UNC internal review not thorough

WRAL News is reporting that the UNC internal review was not thorough.

The UNC internal report, however, only covered lecture courses. WRAL News looked at data about independent study courses offered by the department and found additional red flags – lots of athletes with the potential for earning twice the credit offered by other departments for similar work.

After everything that has happened in the last two years, the initial response to the statement that the internal review was not thorough was “And this should surprise me how?”

Here is a list of the independent classes that WRAL is reporting that were unusual:

WRAL identified nine courses over four years where enrollment seemed out of the ordinary:

  • AFAM 396 Summer 2nd session 2007: 7 total students enrolled; 0 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFRI 396 Summer 2nd session 2007: 16 total students enrolled, 8 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFAM 396 Summer 1st session 2008: 4 total students enrolled; 1 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFRI 396 Summer 2nd session 2008: 13 total students enrolled; 2 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFRI 396 Fall 2008: 9 total students enrolled; 4 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFAM 396 Summer 1st session 2009: 2 total students enrolled; 0 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFRI 396 Summer 1st session 2009: 4 total students enrolled; 3 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFAM 396 Summer 1st session 2010: 6 total students enrolled; 6 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
    AFRI 396 Summer 2nd session 2010: 11 total students enrolled; 8 current or former football and/or men’s basketball players
  • A couple of UNC professors were quoted in the article:

    Lloyd Kramer, chairman of the UNC History Department, said the number of enrollees alone would be cause for concern. “That would be very unusual in our department. That would raise red flags,” he said.

    “Typically, there would be one or, at most, two students doing an independent course with a faculty member. At least in our department that’s the usual course arrangement,” Kramer said.

    The numbers also seemed high to Jay Smith, a professor in the history department. I[n] more than 20 years at UNC, Smith said he has only taught two independent study courses with one student each.

    Smith also raised concerns about the number of athletes in some of the courses.

    “You wonder how those athletes wound up in that course, what they were doing when they got there, what purpose that particular course was serving in their own academic schedules,” he said.

    Those are good questions and ones that everyone (OK, most everyone) would like to get answered.

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    21 Responses to UNC internal review not thorough

    1. UpstateSCWolfpack 08/08/2012 at 12:20 AM #

      What sticks out to me, is football and/or men’s basketball players, no women’s sports or other men’s sports mentioned. Proof that this was something put in place to help the two biggest profile sports to keep players eligible.

    2. Wufpacker 08/08/2012 at 1:21 AM #

      Getting closer. Sounds like Mssrs. Kramer and Smith are asking the right questions at least.

      Not thorough? Say it isn’t so.

    3. wolfonthehill 08/08/2012 at 6:16 AM #

      Erin Hartness getting in on the act? I dig that… well-done, Erin.

      And just dayum – if a single underfunded reporter can dig up that info that quickly, the internal review could have found (or did find) the same thing if they chose to. An obvious example of choosing not to – for what are becoming very obvious reasons.

      Again – who are the adults?

    4. NCSU88 08/08/2012 at 6:47 AM #

      Refer to the Willy Wonka picture in the Flickr photostream.

    5. coach13 08/08/2012 at 8:03 AM #

      I wonder if any of our athletes are taking independent study courses?

    6. 70wolf 08/08/2012 at 8:14 AM #

      Cant we break this out by football and basketball players seperately ?

    7. EasternWakeWolf 08/08/2012 at 8:29 AM #

      Investigating yourself is never a thorough process. This should have been done by an outside agency from the beginning.

    8. wolfonthehill 08/08/2012 at 9:00 AM #

      ^ That is just begging for a smart-ass response. :-)

    9. Lumpy 08/08/2012 at 9:43 AM #

      I still can’t figure out why this story is so slow in taking off. I know we like to think of the media as saturated with UNC grads. But there’s ten times as many media members who have no baby blue connection. Why is this not a bigger story? When UGA got caught with Jim Harrick’s kid teaching a bogus PE course, it was a top story EVERYWHERE. And that was Georgia. Not exactly a perennial basketball power. And it was ONE PE course. UNC has been funneling it’s players into a completely fictional curriculum for at least a decade, an it’s like no one but a few local writers and reporters care. I hear it mentioned on ESPN whenever they talk about the state of college athletics but its always as a secondary scandal used as an example. A throwaway line. If this were FSU, Florida, Bama, Auburn, or Kentucky there would be an ESPN or CBS camera crew stationed on campus with reporters chasing coaches and athletic directors into their offices with a microphone. I’ve never seen the media lay off a program with this much evidence of wrongdoing on the table. I guess I always assumed that the “UNC controls the media” thing was created during experience during the N&O’s relentless pursuit of Valvano’s scalp, and simply passed down through generations of Wolfpack fans. But at this point I’m having a hard time coming up with any other line of reasoning.

    10. GAWolf 08/08/2012 at 10:11 AM #

      I have wondered the same thing, Lumpy. Ultimately it *could* be the result of ESPN’s marriage to the DUKE/UNC rivalry which is a huge draw nationwide for their network. If UNC basketball gets blasted to the stone age, they lose this hoopla.

    11. Bowlpack 08/08/2012 at 10:18 AM #

      Perhaps we should attempt to reignite the fire under the NCAA. They’ve been so busy with Penn State and figuring out how a football playoff system might work that this must have just slipped their collective mind.

      Here the email to Emmert’s office:

      memmert@ncaa.org

    12. packof81 08/08/2012 at 10:29 AM #

      GAWolf,

      “Ultimately it *could* be the result of ESPN’s marriage to the DUKE/UNC rivalry which is a huge draw nationwide for their network.”

      You make a good point and it is worth mentioning again that the president of ESPN is a UNC grad.

    13. Mike 08/08/2012 at 10:30 AM #

      As Gomer would say “Surprise Surprise”. Does this really come as a shock to anyone? I have commented several times on the WRAL story and the people there amaze me with their unwillingness to look with open eyes.

      All we hear from day 1 from UNX – “We will and are cooperating to the fullest extent”……….and the truth is they are STILL dodging and deflecting.

    14. ppack3 08/08/2012 at 10:31 AM #

      “What sticks out to me, is football and/or men’s basketball players, no women’s sports or other men’s sports mentioned. Proof that this was something put in place to help the two biggest profile sports to keep players eligible.” – UpstateSCWolfpack

      What sticks out to me is that we don’t know who else took these classes besides Men’s BB and FB players. They very well could have been student-athletes from other men’s sports, women’s sports or trainers for the teams! Wouldn’t that go much further in proving that this was something put in place to help all sports and their respective athletes, to keep them eligible?

    15. Pack78 08/08/2012 at 12:35 PM #

      ^Agreed-we already have the story of the ace pitcher that was in major academic trouble needing to pull 4 A’s over the summer to remain eligible; (surprise,surprise) he did just that!

    16. runwiththepack 08/08/2012 at 2:00 PM #

      maybe Dan Kane & Co. put a little pressure on WRAL to help push this. This will get more traction if there are more media outlets taking notice and poking around themselves.

      WRAL found yet MORE that the “internal investigations” somehow (somehow!) overlooked. This came when I was beginning to suffer accute withdrawal symptoms from Dan Kane articles, which have been absent the past couple weeks or so.

      I saw Don Curtis in a lobby a few days ago. I recognized him from the pics provided on SFN articles. I asked him if he was Don Curtis, and said that I had seen him in pictures. I was not wearing a NCSU shirt or anything to give my ‘true identity” away.

      He runs radio stations – owns dozens of them, as i recall reading. He looked kind of uncomfortable. He may have realized that I saw him on you-tube videos and read about him on SFN/PP.

    17. Gene 08/08/2012 at 4:50 PM #

      “UNC has been funneling it’s players into a completely fictional curriculum for at least a decade, an it’s like no one but a few local writers and reporters care. ”

      Think of it like the Duke defense. If everyone is committing some kind of infraction, the refs either can’t keep track of it all or they get conditioned to accept that is the norm for defense, when Duke is playing basketball.

      This story is either overwhelming national media to the point they just can’t compute any longer or it’s become so omnipresent they just assume it is the norm.

    18. GAWolf 08/08/2012 at 7:58 PM #

      Since Butch is a notorious control-freak, what do you bet there are calls from the 216 to Nyang’oro making sure his boys were going to be eligible?

      I know nothing, but that might be the bombshell that puts AFAM square in the sites of the NCAA and thus ultimately brings down basketball too.

    19. Prof_Turby 08/09/2012 at 5:39 AM #

      I have been teaching at the local community college for over 18 years…
      Independent study classes are allowing for only special cases…
      In 18 years of teaching I have taught 1 independent study class for 1 student…
      The academics at the community college I teach at are more stringent than at the diploma mill they have over at the hill…
      Pathetic…

    20. tdouble 08/09/2012 at 8:15 AM #

      “I wonder if any of our athletes are taking independent study courses?”

      Lets not ask questions about ourselves, lets keep the focus down the road.

    21. runwiththepack 08/09/2012 at 6:49 PM #

      GA,

      I doubt that Butch had to bother to call Dr. Kangaroo. He knew it was taken care of.

      Someone has to start “singing” before anything new will come of this without the ncaa growing a pair. Someone has to spill some beans. There are dozens of people who know: tutors, athletic admin., coaches, etc… who knew exactly what has been going on since Dr. Kangaroo became dept. head in 1992. Not to mention about 1,0000 “student”-athletes.

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