UCLA Beat Writer: Gottfried a target

There’s just not a lot of info floating around on the UCLA coaching search. But, I’m also not scouring UCLA message boards (nor SFN’s peer boards, either).

What’s most interesting to me in this search is that UCLA has always been widely considered a career destination job, and is easily one of the five best coaching jobs in college basketball, yet the Bruins appear spurned by some of the same folks that State missed on two years ago. Many folks agree it’s simply easier — and far less stressful — to win big at VCU or, more specifically, Butler, which will shed the moronic mid-major moniker next season when it joins the new Big East. Besides, mid-majors are making comparable money nowadays.

Beyond the obvious Tier 1A choices of Pitino or Donovan and Tier 1B choices of Smart, Stevens and Few, Mark Gottfried seems to be getting attention (WRAL.com):

“Word is that Gottfried is one of the guys that UCLA boosters are looking at and are excited about,” UCLA beat writer Ryan Kartje told Mike Maniscalco and Mark Thomas Wednesday morning on 620 AM The Buzz.

Kartje, who covers the Bruins for the Orange County Register, granted that Gottfried is somewhat of a second choice. “The first tier that UCLA fans would like to see are guys like Billy Donovan and Rick Pitino รขโ‚ฌโ€œ guys that are probably out of their reach,” he said.

Kartje said the Bruins are also targeting Butler’s Brad Stevens, and would likely wait for him to express whether he is interested in the job before more aggressively pursuing Gottfried.

“The indications are that he (Gottfried) would absolutely listen (if approached about the job),” Kartje said. “I think if Brad Stevens isn’t in the fold, I think Mark Gottfried is maybe the lead candidate for the job.”

Of course he’d “listen.” We knew that when we hired him. “Listening” is one of the ways coaches get raises they don’t necessarily deserve. This sort of reminds me of back in 2002 when we all worried Chuck Amato would replace Bowden at Florida State or Paterno at Penn State.

Obviously (well, arguably, depending on who you ask, while mired in the fear of off-season turmoil just a few days after the disgusting loss to Temple), Gottfried has done well in his first two years at State and has the program in better shape than its been since the 80’s, and we certainly want to maintain that continuity.

However, at least some folks seem to agree that losing Gottfried to UCLA isn’t a program killer. Beyond the buyout money that will be available, Gottfried has proven in a very short time, if nothing else, that it’s not impossible to win here, and even, as daunting as this seems, win against Carolina and Duke. Call me an optimist (at least 15 people just eliminated LRM as the writer here), but maybe the timing is better to make a big-name hire now than it was two years ago — for instance, Sean Miller (or similar).

If nothing else, we should be able to finally get Rick Barnes to Raleigh, right?

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61 Responses to UCLA Beat Writer: Gottfried a target

  1. Adventuroo 03/27/2013 at 7:41 PM #

    Curiosity got the best of me…..here is what I think (maybe HighStick will confirm/correct)

    HYPOTHETICALLY speaking of course….suppose that Coach G accepts an offer and Debbie holds both feet and other pertinent portions of his body to the proverbial fire, he will immediately owe NCSU $3,750K.

    His Federal Taxes on the “payment” from UCLA to cover his little debt would be $1,485,000 (Top Fed rate – 39.6%).

    Then, assuming he is STILL a NC resident and has NOT changed residency, he will owe NC $290,625 (7.75%).

    So, his total tax, assuming that UCLA FUNDS his buyout will be $1,775,625. If UCLA decided to pay the tax on that, it will cost them $5,525,625…..now THAT is really wanting somebody.

    If UCLA does NOT pay the tax, the Coach G. will effectively give up almost a YEAR’S salary (NCSU guarantees him $1,950,000).

    If for SOME reason, he changes residency, then the CA tax would be $157,728 MORE….

    Ya’ think that his agent and accountant and attorney have NOT laid out this scenario……and Debbie probably has an app on her phone that does this.

    You gotta LOVE and WANT somebody pretty bad to lay out these bucks…..assuming that Debbie does NOT blink….and she hasn’t yet…

  2. Alpha Wolf 03/27/2013 at 7:45 PM #

    The Orange County Register is a legit newspaper in one of the more affluent areas of the greater Los Angeles, if anyone is questioning their credibility.

  3. ringo 03/27/2013 at 7:51 PM #

    Good to see the numbers Roo. Given that, I don’t see a reason for her to blink either. Seems like we’d have a chunk of change to play with and being on the upswing is a lot better than a downswing. State will be ok either way.

  4. john of sparta 03/27/2013 at 7:52 PM #

    +1 vtp. you are right.
    reps for a reason.
    molon labe.

  5. wilmwolf80 03/27/2013 at 7:53 PM #

    We all knew, or should have known, that this situation would play out just as it has if/when they fired Howland. Of course Gott would say he would be interested. Why wouldn’t he? He is in a win-win right now. His absolute worst case scenario is that he gets a raise here. A coach in his position would be stupid not to capitalize on this (and there isn’t a coach in the country in a similar position that has not done the same). i for one would think that if he ended up at UCLA, most of their supporters would consider that a failed search.

    I foresee them getting a big name, and I don’t necessarily think it will be from the college ranks. That job is about moving the needle, and while Mark may be liked by the boosters, he would not be the big time name that their fans desire.

  6. mak4dpak 03/27/2013 at 8:07 PM #

    I think Gott is staying put. I just wish he would come forward on his decision, and squash the rumor meal.

  7. 13OT 03/27/2013 at 8:14 PM #

    I don’t know if Gott will stay or go, but if he stays, it won’t be due to any lack of money from UCLA.

  8. wolfpackdawg 03/27/2013 at 8:14 PM #

    Fire Howland and hire MG? That AD would look dumber than Jed imo. It means he didn’t have a good plan before he pulled the trigger. If Gott wants the job that bad he goes if offered. Money doesn’t have much to do with it.

  9. vtpackfan 03/27/2013 at 8:14 PM #

    Just hope he wouldn’t stoop to pulling a Patsner or Cronin by announcing he decided to stay put after he turned job down (when talks between parties had never entered that level).

  10. john of sparta 03/27/2013 at 8:27 PM #

    old school BBall powers look dumb?
    it’s been DUMB before.

  11. eas 03/27/2013 at 8:49 PM #

    If Gott leaves it will be for 2 reasons

    1. UCLA is his dream job
    2. He is attracted to the “LA – Hollywood Lifestyle”
    Playing golf at the big clubs, hanging out with
    The Stars, shopping on Rodeo drive etc.

    It would take an astronomical amount of money to just break even with his current salary when all the taxes and cost of living settles. Add in the buy out of 3.75 million and UCLA would need to be in love with him (maybe they are?). So……I would say the money is probably not the deciding factor here. I say “if” they offered him the job (big if) at the same money he is making now (with the extra money added to make up for living in CA) he would probably bolt. If they offer him even more than that he certainly bolts.

    I want to keep him for sure but he just got a very nice raise and I’m not sure most would be happy if it turned into another big money bid festival in Raleigh.

  12. vtpackfan 03/27/2013 at 8:51 PM #

    I don’t understand the conclusions that dumping Howland and bringing aboard Gottfried seems absurd.

    Last coach: All defense, 50 point effort on offense the norm. Talent from SoCal ending up in places like Oregon, Zona, and UNLV fairly consistently. Doesn’t get Drew II, and Wear twins the first time-only as cast off from UNC.

    Gott: Came in and said he would run a fun, high paced style-did it. Team ranked 10th Nationally in scoring avg and his debut two year win total only bettered by Ev Case (our Wooden). Recruits with the best of them.

    All the behind the scenes innuendo that will never be stomached in the Bible Belt between here and Bama wouldn’t raise an eyebrow in LA.

  13. john of sparta 03/27/2013 at 8:59 PM #

    +1 again.
    vtpackfan gets my vote.
    Coeds Aweigh!

  14. primacyone 03/27/2013 at 9:07 PM #

    Yow is working a trade: Gottfried for Howland.

    We are 3.7 Mil to the upside as we speak.

    And we get Tony Parker!

  15. TMD11 03/27/2013 at 9:08 PM #

    Gottfried isn’t going to UCLA, and UCLA is not really a dream job…

    Nor is this college basketball 1969 or 1972 or even 1995.
    UCLA made a mistake in firing Howland, who is by most standards an excellent coach. Many universities would be glad to have the results produced by Howland.

    College basketball is at a crossroads being done in by the lacking scruples of the NBA/early exodus of college players, denying us the joys of dynasty’s, loyalty, memorable seasons… Many teams have succeeded/advanced in the NCAA Tournament because they have a core of seniors who have progressed and matured to earn the right to be there…
    Players can ditch college as a freshman or sophomore if they don’t like it, or the coach, or the system…and it hurts them/lack of development, not to mention the fans and the promise of future success in junior and senior years. (e.g. Tim Duncan, WFU).
    This combined with ‘win now or else’ mentality is a ridiculous pressure-cooker.

    Howland was fine, but UCLA can’t live in the present due to its past, nor can they enjoy a future that held tremendous promise with the current players on their roster. Blame the administration…? Blame the NBA…?
    A lack of support and appreciation…?
    UCLA is no dream job.

    Most coaches are realizing that a life without the need for blood-pressure medication is HIGHLY desirable.

  16. highstick 03/27/2013 at 9:09 PM #

    Tax analysis looks generally correct….”It’ll be what it will be” though…

    WAC and Dog, you guys speaking in “crypto”?

  17. JT 03/27/2013 at 9:20 PM #

    I’d be shocked if Gott went to UCLA, then again I’ve been shocked before. I’d have no problem at all with Lutz getting a shot, though I certainly hope Gott stays and sees the rebuilding through. Besides liking Gott a lot as a coach,
    I think he owes NC State (and Debbie Yow) more than 2 years and a buyout. I just don’t see him jumping ship, and I’m not sure what this season did for him in terms of leverage.

  18. Wulfpack 03/27/2013 at 9:44 PM #

    Howland has five Sweet 16 appearances and 3 Final Fours. Not chopped liver. The guy can coach. Gottfried can, too, which is why he is generating interest. I will be following this closely. And I am certain Yow has a plan if he bolts for Westwood. Lutz at least deserves an interview.

  19. revdmills75 03/27/2013 at 10:03 PM #

    @Mark_Gottfried: #WPN I am committed to being at @NCState for a long time Still as dedicated to rebuilding the program as I was 2 yrs ago when I arrived

  20. vtpackfan 03/27/2013 at 10:05 PM #

    Getting 2 steps ahead: Lutz as next HC guarantees two things.

    1) Three years of Tyler Lewis going full tilt as the man at Point in Red & White.
    2) Moxley, one damn fine recruiter, staying put alongside Lutz.

  21. vtpackfan 03/27/2013 at 10:08 PM #

    Well, dreams do fade away. Glad to hear Coach wants to finish some unfinished business. The Yow/Gott relationship is built on some sturdy bedrock. Wellman and Bzzzz have something sturdy but no one knows what the motive is there.

  22. primacyone 03/27/2013 at 10:11 PM #

    Tony Parker….Come on Down…

  23. TheAliasTroll 03/27/2013 at 10:12 PM #

    edit: nvm already been posted ๐Ÿ™‚

  24. choppack1 03/27/2013 at 10:13 PM #

    Glad Gott is staying. Didn’t want to deal with another coaching search at this time and he’s certainly earned the right to see what he can do with his own players.

    Lo Brown has supposedly announced he’s going pro. Best of luck to him.

  25. BorntoHowl 03/27/2013 at 10:16 PM #

    Just for kicks and giggles lets say Gott moved on to Westwood. He gets a $3.75mil signing bonus to pay off those snarling wolves. Now comes the fun part. Jerry B has implemented a 12% tax rate for those fortunate enoughto reside in the golden state which would amount to $450k and a 35% federal rate to the tune of $1.31MM. Say he gets a $2mil salary which gives him $230k left over after paying out of pocket tax. But then there’s the tax on the $2mil he earns in year one. He’ll be close to year 3 before he can qualify for a home mortgage. Things in Ralieghwood might not be so bad.

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