BJD95 2013-14 All-ACC Hoops Selections

Good morning, all. I almost decided to be lazy and not post these this year, but we need to pass the time until Buckets rightly gets honored.

Player of the Year: TJ “Buckets” Warren, NC State

Until the last two weeks, this was an item for lively debate, with logical cases to be made all around. After the last week of play especially, you have to be a complete fool or a Dave Glenn/Barry Jacobs/Jay Bilas caliber Blue fluffer to vote for anyone else. You don’t see true greatness come around every day, and you should really stop to appreciate what Buckets is doing. He’s the best offensive player in the league by a longshot, a top 10 rebounder, and easily deserves first team all-defense honors. The only thing you can possibly hold against him is not having a twin, which would have made NC State a national title contender.

Coach of the Year: Tony Bennett, Virginia

The Cavaliers clinched sole possession of the regular season “title” more than a week before the season ended, unleashing a blitzkrieg of epic proportions on poor Syracuse. Only questionable calls down the stretch kept them from winning in Cameron, and their only other setback was a road OT loss against a fired-up Maryland squad closing out its ACC regular season history. UVA did this WITHOUT a real first-team contending player (more below), and despite their best player (Joe Harris) suffering a substantial decline on production. That spells COY, in any language.

Rookie of the Year: Jabari Parker, Duke

Duh. Not much more to add here. Also my prediction for ACCT MVP honors (see tomorrow’s ramblings).

First Team All-ACC:

TJ “Buckets” Warren, NC State
Marcus Paige, *NC
Jabari Parker, Duke
KJ McDaniels, Clemson
Lamar Patterson, Pitt

You will notice how many voters reach to put a Cavalier on this list, because a 16-2 conference champ “should” be represented. But that team is greater than the sum of its parts, and I don’t see how you bump ANY of these five with a straight face. McDaniels is widely regarded as the favorite for DPOY, and is 5th in scoring (conference games only). Defense counts in all-ACC voting, too – or at least it should.

Second Team All-ACC:

Olivier Hanlan, Boston College
Tyler Ennis, Syracuse
CJ Fair, Syracuse
Rodney Hood, Duke
Malcolm Brogdon, Virginia

Hanlan is going to be short-changed on a lot of ballots…but not mine. Great player on a putrid team. Next are the Syracuse twins (in terms of production, and inconsistency which kept them off the first team), Duke’s second killer option and finally, your first Cavalier. Yeah, I got all the way to 10 before I even seriously considered one. I spit coffee every time I read a ballot with McAdoo on the second team. He f-cking sucks.

Third Team All-ACC:

Dez Wells, Maryland
Daniel Miller, Georgia Tech
Aaron Thomas, Florida State
Okaro White, Florida State
Joe Harris, Virginia

Here’s where it gets difficult. There’s a HUGE dropoff in quality after #10, and you can make an argument for an endless number of players for the third team. But I’m going with these schmucks, and I believe my picks are quasi-defensible.

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  • #45115

    BJD95
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    Good morning, all. I almost decided to be lazy and not post these this year, but we need to pass the time until Buckets rightly gets honored.

    Player of the Year: TJ “Buckets” Warren, NC State

    Until the last two weeks, this was an item for lively debate, with logical cases to be made all around.

    [See the full post at: BJD95 2013-14 All-ACC Hoops Selections]

    #45125

    state73
    Participant

    TJ WARREN THE MAN!

    #45133

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    Beej, your 1st team selection is exactly how I have it.

    Pretty work.

    #45135

    MISTA WOLF
    Participant

    1st team is spot on. Anyone different and we should march with pitchforks. 3rd team of course is iffy. I think I would put Eric Atkins(ND) on the list for the things he has accomplished with that deplorable squad. There is no way in hell only one UNC player makes it on the list. Mackondudes (McAdoo) will be 3rd team I’m afraid, with his grotesque, puberty sprouting, alopecia beard.

    #45136

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I checked with a Hole fan friend, and he agrees that Tokoto or McDonald is their 2nd most important guy, and he didn’t have them (or JMM) on the third team, either. He argued for Rion Brown and Akil Mitchell over Okaro White and Joe Harris.

    #45138

    MISTA WOLF
    Participant

    I forgot about Rion Brown. He has been Miami’s TJ Warren. Just like us, without him their easily looking at 5 to 7 less wins.

    #45139

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I ended up putting both Seminoles on the 3rd team because I couldn’t really distinguish between the two. So…mostly a cop-out. But shit, third team is always hard thinking.

    #45141

    maverick_ncsu
    Participant

    Do you guys agree with GOTT that because of the size of the league, we should be looking at 10 guys for first team? Would that make it too much less of an honor? I’m not sure it would some years, but then others it would, so I’m torn.

    I am trying to think about that it wasn’t that long ago that there were about half as many teams, so proportionately, 10 could make sense. What do you think?

    #45143

    BJD95
    Keymaster

    No, a team still just has five guys on it. Perhaps it just means more to make the second team now. But I still see a clear delineation between players 1-5 and 6-10. The more salient argument would be whether to add “4th team” honors. But that’s harder on me, so I vote no.

    #45144

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    We don’t care how hard you have to work, but I don’t see the need for a 4th team. But adding a 4th team makes alot more sense than 10 first-teamers.

    #45165

    Rick
    Keymaster

    This is the first time in over 30 years I have not watched enough basketball to be able to make an argument for a first team.

    I prefer to spend time watching something less scripted like reality TV.

    #45167

    Texpack
    Participant

    So the press release that lists Warren on the first team shows his school as Maryland. UFB.

    #45170

    Rick
    Keymaster

    Sporting news has both Paige and Parker higher in the AA than Warren.
    I am telling you boys the ACC is not going to let a Blue lose the POY vote.

    #45172

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    All-ACC in
    Warren 77
    Parker 77
    Paige 69
    Fair 47
    McDaniel 46

    #45173

    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Holy smokes!

    #45174

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    ^Our election analysis here looks very impressive for CUZ’s POY chances…

    The eight votes Paige did not get combined with the odd number he did get translates like this….

    1. First the 69.. Those are virtually 100& of the “true blue voters”… who all voted for Paige plus everybody else that also voted Paige 1st team. The “true blue voters” might be 20 – 25 in of this group of 69…. based on MacAdon’t’s number of votes…

    Very few of the “true blue voters” will vote for any Dookie for POY… big advantage to CUZ…

    2. Split the rest of the 69 plus the 8 that did NOT vote for Paige 1st team…more or less evenly … advantage CUZ as there is no advantage to Parker…

    3. Still got the odd number… cause 77 cannot be split mathematically into whole votes –50/50 — Odd Number goes to CUZ… ’cause I said so…

    To make up the difference from #2 && #3 — the split would need to be at least 2/3 Parker — 1/3 CUZ or higher….

    It’s really hard to see this happening… unless 70-80% of the votes were cast early… that is… before 6:00pm est last night…

    Ironically… It’s the ‘true blue voters’ who will swing the election to CUZ…

    #ForEighteenYears? #WeGottDis.pack! #STATEment
    #45175

    Rick
    Keymaster

    ^Our election analysis here looks very impressive for CUZ’s POY chances…

    The eight votes Paige did not get combined with the odd number he did get translates like this….

    1. First the 69.. Those are virtually 100& of the “true blue voters”… who all voted for Paige plus everybody else. The “true blue voters” might be 20 – 25 in of this group of 69.

    Very few of the “true blue voters” will vote for any Dookie for POY… big advantage to CUZ…

    2. Split the rest of the 69 plus the 8 that did NOT vote for Paige 1st team…more or less evenly … advantage CUZ as their is no advantage to Parker… If fact … Parker could get all 8 and the outcome based on our analysis would not change.

    3. Still got the odd number… cause 69 cannot be split mathematically into whole votes –50/50 — Odd Number goes to CUZ… ’cause I said so…

    To make up the difference from #2 && #3 — the split would need to be at least 2/3 Parker — 1/3 CUZ or higher….

    It’s really hard to see this happening…

    Ironically… It’s the ‘true blue voters’ who will swing the election to CUZ…

    Bill,
    What does the 69 have to do with POY votes. Everyone who voted for Paige voted fro both TJ and Parker.

    #45177

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Very few of the “true blue voters” will vote for any Dookie for POY… big advantage to CUZ…

    To make up the difference… the split would need to be at least 2/3 Parker — 1/3 CUZ or higher….

    Sorry if I was unclear…. just re-read the post and do the math…

    The split votes are the 77 minus the 20-25 “true blue voters’.. that 52-57 votes…. more or less…

    #ForEighteenYears? #WeGottDis.pack! #STATEment
    #45178

    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Sorry if I was unclear…. just re-read the post and do the math…
    and highlight these….

    1. Very few of the “true blue voters” will vote for any Dookie for POY… big advantage to CUZ…

    2. To make up the difference… the split would need to be at least 2/3 Parker — 1/3 CUZ or higher….

    3. The split votes are the 77 minus the 20-25 “true blue voters’.. that 52-57 votes…. more or less…

    #ForEighteenYears? #WeGottDis.pack! #STATEment
    #45179

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    There are 6 bonified skunks.

    Hood got 4 votes, and McAdoo received 2

    #45180

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    Or should I say at a minimum,four.

    #45181

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    Here’s how the coaches see it in total 1st,2nd,3rd votes

    Parker 42
    Warren 41
    Paige 40
    Fair 39
    Brogden 35

    #45182

    TheCOWDOG
    Participant

    ^
    Who left him off the 1st team?

    My guess would be Bennet.

    #45183

    compsciwolf
    Participant

    Here’s how the coaches see it in total 1st,2nd,3rd votes
    Parker 42
    Warren 41
    Paige 40
    Fair 39
    Brogden 35

    Note that Parker was a unanimous selection. So one person opted not to select Warren to the first team all ACC but instead placed him on the second team. Wish I knew who that was.

    #45184

    Wufpacker
    Keymaster

    ^^
    Parker unanimous.
    Buckets not.
    Interesting.

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