Expansion/Realignment (11pm Update)

So, just to recap, here’s where we stand:

In a move I don’t necessarily like, but entirely understand (the cozy little basketball conference most of us grew up with is long gone), Syracuse and Pittsburgh are officially in the ACC, which doesn’t exactly thrill Jim Boeheim (ESPN):

The Big East has held its tournament at Madison Square Garden in New York every year since 1983. On Sunday, ACC commissioner John Swofford broached the topic of holding the ACC tournament at Madison Square Garden in the future, but it is already scheduled to be held in Atlanta in 2012 and in Greensboro, N.C., the following three years.

“It’s a great place for a tournament,” Boeheim said of New York. “Where would you want to go to to a tournament for five days? Let’s see: Greensboro, North Carolina, or New York City? Jeez. Let me think about that one and get back to you.”

Wonderful, that’s all we need in the ACC is more arrogant elitism; as if Carolina and Duke aren’t already smothering us in it. For the record, the ACC Tournament paved the way for the Big East Tournament and others, yet none of those ever matched the intensity and charm of the original, which has been held in Greensboro more than anywhere else. Surely us southern folks must be doing something right.

On Sunday, it appeared Texas was strongly considering the ACC, and Connecticut and Rutgers (we already have Duke, it seems we’d already carry the New Jersey market) have both been mentioned as 15 and 16; even seems to be some speculation regarding Penn State. But my personal feeling is that the ACC may pause at 14 as it evaluates its new position in the market, and more importantly, the potential value of its renegotiated TV contract. I think it’s at least plausible now that Texas appears headed to the Pac-12 that the ACC is waiting to see how the Big Ten — sorry, B1G — and SEC each respond.

We know the SEC already has Texas A&M and we now know that West Virginia has been rejected by both the SEC and ACC (CBSSports). Based on this, the logical target to become the SEC’s 14th member is Missouri, which apparently has an offer to join as soon as the Big XII is officially defunct (Kansas City Star). Of course, this will be any day now considering Oklahoma and Texas have each been cleared by their respective board of regents to leave the Big XII and pursue membership in the Pac-12, and take Oklahoma State and Texas Tech with them (ESPN).

Most indications suggest the SEC may very well stop at 14 (for now) and the B1G doesn’t seem intent on expanding beyond 12 (for now). I think — hope — the ACC may be hesitant to expand beyond 14 just for the sake of expanding. Keep in mind, this is all entirely football-centric, and if the SEC and B1G can’t increase revenue per member with 16, then there’s zero chance the ACC could do it. It’s at least plausible to suggest the B1G and ACC are each waiting to see which direction Notre Dame leans; sources have indicated that if Notre Dame is forced to join a conference, it would be the ACC, which Dan Wetzel thinks is a great idea (Yahoo!). I think so, too.

So, as of right now, what we’re left with is potentially the remnants of the Big XII and Big East talking merger (Yahoo!).

Oh, and don’t forget that the Pahrats want us all to know they’re available, too (WRAL).

8pm Update:
Is it possible that the Big XII can be salvaged? Oklahoma — Boomer Sooner is not a happy camper about how Dan Beebe has been handling things — now says it will consider staying in the Big XII…conditionally (ESPN):

According to the source, the Big 12 presidents don’t believe Beebe handled the departures of Nebraska and Texas A&M adequately. The Big 12 has lost three members in the last 15 months, and, according to the source, “the relationships were so bad (with) the commissioner.”

According to the Big 12 bylaws, a majority vote among the member schools is needed to oust the commissioner.

Beebe received an extension through June 2015 from the Big 12 in November 2010. University of Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, chairman of the league’s board of directors, said Beebe had been “an outstanding leader” during challenging times.

Beebe received a raise from $661,000 to $997,000 in 2009 before the Big 12’s first near breakup.

Oklahoma has also demanded that Texas modify some of its plans for the Longhorn Network. Big 12 members were angered by the network’s agreement with Fox Sports to move a conference game to the Longhorn Network and its decision to show high school highlights after the Big 12 voted to keep televised high school games off school-branded networks.

The source told the Oklahoman that a move by Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-12 wasn’t inevitable.

Is this a power move by Oklahoma? Absolutely. Keep in mind, Oklahoma is currently in a better and more flexible position than Texas. Oklahoma can move to the Pac-12 much easier than Texas, because it isn’t contractually-bound to a network produced by the minority shareholder in the new Pac-12 TV deal. Sure, any conference commissioner would sell whatever’s left of his cold, dead soul to have the most popular program in the second most-populous state join its ranks, but poor ol’ Texas, seemingly unwilling to share the wealth from the network it founded to promote itself and no one else, is having a difficult time finding a new home.

Meanwhile, before Syracuse and Pittsburgh bailed, the Big East was apparently targeting both Air Force and Navy (CBSSports). Not sure how those two leaving would affect an invitation to those schools — seems to me you need them now more than ever, especially considering the service academies appreciate such a far-reaching appeal.

11pm Update
Andy Katz reports that the Pac-12 has voted against further expansion, at least for now (ESPN). Take from this what you want, but this almost certainly means the revenue projections didn’t support it. Or maybe no one wants to be aligned with Texas?

This all continues to be very interesting/confusing/frustrating. The only thing of which we can be wholly certain is that there is far too much money at stake to be concerned about how this negatively affects the fans or student-athletes.

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68 Responses to Expansion/Realignment (11pm Update)

  1. old13 09/20/2011 at 10:53 PM #

    ^ Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying. You’re talking about emphasizing the FB aspect now over a balance of academics and athletics as in the past. I think the interest in strengthening ACC football is there, and has been going back to when FSU was added. I’m not sure the academics/athletics balance has changed as Pitt and Syracuse seem to fit the traditional ACC mold in that regard, as would ND, UT, PSU and some others. AND the ACC has been (or was) known as THE BB conference for some time, but not out of balance with the academic aspects. I see it more as a shift in which sport(s) is emphasized on the athletics side of the sheet. Understanding that it’s $$$ that’s driving it all, with athletics stability issues being addressed by the ACC as well, it’s just part of the (like it or not) drastic changes coming in college sports. I don’t see the ACC deemphasizing the academics side at all, though. Another option might be to let each ACC school decide if it wants to stay in D1 athletics, and then go on its own to join a D1, D2 or D3 conference as it chooses, dissolving the ACC.

  2. Astral Rain 09/20/2011 at 11:07 PM #

    Syracuse/Pitt don’t hurt the academic reputation of the ACC at all.

    I think we can stay at 14 unless something pops up.

    I do think we should keep basketball/academics as a priority on future members, we don’t have to just take anyone.

    We’ve done enough to get a spot at the big boys table, and we didn’t sell our soul to do it. No need to sell it now.

    As for the ACC tourney- it can go to 5 days if it has to.

  3. Ashman87 09/20/2011 at 11:16 PM #

    After hearing what the PAC-12 decided to do, I think we should stay at fourtenn FOR NOW. This way, ECU might get invited to join the Big East (although with TCU joining and Nova probably upgrading to FBS, that most likely won’t happen).

  4. old13 09/20/2011 at 11:23 PM #

    The Pac-12 decision would seem to help the remaining Big 12 (Big 8 or 7 or ? – I lost count!) stay together, although that pesky old LHN still poses a few problems. ND’s situation doesn’t change, though. They just lost an option. I still think that Swofford intends to get to 16 IF he can get the right players to the table. But he will not add just anyone to get to the 16 level.

  5. BJD95 09/20/2011 at 11:24 PM #

    I think it depends on what ND does. If they’re in, we go to 16. Period. If not, is there really any rush to pick up Nova and Uconn? I don’t think so.

    Didn’t the SEC publicly vote not to expand like 4 weeks ago? Didn’t mean anything. Not sure the Pac 12’s vote does, either. Everything’s about positioning to ensure maximum leverage.

  6. old13 09/20/2011 at 11:28 PM #

    ^ Agreed. To me, Nova and UConn are “just anyone!” But I would take Nova over UConn with ND.

  7. JeremyH 09/21/2011 at 5:07 AM #

    city mouse meet country mouse.

  8. coach13 09/21/2011 at 8:03 AM #

    “My God Bones…what have I done…”

    Well, if the BigXII survives…the Pac12 remains unchanged as does the Big10, then SEC would have been the only conference moving with their numbers, except now we look like the aggressors more than anyone.

    Can we take this opportunity to throw back some fish? Miami and BC would be my preference, give’m back to the Big East.

  9. triadwolf 09/21/2011 at 8:30 AM #

    ^ This isn’t over and by this latest move the ACC just pretty much told the TV networks that we’re here to stay and will be a power conference for the foreseeable future. There will not be any going back. Any image of the ACC being an aggressor will be created by those who are scrambling to maintain their own image. Besides, my understanding is that Pitt and SU came to the ACC (although I think those two schools have been considerations for quite some time).

  10. GoldenChain 09/21/2011 at 8:44 AM #

    This morning on talk radio I heard:

    – PAC12 rejects Texas says they can’t reach an agreement on revenue sharing (which for those in faison means there is ZERO chnace the ACC will take ’em)
    – PAC12 says it will stand pat with 12 teams
    – WVA is told “thanks but no thanks” by SEC & ACC
    – Big Least looking at ECU and somebody else (I forget who)

    I’m wondering if WVA & Texas getting spurned means that expansion fever has crested and will subside now?

    Like mentioned above, doesn’t mean the ACC won’t solidify itself
    with a big name like ND and another but means the “we will be left out of the BCS picture” fear will calm down.

  11. Pack Mentality 09/21/2011 at 9:11 AM #

    “The only thing of which we can be wholly certain is that there is far too much money at stake to be concerned about how this negatively affects the fans or student-athletes.”

    I understand that this is the trump card of all arguments that no counter-argument can stand up to. I have yet to hear specifics, and when and if numbers are given, how that given person knows that their money figures are correct when making this assumption.

  12. GoldenChain 09/21/2011 at 9:49 AM #

    “The only thing of which we can be wholly certain is that there is far too much money at stake to be concerned about how this negatively affects the fans or student-athletes.”

    ^ This is why the academics that make up universities HATE athletics.
    Its like arguing who the university belongs to in teh 1st place.

  13. TruthBKnown Returns 09/21/2011 at 10:05 AM #

    I thought I heard the Big East is looking at military academies (Army, Navy & Air Force?) as their primary options, and that ECU and some other school were secondary options.

    I must admit that I’m not too thrilled with the thoughts of ECU being in a weakened Big East where they can have an easy path to a BCS bowl every other year (assuming the Big East remains a BCS conference). We’ll be fighting for our lives for any bowl we can get, and ECU might be playing in BCS bowls? I’m almost throwing up in my mouth a little just writing that.

  14. MP 09/21/2011 at 12:33 PM #

    I can’t come up with a reason why this latest ACC expansion isn’t anything but good.

    Gotta travel to either New York or Pennsylvania every couple of years? Oh well, guess we’ll just have to sacrifice our annual football game with Southern Louisiana A&M.

    Same goes for basketball and our ‘always huge’ December matchup with Elon.

  15. NelsonHall97 09/21/2011 at 1:25 PM #

    I’m not so sure the PAC-12’s decision to sit tight at 12 means the musical chairs game is over. Texas IS very much wanted by PAC 12, but their GREED is not. Also, Oklahoma has been very public in their requests that the Big 12 commissioner is replaced AND that ALL members of the Big 12 are equally represented (read: Texas does’t run the show anymore). If Texas won’t budge on the LHN, then OK and OKst may leave or force Texas out as an independent.

    If that happens…hell, even if it doesn’t happen, The Big East is looking at losing possibly WV and Louisville to fill holes in the Big 12. Don’t forget, Missouri may be headed to SEC…One more hole to fill. A weakened Big East may leave ND looking to compete in another conference B1G…or ACC!

    I see the Swoff sitting on 14 for awhile, unless as BJD mentioned, ND wants into the ACC. Then we look to add UCONN, Rutgers or Nova.

  16. WolftownVA81 09/21/2011 at 10:59 PM #

    My personal preference would be PSU over ND – we still have a game or two to get even for and I believe there national following may be close to ND though I have no figures to support that believe. If that happens, I’d rather the last team added be UCONN for the basketball.

  17. JSRy2k 09/21/2011 at 11:44 PM #

    Notre Dame would be another Penn State traditional football rival. The formerly independent Nittany Lions used to also schedule with regularity:
    – BC
    – Maryland
    – UVA
    – Pitt
    – Syracuse
    I have no credible sources, just grew up in PA, happen to know PSU is a fine academic institution, and would love to see some of this chaos result in old rivalries renewed.

  18. smile102 09/22/2011 at 2:09 PM #

    “Our old ACC high academics conference is over. . . . A Texas or Notre Dame addition changes everything.”

    Where do you get the idea that Texas and ND don’t have high academics?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576584771531621708.html

    This link answers the questions as to each schools academic ranking.

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