Wake Forest @ NC State

Interest and excitement for Wake Forest’s visit to Carter-Finley Stadium today appears to be at a recent year low.

I don’t think winning today gains TOom O’Brien anything. I think losing costs him his job. IMHO, the only ground he can ‘make up’ is by winning all three remaining games and the bowl game.

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33 Responses to Wake Forest @ NC State

  1. wufpup76 11/10/2012 at 12:30 PM #

    I want us to win, of course … but, meh.

  2. sequoyah 11/10/2012 at 12:37 PM #

    Winning today gets him one step closer to the Advocare 100 Independence Bowl in Shreveport, Louisiana. 2 pm, 12/28/12, mark your calendar.

  3. Dogbreath 11/10/2012 at 12:48 PM #

    I’m with Wufpup. It’s not possible to give a shit after last week’s mail-in.

  4. Wulfpack 11/10/2012 at 12:50 PM #

    Don’t care.

  5. 87stategrad 11/10/2012 at 12:53 PM #

    Getting ready to head to the game. It’s better than staying home raking leaves.

  6. old13 11/10/2012 at 1:02 PM #

    There’s a game today? Guess I’ll have to pull for the old Red and White, huh.

  7. Paramarine 11/10/2012 at 1:04 PM #

    I gave up my ticket, because my sentiments are the same. A win gives no reason for excitement; a loss would flat out disgust me.

    Decided to be more productive at home, and watch on TV. I can always turn that off.

  8. Dogbreath 11/10/2012 at 1:14 PM #

    “…Getting ready to head to the game. It’s better than staying home raking leaves.”

    Raking leaves is more enjoyable and better for your health.

  9. JohnGalt78 11/10/2012 at 1:25 PM #

    Tailgating now. Parking lot 1/2 empty. Usually full by now. We always make kickoff but are not watching the clock.

  10. WolftownVA81 11/10/2012 at 2:15 PM #

    We’re in St. Louis this week so TV is not even an option. At this point, I’m just a bystander. My interest is limited to wondering if the players try to get back the rest of their season and our long term prospects. I no longer care about the staff and any crappy bowl we may get.

  11. ncst8zr1 11/10/2012 at 2:49 PM #

    My 10 tickets are being used, but not one of them by me. I, too, decided that I had more important things to do, so I am at the office doing some catching-up. Obviously, this is against the background of some disheartening performances this year. I am glad that there are better fans than I and that they are at CF supporting the Pack. GO PACK! I am fighting the temptation to turn on the TV or radio.If we play well (and win) I will watch it later via DVR. I will be at the women’s BB game tonight. They may lose, but I know that they will play hard. Again, GO PACK!

  12. tuckerdorm1983 11/10/2012 at 7:04 PM #

    -the heels sucks,
    -uva sucks,
    -we suck and probably will go to a sucky bowl at 7-5
    -miami sucks,
    -Va Tech really sucks,
    -Duke does not suck as bad as they used to suck
    -MD is pretty sucky
    -Ga Tech sucks but not as bad as the heels
    -Wake sucks really really bad
    -FSU sucks and should really suck in their bowl game
    -CLemson is the least sucky of any of the acc teams but will not not play in the championship game
    THE ACC sucks in football

  13. NOT A FAN OF BLUE 11/10/2012 at 7:57 PM #

    With a win over Miami, Apparently UVA is better than we though (until they lose to the ‘holes at home).
    Maybe this warm-up game will give us some Offensive momentum. So, like a fine French Boureaux, let’s celebrate this win over Weak Florist; then let’s kick the dog out of Clemp-son.

  14. ADVENTUROO 11/10/2012 at 8:18 PM #

    The headline for the game should be

    “FSU” team prevent AD from pulling plug on TOB life support. TOB still in ICU.

    Even thought CL had 14 pages of tickets, the stadium looked 90% full. But there were a lot of empty spaces in some big $ lots.

    Fan enthusiasm was great today. Maybe the team’s attitude rubbed off

    Lots of negative comments at BB game last night. Do not know if they will change

  15. mak4dpak 11/10/2012 at 8:27 PM #

    So go figure we demolish WF, and lose to a UVA team last week, that in fact lost at home to WF. Not to mention unc lost to WF, also. Obviously it is not a talent problem, but a mental one, which I hold the coaches responsible for. I can’t pull against the team in their final games, but really hate the thought of TOB remaining with his present staff. We got the lead today over Wake, and I knew we were in for one boring 4th quarter. And was I ever right, just like Bible. We have know killer instinct, and Clemson may have a hey day with us next week if we are not careful. Hope Bible goes against his thinking and plays to win. Guess will shall see. Except for the UT game in Atlanta, we could be sitting with one loss on our record. But that is the world of TOB and his staff. INCONSISTENT!

  16. eas 11/10/2012 at 8:59 PM #

    I am happy we showed up today and will not go negative on the team’s effort. Good job Wolfpack!

    That being said, I must admit (I feel really bad for saying/thinking this) there was this very wrong feeling in the back of my mind that kept saying I wish the score were reversed with WF beating us bad. I know, I know, I know that is just wrong but I just feel like we are working towards another year with the current staff. Furthermore, I just don’t one any questions or arguments within the fan base on next years direction (with or without TOB). I want us to Win EVERY game but yet I also do NOT want to see this staff in Raleigh next year! We need some new life in the program and one that is full of excitement.

    Anyway, great job today Wolfpack!

  17. timberwolf 11/10/2012 at 9:18 PM #

    Horseshit. Look at TOB record, appliance, community, grades. UNx got 2 wins from a fluke/bad call. That’s reality.

  18. JohnGalt78 11/10/2012 at 10:12 PM #

    Rumor has it….hmmm, oh well, what I heard and from whom I heard it was this….a former player under Kiffin who spoke to Yow today at the game said that she, when asked about TOB, had “some tough decisions to make”. Same source said that Fire said TOB was “done” ……I also heard we are talking about a $1.5MM buy out. Much less than I had thought.

  19. mak4dpak 11/11/2012 at 5:30 AM #

    4got, how can the ref call two different things for the exact same thing? Glennon was called for intentional grounding with loss of down, and the WF qb does the same thing in the end zone, and it is called an incomplete pass, when it should have been a safety.

  20. eas 11/11/2012 at 7:29 AM #

    I thought the TOB buyout was 5 million? If it is 1.5 million than that is a much easier number to swallow.

  21. graywolf 11/11/2012 at 7:40 AM #

    1. Dr. Yow was visibly upset after the Carolina game. I understand she was also very upset at halftime of the UVA game. She will not hesitate to pull the trigger if she can work out the financial part of the equation.
    If TOB wins out then he will stay. If we lose to Clemson and BC then he may be in real trouble.
    I like TOB’s discipline towards players but at some point its about winning which is the face of this great university.

    2. I made the game today as always and stayed until the alma mater was sung…..It’s about pride of a university of which I am an alumnus over the performance of a football team but it’s way more fun to be in those stands after a great win than when one is blown out as was the case of the UVA game.

  22. mjcarpe4 11/11/2012 at 8:39 AM #

    Mak, from what I understood the reason that the calls were different was due to the fact that Glendon’s reckless over the bag toss landed behind the line of scrimmage while the Wake Forest quarterbacks’ did not. He was also outside of the pocket therefore it was incomplete rather than intentional grounding resulting in a safety.

  23. ADVENTUROO 11/11/2012 at 9:03 AM #

    Here is what I know.

    Dr. Yow was also receiving a lot of emails after the UVA game from the longtime, loyal fans. She answered each one and addressed their concerns and, very professionally, tried to be honest.

    The AD Budget, which is the ONLY STATE contract that TOB has, has sufficient resources (reserves, surpluses, etc.) to “competitively” field a Top 25 FB team. The Wolfpack Club (WPC) does NOT have a contract with TOB, or at least that is MY understanding.

    In addition, she said that the October stretch was very difficult and trying and will be evaluating the program after the season.

    As to the buyout, I have seen TOB’s contract and it is available on several sites. The last revision was in 2009 when LF extended it. The revision was pretty straight forward, it just replaced certain clauses.

    BOTTOM LINE….(I did a lot of contract work, but am not an attorney) is that we pay TOB a Base of $240K. We pay him a SUPPLEMENTAL salary (to be competitive) of $360K. There are many bonuses or incentives. His BASE, nor his SUPPLEMENTAL amount was changed in 2009, only the LENGTH of the Contract.

    In the case of termination without cause, the Liquidated Damages clause kicks in. It states that we are liable for the base ($240….unless we have given him a raise) and the supplemental ($360). That is $600K times 3 years (Dec 2012 to Dec 2015 – the orginal ended in 2013 and was extended two years). There is very clear language that THIS IS ALL.

    Now, there appears to be a lot of MISINFORMATION in the press. TOB reported (date stamped copy from the AD) that his OUTSIDE income from Aug 15, 08 to Aug 15 09 was $765K. $645K from Capital Broadcasting (a raise of $70K from the year before) and $120K from Adidas. There is a line for a FB Camp, but no income was reported.

    That is IT…$1.8K. Remember, that there is also some misinformation about the WPC and who foots the bill. It is MY understanding, as a long time (40 years) WPC member that the WPC does NOT pay TOB a dime.

    It is also my understanding from talking to volunteers who do big donor fund raising that many NEW doors are now closed and some donors are stating they will NOT donate next year.

    This is a very difficult situation for everyone. If the “FSU” team finishes the season with a flourish and if we get a good bowl and good team and dispatch them, then WHO KNOWS.

    I think, after talking to a lot of folks from big donors to just fans, that a LOT of the fan base left State (as they did duriing the UVA game). It will take a LOT to bring them back.

    Yesterday’s game still had at least 90 – 95% attendance, even though there were 1400 Craigslist ads for tickets. BUT, there were a LOT of empty spaces in the premium spots around the PNC. MORE than I remember since Chuck’s last year. My wife said that the stadium was way too quiet and even though we made noise on critical plays, that you talk during the game. In addition, there were fewer people in the stands in the third quarter than at UVA. We are WINNING this one….but no one seems excited.

    I do NOT have a clue as to what Debbie Yow will do, nor do I think that she does. I believe that she already has a list of candidates and through the “Grapevine” know that they would be interested. BUT, that is about as far as I think it goes. I think she is truly evaluating TOB, trying to get the sentiment of the fan base and will make the correct call. Once again, this is MY opinion only. This is REALLY her toughest call. Attendance is NOT an issues as it was for her in MD or with Sidney. If we get a PREMIUM bowl and do NOT travel well, then that will show the fan base sentiment. This sounds cruel, but short of doing a political poll, I do NOT know how your objectively determine how much support a coach has. I have no quibble with the team. They have issues, as we all do, but they seem really inconsistent….and that has to be corrected by the coaching staff.

    Hope this helps clear up some of the details.

  24. old13 11/11/2012 at 12:34 PM #

    “I like TOB’s discipline towards players but at some point its about winning which is the face of this great university.”

    That’s my conflict as well. However, TOB isn’t the only coach who can run a clean program with players involved in community service and paying attention to their classroom work. At some point, wins do have to matter for an athletics program. And DY has stated goals which are not being met in football at all during the TOB years. But it is still a tough decision for her. I would think the deciding factor (if the financial aspects are as speculated in posts above) would be if DY thinks TOB has reached his ceiling or not. Guess we’ll see.

  25. sequoyah 11/11/2012 at 1:33 PM #

    Here’s a list of the 25 winning-est CFB programs from 2000-2011, in reverse order. How many are also considered champions in the community & classroom? Maybe BYU, BC, Wisc, one or two others? & we already have that BC coach…not a whole lot of pickings when you look at it this way.

    South Florida Bulls (86-49, .637); Iowa Hawkeyes (88-50, ..638); Michigan Wolverines (88-49, .642); Brigham Young University Cougars (92-50, .648); Louisville Cardinals (90-47, .657); Texas Tech Red Raiders (93-48, .660); Nebraska Cornhuskers (94-48, .662); Florida State Seminoles (95-48, .664); Boston College Eagles (95-46, .674); Wisconsin Badgers (97-45, .683); West Virginia Mountaineers (95-43, .683); Utah Utes (96-39, .711); Miami Hurricanes (99-39, .717) – 1 National Championship (2001); Oregon Ducks (99-39, .717); Auburn Tigers (102-39, .723) – 1 National Championship (2010); Georgia Bulldogs (104-38, .732); Florida Gators (108-35, .755) – 1 National Championship (2008); Virginia Tech Hokies (110-34, .764); LSU Tigers (110-33, .769) – 1 National Championship (2007); USC Trojans (110-31, .780) – 2 National Championships (2003, 2004); TCU Horned Frogs (108-29, .788); Ohio State Buckeyes (114-26, .814) – 1 National Championship (2002); Texas Longhorns (115-26, .816) – 1 National Championship (2005); Oklahoma Sooners (122-26, .824) – 1 National Championship (2000); Boise State Broncos (124-18, .873)


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