Sunday Quick Hits

The coming week will see an influx of football stories as camp begins, so just a reminder to the new folks that there are a variety of topics being discussed over on the SFN Forums.

As far as recent comments on The Scandal:

Anne Blythe at the N&O wonders if UNC can play big-time football and preserve its integrity:

But will those fans, for years to come, see a team that contends for championships? Will UNC, stung by agents helping players, an assistant coach helping an agent and an embarrassing case of plagiarism, still seek to play with the big boys of college football?

UNC has struggled to maintain its storied academic reputation and, at the same time, build a modern football program that excites a large enough fan base to fill 63,000 seats and contribute mightily to the big-time costs associated with national championship aspirations.

“I’ve got an acute sense of the true nature of the tension,” Thorp said Thursday. “Nearly every public university, including many, many great public universities, are wrestling with the issues that we’re talking about.”

Seems the answer is much simpler, considering they haven’t been able to maintain their integrity even while playing small time football: no, they can’t.

Caulton Tudor says the Kenan home schedule lacks verve:

Against that complicated backdrop, the Tar Heels will open their season on Sept. 3 in a Kenan Stadium that many of those same fans won’t even recognize – the upshot of an epic $75 million expansion that turned the once-cozy South end zone area into a high-rise luxury complex for the richest fans.

What’s more, the opponent for the grand opening of the Blue Zone will not be an ACC foe. It won’t be ECU or LSU or Syracuse, either. It will be James Madison, an excellent program in the Football Championship Subdivision, which is still more frequently referred to as Division I-AA by most fans.

It’s not a stretch to think this opener will be the most awkward and most subdued in decades for a school that has been playing football since 1888…

UNC officials once envisioned the opening of the 2011 season as a landmark celebration of football growth, popularity and ascent in national visibility.

Instead, these first few games in redesigned Kenan Stadium could pan out to a multimillion dollar sports psychology study.

Meanwhile, our very own GAWolf has a brilliant suggestion for restoring The Flagship’s integrity: hire Todd Turner.

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25 Responses to Sunday Quick Hits

  1. Pack84 07/31/2011 at 11:30 AM #

    And to think that JMU is good enough they ‘might’ just beat the holes on opening day. It won’t be a gimme W that’s for sure.

  2. highstick 07/31/2011 at 11:38 AM #

    I don’t care what care of “polictically correct moniker” you put on it, it’s still Division 2! Why don’t we just rename it the “Football Championship Subdivision for Players Who Can’t Cut It in the Bowl Champsionship Series Division”!

    It’s really going to be interesting to match up reported attendance versus actual attendance in Kenan this year..

    And by the way, does the $2.7 million payoff to Butch mean that there won’t be Smurf Astroturf in Kenan anytime soon?

  3. Tau837 07/31/2011 at 11:40 AM #

    Maybe everyone was aware of this already except me, but in this N&O article (, it says “Davis consulted with Raleigh attorney Joseph Cheshire before seeing Thorp.”

    I take this to mean that Davis and Wiley have the same attorney. Did everyone else already know this?

  4. LRM 07/31/2011 at 12:12 PM #

    I don’t see political correctness in calling it Division I-AA/FCS, simply because there is an actual Division II that is a completely lower level of play than I-AA/FCS. It’s a structural classification, not a talent classification.

    It’d be like saying Boise State and Notre Dame are Division II because they’re not apart of a BCS conference.

    And the biggest difference between I-A and I-AA isn’t necessarily the talent per se, but the number of scholarships (85 vs. 63).

  5. TOBtime 07/31/2011 at 12:51 PM #

    And where has the quick-hitting Ann Blythe been hiding?

    “Multi-million dollar sports psychology study”. Now that’s funny and I don’t care who you are.

  6. Hungwolf 07/31/2011 at 1:39 PM #

    ~70% of Hill alum in the last 25 years are female. The stadium is actually rarely sold out in the terms of people actually in the seats by Heel fans. Mack Brown I am sure will back me up on saying UNC is just not a football school. The liberal arts majors that are male usually care less about football. The following that a school like the gamescocks has, exposes UNC. Most Heel fans knew little of the scandle till recently cause frankly they could care less about football.

  7. Moose Hunter 07/31/2011 at 1:55 PM #

    UNC has plenty of talent. It the interim coach can get a few early wins and build an us against them mentality, they could win 8 games. Which would be great in the sense that then they would have a “coaching controversy”.

  8. MrPlywood 07/31/2011 at 2:10 PM #

    re: storied academic reputation – good lord I’m tired of hearing that. The rundown of grade distribution put a few holes in that rep, and i’d like to see them taken down another few notches…

  9. stejen 07/31/2011 at 2:41 PM #

    What I want to know is where is John Swofford hiding? Since he was such a stickler for “integrity” when he was the AD at UNC. Now he seems to have no qualms with the “win at all cost” attitude UNC implemented. And I still have a suspicion that this scandal was starting to show on the basketball team and that was what caused the sudden change of heart that Thorpe had.

  10. jpack 07/31/2011 at 2:44 PM #

    “it’s a tough profession,” Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer told Richmond’s WRNL radio when asked about Davis’s dismissal Wednesday. “I do know this – everybody wants a level playing field.”. This was in the Washington Post. Obviously others knew Davis and the Tarholes were cheating. Didn’t Davis’ son sign with the ‘Holes? Wonder what happens there?

  11. logarithm 07/31/2011 at 2:44 PM #

    It’s a fine way to lead us into what should be an exciting August. Rodney Purvis has said he’d make a decision in August and Thomas De Thaey will finally be coming to Raleigh and can get working with the guys.

    I feel like once the Purvis situation falls into place, other players will commit or transfer and things will solidify. Like last year when Luke Cothron decommitted when CJ Leslie finally decided he was coming here.

    And I think De Thaey will fit right in and maybe even enhance this exciting new in-the-gym-all-the-time mentality our boys have with Alex Johnson. He’s been at this basketball academy doing hours and hours of daily training in the Canary islands. I’m hoping he can take the intensity and duration of the training up a notch for everyone.

  12. Pack Mentality 07/31/2011 at 3:32 PM #

    I wonder if the new coach will be embarrassed by the school colors or will they actually go back to baby blue. I get that baby blue doesn’t go well with a Miami thug attitude. But I’ll be damned if a coach would come to State and not wear red because it didn’t fit his thug image. Of course, certain groups of people can be manipulated by a con artist criminal fairly easily.

  13. graywolf 07/31/2011 at 4:26 PM #

    They have hired their interim

  14. highstick 07/31/2011 at 6:07 PM #

    Just a thought..if Butch had been winning, would he have been fired??

  15. JSRy2k 07/31/2011 at 6:38 PM #

    “…(T)he Tar Heels will open their season…in a Kenan Stadium that many …won’t even recognize – the upshot of an epic $75 million expansion that turned the once-cozy South end zone area into a high-rise luxury complex for the richest fans…the opponent…will be James Madison”
    BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Does that not say all we need to know about CH football?

    If memory serves me correctly, we – conversely – christened the Murphy Center w/ an exciting Indiana team on an ESPN Thursday night and Vaughn towers w/ Marcus Vick and VA Tech on an ESPN Sunday night.

  16. Hungwolf 07/31/2011 at 8:26 PM #

    Still talking about those phone records. Good read from tar heel illustrated.
    Here’s link:

  17. highstick 07/31/2011 at 9:19 PM #

    LRM, App won the national championship, but couldn’t beat NC State who was struggling..No difference in talent? Seriously??

  18. Hungwolf 07/31/2011 at 9:34 PM #

    The Robesonian; “What isn’t being reported is that Thorp was dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, which oversees the tutorial program, where the academic issues were conceived. UNC has constructed a wall that keeps the football coach out of the academic arena, so Davis is being punished for issues that occurred beyond his reach.”

    Read more: The Robesonian – Carolina s wrong way

    The dark clouds continue to grow over UNC-CHeat. let the stone throwing begin.

  19. McCallum 07/31/2011 at 9:56 PM #

    A gentle rain has fallen here in the hills of northern Georgia. The mumbles about “‘EM DAWGS” are falling faintly into the night. A tired son sleeps after learning to water ski, the dogs have made a day without digging up the yard.

    And I am listening to Wagner and thinking of Euripides, Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius.

    chapel hill delenda est


  20. packhammer 07/31/2011 at 10:03 PM #

    837, I saw that as well and certainly raised an eyebrow. Explains why Cheshire made the statement he did basically supporting Butch to the hilt after the termination. Such dual representation is ethically questionable where the parties interests are not aligned but can probably be overcome with full disclosure to each. But let’s face it Cheshire did not get clearance from Wiley to make the statement he did and there is no way it was in her best interests for him to make the statement. Does seem to indicate that Butch was highly involved in hiring him to help Wiley. It just smells to high heaven like a lot of this story.

  21. TeufelWolf 08/01/2011 at 2:14 AM #

    @ logarithim. Excellent point. I’ve been looking forward to Purvis’ decision. Hopefully, it’s early August. Either way, it will start to solidify the roles of everyone. I followed what I could of De Thaey in the U20 European Championship at I don’t know the level of competition but he seemed to have consistent play; solid numbers – decent minutes. As you alluded to, he’ll probably be in shape and used to long hours in the gym. If the team have been living out of the gym recently then he’ll fit right in and probably push the pace. Regardless, he and Johnson will raise the level of competition.

    Also, I liked what Coach Gottfried said about them beginning to change not only conditioning, but their attitudes to that of professionals. His quote was actually, “Look nice, dress nice, speak nice, be nice — be a professional”. I feel like he’s already making good changes. Let’s hope Purvis comes on board.

  22. Hungwolf 08/01/2011 at 12:03 PM #

    Deems May. “We have to be the only university in the country with an anti-football faction.” To read more of what Deems May has to say here is the link:

    Then Heels keep talking and they will for sure run off every recruit. I am sure recruiters from other school copying it as we speak. NCAA violations, fan boycotts, academic issues, plagarism, Fire Thorpe Facebook page, and former players calling the school anti-football.

    why would any kid go there? 1 of 12 verbals already off scout’s list, more to come?

  23. WolftownVA81 08/01/2011 at 12:41 PM #

    Love to see BobLee do a story on the Deems May editorial. What a hoot. Playing by the rules = de-emphasizing football. All you need to know is that he calls Butch his friend. A very entertaining piece.

  24. logarithm 08/01/2011 at 1:08 PM #

    @McCallum, I read Cato the Elder ended every speech he did with “Carthago delenda est,” regardless of whether or not he was actually talking about Carthage during the speech. I think “Chapel Hill delenda est” should be the sign-off for every statement NC State Athletics makes. Thanks to you.

  25. McCallum 08/01/2011 at 7:16 PM #


    Our highly slanted disposition is the sure turnoff for every “I’ll kiss a$$ as long as possible” toady in the athletic department. Understand, their disposition never concerns actually finding a break through or “the answer” but instead taking the meandering path of constant supplication to the gods of bureaucracy and nothingness with the hope that if one hangs in the system just long enough that there might be a promotion.

    So understand precisely what Cato provided in the final lines of his discourse and how it resonated to the Roman ethic of dogged determination. See how that contrasts with the life long employee of the Wolfpack Club or the athletic department and how any new idea/ someone outside of the system will be opposed because the apple cart of “potential” goodies might be spilled in the streets for the common rabble to gather up!!

    Another reason why NC State never gets a damn dime.


    canibus delenda est


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