In Defense Of C.J. Leslie

Leslie Celebrates Win over DukeIt seems that most State fans are in agreement that this season’s basketball team (while they had a good season and expectations were perhaps a bit too high) underachieved. The other constant seems to be a lot of criticism for C.J. Leslie.

After last year’s Sweet Sixteen run, there were signs of Leslie’s maturation. There was a SI story that SFN wrote about in August that featured AD Debbie Yow’s involvement with Leslie. This was also evident when the two had a nice little moment after the Georgetown win (mentioned in this SFN entry).

Then there was the win over #1 Duke at home where Leslie scored 25 points and had a big assist after the game, rescuing wheelchair bound student Will Privette during the court storming and the pair were featured on The Today Show where he represented himself, the team and the university well.

Seems like things were going pretty well for C.J. Leslie at that point after beating the Dookies. Sure, he still had his moments here and there. But there were signs of his off-season maturation, he had scored in double figures in every game except the Oklahoma State debacle, had only fouled out of one game (OK State again), dropped 25 on the #1 team in the country and had the awareness to help out a fellow student in a sea of court stormers.

So what went wrong?

Here’s my opinion of when things changed – when Lorenzo Brown turned his ankle at UVA. With our point guard out of the lineup, I think Leslie tried way too hard to put the team on his back and completely screwed up his game. While he may not have gone about it in quite the right way, I think it’s still admirable that the guy tried to step up.

In the 3 games Brown was out of the lineup, Leslie averaged 18 points and 10.7 rebounds while shooting 57%. But, going back to my theory of trying too hard, he also averaged 4.3 turnovers per game. This is also the point in the season when it seemed like Leslie started to force the ball in the paint against double teams, resulting in turnovers and travels from switching pivot feet more than Ron Kelley. And because he was forcing the action, he wasn’t getting the benefit of the doubt from ACC officials. And we all know that ACC officials wouldn’t have any preconceived opinions on player tendencies to begin with.

So now Leslie is dealing with the team losing some games, bad habits creeping into his game and no love from the officials. And as the season went on you saw Leslie getting more and more frustrated with the officiating (as did plenty of State fans). When he starting forcing the action Leslie probably lost what little benefit of the doubt he had from ACC officials. But when legitimate fouls weren’t being called, Leslie was obviously frustrated and rightfully so.

I’ve read countless times where people complain that Leslie isn’t coachable. But it seemed to me like down the stretch, a lot of those bad habits in his game were scaled back. After a 6 turnover game in Chapel Hill (after which Coach Gottfried called him out in public), one of multiple games with 4 to 7 turnovers a game, Leslie never had more than 3 turnovers in the last 8 games of the season. He started looking for his jump shot more and going straight up with the ball more rather than picking up his dribble, switching pivot feet and forcing the ball up inside against multiple defenders. It even seemed like he cut down on the 1 or 2 obvious goaltends he would commit every game.

And even though the kid messed his game up trying too hard and then made an effort to fix some his problems, I’ve read nothing but criticism. And to be fair, he’s not free of blame on how the season ended. He could have been a little more composed with the officiating, played better defense and hit more free throws.

But I’m not sure C.J. Leslie deserves the level of criticism he’s been getting. SFN linked to a N&O story on Leslie trying to roll with the criticism. I haven’t ventured on the Pack Pride monkey boards much after the Temple game so I can only imagine what has been said there, but here on SFN (where I like to think folks have a little more common sense) I’ve read comments that if Coach Gottfried goes to UCLA he should take Leslie with him, comments that neither Leslie or Brown should be welcome back on next year’s team and plenty of people that just want him to leave.

While he absolutely has his flaws and plenty of room for improvement, C.J. Leslie is the most physically gifted NC State player in the past 20 years, an All-ACC performer putting up 15 and 7 and everybody wants to throw him out on his ear. I find that kinda sad.

Personally I want him to stay. I can’t imagine his NBA draft status has risen after this season so I’m not sure he’s ready for the pros. And if you’re like me, you’ve loved seeing Richard Howell blossom in his senior season, getting the most out of his potential. I would love to see C.J. Leslie do the same in his senior season. It’s unknown if he would ever put it all together as a senior but I’d like to see him have the opportunity.

But if I’m C.J. Leslie, I go pro. I wouldn’t blame him one bit. Why deal with no respect from the fans and the officials here in Raleigh for free when you can go get paid in the NBA.

I don’t know how many people will agree with me, based on a lot of the previous comments I’m guessing not many although I’m hoping there’s a few that agree. And I might be way off on all this, I have no knowledge of any of the team’s internal issues, I only know what I’ve seen on the court. Like Dennis Miller always said: Of course, that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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83 Responses to In Defense Of C.J. Leslie

  1. Wulfpack 03/26/2013 at 10:21 PM #

    Oh, I fully admit his attitude and lack of focus has angered me, especially that UNC debacle. Still, he is a kid, and lofty expectations were placed on him. He didn’t live up to them, became the target of criticism fairly or not, and he just didn’t handle it well. I don’t fault him for it, he may not be capable, who knows. But I do know he has immense talent that sometimes shows up and often times does not. Really not sure what that is about, and the same can be said for Gott. He was perplexed.

    I do honestly wish him the best in the NBA, but I am also excited about the future of our program. He had a tough year and maybe it s best for both if he moves on. Honestly, if he came back and performed even worse, he may not even be drafted. He will be drafted this year in what is perceived to be a very weak draft, in fact one of the weakest in a long time.

  2. Tau837 03/26/2013 at 10:56 PM #

    It’s a nobrainer to want Leslie and Brown (and all other rotation players who retain eligibility) back.

    Zo and CJ certainly had some issues this year, but they were All ACC players. It is mystifying to see fans suggest they think we are better off next year without them.

    We saw what happened this year when Brown missed time… we lost. We saw what happened this year when CJ was off… we lost. It’s pretty obvious that they were net positives for our team.

    I wish them the best if they leave, but I hope they stay.

  3. JeremyH 03/26/2013 at 11:01 PM #

    Thanks for writing this article. Educated constructive criticism is A-O-K, which the group here absolutely excels at,but..–and not to suppress any opinions here today–some folks are downright malicious towards folks like Leslie and Coach Gottfried.

  4. Tiew 03/27/2013 at 7:07 AM #

    Thanks for posting this. I get frustrated with the criticism of these kids. Basketball is in part a mental skill set. Even the best players make mistakes, and some good players might make a lot of mistakes under bad conditions. People don’t want to say, “I’m angry at this kid for not being as amazing as I want him to be,” because that is obviously ridiculous. So they imagine there is some moral flaw, like not trying hard enough, and get angry at that.

  5. DieHardPackFan 03/27/2013 at 4:38 PM #

    Thank you for the article. I think it’s safe to say that CJ is a more complicated person than people give him credit for. I was very pleased to see his hustle and intensity increase after the UNC debacle. It’s just a shame that he and the rest didn’t have Big Rich’s work ethic the entire season. We would still be playing if that were the case. I may be in the minority, but I’d like to see CJ back next year. Know that’s unlikely, but would welcome it. Go Pack!

  6. wlfpacluvr 03/28/2013 at 10:14 AM #

    starting monday on david glenn he began ripping state and
    talking about being selfish (was talking about CJ ) I get a little tired of some of these talk show host ripping a young man that tried his best to make state a great team, sometimes I think he would try to hard, but thanks CJ for your

  7. wolfpup44 03/29/2013 at 12:18 AM #

    I look at this years team in comparison to the movie “Hangover II.” The expectations were high based on “Hangover I.” But based on its own merits we had a good season, although we may have suffered a hangover from 2012’s results. CJ can do well at the next level if he works hard and listens.

  8. NOT A FAN OF BLUE 03/29/2013 at 2:48 PM #

    CJL’s 2012-2013 Stats & (NCAA Rank)
    TOs …..105 (53)
    DREB ….. 193 (55)
    TOT REB ….. 258 (100)
    PTS ….. 528 (107)
    BLKS ….. 43 (153)
    FG% ….. 51.90% (179)
    BLKS/PF ….. 0.5 (250)
    OREB ….. 65 (355)
    eFG % ….. 52.20% (401)
    DEF PLAY/PF ….. 0.895 (417)
    STLS ….. 34 (624)
    ASSTS ….. 51 (949)
    FT% ….. 61.20% (1072)
    STLS/PF ….. 0.395 (1302)
    ASTS/TO ….. 0.5 (2291)

    CJL’s Free Throws
    2013 ….. 61.20% (at times maddening, but better)
    2012 ….. 59.60%
    2011 ….. 54.20%

    CJL’s Statsheet Ranking (Overall)
    #38 in NCAA
    #10 in ACC
    #3 on NCSU (behind Big Rich and Zo)

    CJL’s SCACCHoops Ranking (Overall Efficiency)
    #77 in ACC
    Wood (#6), Lewis (#14), Warren (#25), Big Rich (#28), Zo (#31), Purvis (#56), CJL (#77)
    #7 on NCSU
    Wood (+5.6), Lewis (+2.7), Warren (+1.8), Big Rich (+1.6), Zo (+1.2), Purvis (-0.2), CJL (-1.6)

    CJL is considering leaving:
    With a #77 ACC rating in Overall Efficiency?
    With a negative Overall Efficiency Rating?
    When he is last in Overall Efficiency on his own team?

    CJL’s NBA Efficiency Rating
    2013 ….. 541 (124 in NCAA)
    2012 ….. 547
    2011 ….. 351

    Although his NBA Efficiency Rating in 2013 is much better than 2011, 2012 is his best season. After 2013, he no longer has a Top-50 rating.
    He is considering leaving early, but he is not Top-100 in NBA Efficiency Rating?

    We all know CJL’s positives and negatives. No need to re-state them here.

    Should he come back?
    As a student-athlete at NC State:
    Of course he should. After a stint in the NBA D-League, depression, repos and bankruptcy, he will need a diploma – guaranteed.
    As an individual player:
    Of course he should. He needs the work. He can continue to polish his skills. Ultimately, along with decreasing the pressure to make it, this will increase his future draft status, staying power and $.
    As a member of 2013-2014 NC State:
    Of course he should … BUT ONLY IF … a large, intimidating angel from God – wielding a big-*ss, flaming sword – appears to him, and at the first sign of NC State Sh*t, threatens to cut off vital parts … one-by-painful-one … then – and ONLY THEN – should he come back.

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