-post players (with some overlap into other position groups as need/matchups may dictate). That’s a pretty good distribution, deep enough to handle fouls/illnesses/injuries without being a sure recipe for discontent. I most certainly DO NOT think we could easily absorb another transfer, however.

Another Alex Johnson would be a welcome addition, though. Devonte Graham, maybe?

Current 2014-2015 NC State Basketball Program Configuration

Senior Class
(1) Ralston Turner (Wing) – transfer from LSU sat out 2012-2103
(2) Desmond Lee (2G) – JUCO transfer from New Mexico Junior College

Junior Class
(3) Trevor Lacy (2G/PG) – transfer from Alabama; sitting out 2013-2014; will be a junior in 2014-2015

Sophomore Class
(4) Anthony Barber (PG)
(5) Kyle Washington (4F/5C)
(6) BeeJay Anya (4F/5C)
(7) Lennard Freeman (4F)

2014 Commits
(8) Caleb Martin (wing)
(9) Cody Martin (wing)
(10) Abdul Malik Abu (PF)
(11) Scheduled departure of Vandenberg
(12) Tyler Lewis’ transfer
(13) TJ Warren to NBA

2015 Commits
(1) Ralston Turner scholarship
(2) Desmond Lee scholarship

As Coach Gottfried said, we’ll look a lot different next year.

“If you think about the way this particular team this year needed to win it needed T.J. Warren to score a lot. Now next year… I can see our team next year being a lot more balanced,” said Gottfried.

But with a more balanced team on the horizon, losing the ACC player of the year and the team’s go-to scorer wouldn’t mean just one person has to fill Warren’s shoes.

“I think it could be a number of guys. Ralston Turner gained great confidence as the year went on,” said Gottfried. “Trevor Lacy, Desmond Lee will be better. Those inside guys [Kyle Washington and Lennard Freeman] I think they’re going to really improve, they’ve got a year under their belt and Cat [Barber's] another guy, he’s not afraid to be that guy.”

Alabama transfer Trevor Lacy had to sit out last season but practiced with the team every day. At 6′ 4″ Gottfried said the guard can play point or the off guard positions. During two seasons at Alabama Lacy averaged 9.4 points per game and 3.2 assists.

Gottfried also said that freshman forward BeeJay Anya’s ability to lose more weight will be a big thing for the team.

“If he gets down under 300 and plays at 280, he becomes a really really good player,” said Gottfried. “We gotta work hard this summer, we gotta get better. But we do have some pieces in place that are going to make it exciting.”

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  • #50920

    StateFans
    Keymaster

    Good for TJ. Because of his emotional connection to WolfpackNation and his fantastic play he will go down as a fan favorite. Heck, in today’s ‘new wor
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    #50925

    Wulfpack
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    As Coach Gottfried said, we’ll look a lot different next year.

    This is just the way it is for just about every team and we are no different. The best coaches figure out ways to keep it going in this new NCAA.

    And no, we cannot afford to lose anyone else.

    #50926

    packpowerfan
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    I think it is pretty easy to say that everyone wishes TJ well, and that whichever team takes him will get a premier scorer on the cheap. I don’t see him going higher than mid-1st; but stranger things have happened.

    #50927

    PapaWolf
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    Great for TJ! Wish him the best. Everyone has to step up next year. I think Gott’s offense works better with more balanced scoring from all postions. Hope we can deliver.

    #50929

    JeremyH
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    best of luck in the draft TJ.

    unassuming demeanor and scores seemingly effortlessly? Kevin Durant light.

    and yes we need to pursue another guard for next year. But can one of the Martin’s handle it also?

    #50935

    Pack Leader
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    CONGRATS TJ, hopefully he can sneak into the top 10, last I heard he was estimated around 13th (Suns).

    As for next year, I think Gott has done a GREAT job spacing ‘ships. Lewis transfer hurts, but not nearly as bad as Painters. At that time we had no backup to Deshawn other than DeThay (which we all know was a joke). I believe between Lee & Lacey they can share the backup PG roll, assuming ofcorse we miss on DEVONTE GRAHAM (WE WANT HIM!!!!)

    Lastly, Anya earns 1st Team All-Defense if he gets to 280 by opening day.

    #50939

    JT
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    TJ is an all-time Wolfpacker. Classy, awesome player to watch. I think he is still underrated as he goes to the NBA.

    Re. next year’s team, it looks good- potentially very good. One could see the talent starting to peek out of a lot of the youngsters; the development and greater potential was obvious. And it’s a team that really seems to be focused on TEAM. I was heartened when Cat made some comments connoting that late in the season, after Tyler had begun starting. This year Gott did a hell of a job of coaching through the season. I have higher expectations for next year than I would have thought a couple months ago.

    #50940

    ILPackfan
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    If the rising sophomores grow into their potential (judging from the latter part of this season), the Pack could be a pretty balanced team. Although I still have some concerns about ball distribution and outside shooting. But hey, I’ve had those concerns pretty much since about 1991.

    #50943

    Sweet jumper
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    Best wishes TJ. You are ready. Now go kick some ass in the NBA. I enjoyed watching both you and your dad play for the Pack.

    Some observations:

    1. Purvis sure is close to championships. He decommitted from Louisville to play at State last year and Louisville then won the national championship. He then transferred from State to UConn after his freshman year and UConn wins national championship last night during his redshirt year. I think he gets a ring as a member of UConn team. Is he the next Kemba/Shabaz? Doubt it but we will see.
    2. UConn was banned from NCAA tourney last year for graduation rate issues several years ago. UNX is giving away grades in no show classes and diplomas in no show majors for years and nobody in the media will report on this disconnect and the NCAA apparently does not give a damn.
    3. ’83 Pack was not as big a Cinderella as reported. That team won six games against teams ranked #1 at some time during the season–UVA twice, UNX twice, UNLV and Houston. When they were healthy, they could beat anyone in the nation.

    #50944

    BJD95
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    I couldn’t be more excited for Buckets, and look forward to the day when his journey is honored. A great kid and great Wolfpacker.

    I am ALSO excited for the 10 solid players (all should be on the spectrum of pretty good to very good) we will have available next year. Yeah, an 11th player in the combo guard vein (so BSW never has to be moved to the 2) would be a nice bonus. We shall see. I think it’s good for these guys to know they will have to work and step up their games, individually and as a group. No leaning on Buckets to bail us out. I think these guys will work hard for each other, and that our beloved King Hippo will step up as a vocal leader (remember, my prediction is 2nd team all-ACC, at minimum).

    With more experience and minutes, I expect Hipster/Heidi/Other Cat will contend for DPOY.

    BSW stepped up big in the game Buckets missed last season. And he was much more consistent in the “second scorer” role late. Playing at his more natural 3 position will help tremedously, as it did with original Scott Wood.

    If KW can get just a little more definition and play a tad more physical, we will have a formidable 4-man lowpost rotation, with pretty incredible skill. We will love seeing Frenchie Le Nard shoot 70+ percent from the FT line next season.

    #50945

    Pack85EE
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    Also about the 83 team, they were beating UVA when Whit got hurt. Most of the losses were while Whit was on the bench. But that allowed Ernie, Gannon and others to develop. It all came together.

    So, since Purvis is close to Championships, that means we win one during the next two years when he would have been here, right?

    #50948

    Pack85EE
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    Not sure we need another guard yet. With past discussion of Gott using a smaller bench, whether it is a pattern or symptom who knows, would an 11th player just be disgruntled. He needs a great PG and SG to come in the following year when Cat is a Jr and Lacey is a Sr.
    I would take DEVONTE GRAHAM, but does he realize he is going to be a back up for several years and may never be a full ACC caliber starter.

    #50949

    YoungWolf17
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    He needs a great PG and SG to come in the following year when Cat is a Jr and Lacey is a Sr.

    That good shooting guard you are talking about could be making his decision pretty soon. Class of 2015 4 star SG Franklin Howard is planning to make his decision pretty soon and State is in his final group of schools. Consensus is that he will pick Syracuse though.

    #50952

    DrWuffette1day
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    Congratulationsto TJ! Wish he would have stuck around to win as a top tier team but the ACC POY has to go.

    @Rodney- I am telling you for a kid that we had so much trouble getting academically qualified he is coming off as a genius choosing UCONN. Getting good advice on that front. Some kids just have a nose about teams. They have him on the roster but since he is redshirted? I wonder if he partakes. He practices with them. The kid will likely be a starter next year. He is a smart kid. I thought he was one of the brightest ones we had on the floor. He is going pro after his senior year. Interesting @ Louisville. Even with not so great attitude, the kid is a winner.

    #50953

    pakfanistan
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    If App will release Devonte Graham, he might be an option.

    "I want my ten dollars!" -Abraham Lincoln
    #50954

    golf76
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    Look for Kyle Washington to have a breakout year next year. Smart, hard worker, opportunistic, a great attitude, just needs to gain more confidence.

    #50955

    Texpack
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    BSW stepped up big in the game Buckets missed last season. And he was much more consistent in the “second scorer” role late. Playing at his more natural 3 position will help tremedously, as it did with original Scott Wood.

    Best of luck to Warren. The son of a solid Wolfpack player became a real star and he seems like a class young man to boot. I don’t think he’s ready to contribute in the NBA yet, but once he improves his shot (see Clyde Drexler) he could easily be a poor man’s KD.

    Playing BSW at the 3 puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the 4 & 5 to do almost all of the rebounding. TJ’s rebounding from the 3 spot was key to keeping us from getting totally destroyed on the boards this past season. That’s the one thing that makes me nervous about BSW at the 3. I’m not sure that KW will ever have the shot or the handles to play there but you might be able to steal some minutes by using him there for 3-4 minute stretches.

    I love this sophomore class. If Cat doesn’t bolt for the NBA after next year, we might be unreal in 15-16. I don’t think being really, really good is out of the question for 14-15.

    #50959

    RedReid
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    I hope TJ can remain as close as possible to the program. He is a guy that I really hope will continue to work on his degree. Let’s hang that Jersey as soon as possible!

    Good Luck in the NBA TJ! Make us proud!
    GO PACK!

    #50960

    mak4dpak
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    I wish he could have stayed another year, but figured this would happen. So good luck in the NBA. Guess we can focus on baseball now. After faltering for 10 games in the ACC, the baseball team seemed to find themselves in the Clemson series in SC this weekend. Watched it on TV, Sunday, and Monday, where we won, taking 2 of 3 from a good Clemson team. Hope we continue on that track, and return to the team of last year, and perhaps another CWS visit. Go Pack!

    #50961

    tuckerdorm1983
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    like there really was any doubt. Gott needs to work his magic. I liked the attitude of this years team. Gone are all the players that Lowe promised a scholarship to. It took years to rid ourselves of the cancer of the C.J. Leslie years. These are Gotts players now. Its Cat’s team. My friend said Cat is just another Ryan Harrow. I vehemently disagree. I expect to make the tournament. I expect to be in the upper half of the league probably 5 to 7 range. Turner and Lacy as a couple of sharp shooters can really stretch the defense. Hungry Hungry Hippo needs to develop his up and under move, baby hook, step back straight on shot from near the basket. Cat needs to sharpen up his threes. FOR GOD’S SAKE EVERYONE NEEDS TO SHOOT 1000 free throws everyday. Build on success. I am slip into depression until the season starts again. These long months. Maybe football can stave off depression. WTNY

    #50966

    packalum44
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    TJ would have been a fool to stay. His stock is hot. Borderline lottery and even with his return our ceiling is 6th in ACC.

    There is 90% confidence level that we will never finish ahead of the top 4 programs with Gottfried:
    1- Duke
    2- UNC
    3- Syracuse
    4- Louisville

    So TJ stays and MAYBE move up 5 spots in the draft and finish between 5th and 10th in ACC for another bubble season?

    Schools with as much or more upside potential than us next season:
    5- UVA
    6- Pittsburgh
    7- Clemson
    8- Flordia State

    Schools that will challenge us in the Gottfried era:
    9- Notre Dame
    10- Miami
    11- Wake Forest
    12- GA Tech
    13- VA Tech (this one’s sad ain’t it)

    WTF loss really isn’t a WTF b/c we don’t play D:
    14- BC

    #50968

    redisgood
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    Wow. Just wow.

    #50983

    JT
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    Christ, 44. Pessimistic much? I don’t know what the ceiling is under Gott but I know it’s higher than under any coach since V. And his teams play an aesthetically cool style. The top of the acc is tough as hell now, but if you have so little hope that we can get there or even in the conversation feel free to tune out rather than watch and expect the worst. I sure as hell don’t foresee a static stratification of the acc with State leaning towards the bottom, neither subjectively nor objectively.

    #50984

    redisgood
    Participant

    Lol. 44 is on a crusade. He’s SFN’s version of Al Sharpton, with a bit of undertaker mixed in.

    #51001

    WolfWiz11
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    I see us finishing with a better record next year. Another NCAA berth. Challenges are the norm: Dook, Syracuse, Louisville, UNX. The rest of the ACC is either in flux (like us) or not as good as us imo. Our guys really started to get it towards the end of the season, and I believe they will put the work in this summer and fall to get there.

    Proud of TJ. Ever watch The League? Well, TJ’s a class act lol. We basically knew he was gone (let’s be honest), so the guys were ready for this news.

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