It’s Friday, but still not over

It’s Friday, and Butch Davis is gone and Dick Baddour on his way out, but unfortunately for the Flagship, this is far from over. Specifically, questions remain regarding those 216 phone records.

Joe Ovies:

The phone records now appear to be caught in a semantics game. North Carolina technically reviewed Davis’ personal phone records, but did so with outside help and apparently not from within the compliance department. There is a question as to whether or not UNC should have Davis’ business related calls logged anyway. If he wasn’t using his university issued phone, how was he conducting business? As Art Chansky joked, he must be the greatest recruiter of all time if he doesn’t need a phone. Regardless, the Freedom of Information Act should be good enough to get the phone calls that were business related.

The specifics of what that counsel found aren’t known, but the university maintains there was nothing that would implicate Davis. Of course, all we can do is take them at their word. Considering how the Michael McAdoo thing played out, it’s understandable if folks aren’t so willing to do that.

I wonder what the guy that called into Ovies yesterday to suggest “Irvin” Meyer as the next head coach thinks about all the inconsistencies in the continuous BS they’re tossing on us over there.

In “discussions” with my UNC friends and family yesterday, beyond the general disgust at Holden Thorp for ruining the football program, most readily admitted they were shocked it happened, because they hadn’t really been following the story — “I haven’t really kept up with this like State fans have.” And that may seem strange, but unless they’ve frequented SFN or PackPride during the past year, then they probably truly didn’t realize there was any reason to be concerned.

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69 Responses to It’s Friday, but still not over

  1. WV Wolf 07/29/2011 at 11:10 AM #

    Even better than Irvin Meyer was the guy that called in and suggested Tom O’Riley or Rich Lopez. Quite knowledgeable college football fans over there in Chapel Hill.

    Glad to see Ovies asking questions that need to be asked.

  2. highstick 07/29/2011 at 11:11 AM #

    Irvin Meyer, Tom O’Reilly, Rich Lopez..How about Derick Doolittle, the coach at UT? LOL!

  3. lawful 07/29/2011 at 11:19 AM #

    So, those of you who thought that a slap on the wrist was all the NCAA was willing to dole out still sticking to that?

  4. lawful 07/29/2011 at 11:22 AM #

    Speaking of Friday, where is he?

  5. BladenWolf 07/29/2011 at 11:22 AM #

    The smurfs should consider Mike O’Cain or Tom Reed for HC and Uncle Jed or Les Robinson for AD.
    I agree with GAWolf in that there will be more to come out of this than what is known right now and it will be very ugly. I suspect the NCAA is fully engaged in watching this train wreck unfold.

  6. TruthBKnown Returns 07/29/2011 at 11:24 AM #

    Is it not completely and totally OBVIOUS to everyone that this “surprise firing (with pay)” came seemingly out-of-the-blue, right before the 216 records were about to be released?

    Everyone acts like this was a big shock. But it wasn’t. This firing conveniently results in the 216 records sinking further into obscurity.

    If and when those records show that Butch DID know things, then it’s not just a rogue associate head coach involved. It was the main man, himself. And those records would also show that he was not being monitored, which should result in a “failure to monitor” allegation from the NCAA, if not an LOIC allegation.

    These phone records are still HUGE to this investigation, and probably contain THE missing link everyone has been looking for: Evidence implicating BUTCH, himself.

    Just because Butch is out doesn’t mean his phone records aren’t still important.

  7. logarithm 07/29/2011 at 11:27 AM #

    Just because there wasn’t anything they internally thought was damning or sure evidence, it doesn’t mean the records were free of all suspicious activity. Like some on the boards have shown, the records may only look suspicious if you identify where else calls were going and when. The 216 records may look a lot more damning if they’re reviewed right beside Blake’s records. The sum of the evidence can create a hell of a better picture than any of the parts.

  8. TAEdisonHokie 07/29/2011 at 11:34 AM #

    I’m curious who UNC used to “review” Davis’ phone records. Is it the same firm UNC hired to defend them against the NCAA? How much of UNC’s strategy is being dictated by that firm, and how much has been ignored in favor of doing it “the Carolina Way”?

    How much of that strategy is designed to protect the UNC holy-of-holies, the basketball program?

    I have questions off the top of my head other than those surrounding Davis’ 216 phone records that need to be answered. The answers may blow the University of Non-Compliance completely off Cheater Hill:

    1. When will McAdoo’s Swahili class be audited, and what will they find? I’m guessing they’ll find a very large number of high grades along with a class roster that includes a number of athletes in sports other than football. Get my drift?

    2. While being paid by Davis, was Wiley providing academic “support” to athletes other than the football players?

    3. How many of the UNC big-money donors were providing “extra benefits” to the football players, and were they also providing the same “benefits” to athletes in other UNC programs?

    4. When will the NCAA release their findings about the massive recruiting violations perpetrated by Blake and others on the UNC football staff? Will that be forthcoming before the October hearing?

    5. What relationship did new interim head football coach Everett Withers have with John Blake, other than their three-year overlap on the UNC football coaching staff? How many of the players coached by Withers were brought in by Blake’s special enticements, and what did Withers know about those enticements?

  9. LRM 07/29/2011 at 11:38 AM #

    ^How dare you question ol’ Roy’s integrity. His program is as pure as the driven snow.

  10. grantwolf 07/29/2011 at 11:39 AM #

    I’m sure the media is proud of themselves. The fact that most UNC fans were caught blindsided by this whole ordeal just shows that the media did just as they were directed to do. Nothing.

  11. Hungwolf 07/29/2011 at 11:43 AM #

    No one was monitoring recruiting from a compliance stand point at UNX, NCAA will have to hit them hard for that.

    As far as academics, the FSU issue started in the football program and their investigation found widespread abuse through all their athletes. We have no evidence that UNC=CHeat has investigated the football throughly or any other athletes. Media and NCAA should really be pushing for this, those tutors and africian studies courses were available and used by other athletes not on the football team.

    Funny how the newly promoted associate head coach was not made the new head coach. Would not be surprised if he, Pittman, disappears into the night soon also.

  12. wolfpacker 07/29/2011 at 11:46 AM #


    SO TRUE…the media has been asleep at the wheel. It’s pretty sad when they get outdone by bloggers, who seek the truth. I am beginning to realize why “most” of the media is a joke…many of them are unx grads. They really didn’t have to do anything, but learn how to “copy and paste”.

    If they learned their investigation tactics at unx, this is how it works: Wave the magic wand and if nothing jumps out, there’s nothing there.

  13. ncsufan13 07/29/2011 at 11:51 AM #

    The UNC scandal is being featured on NPR today. If you tune into The State of Things, they are discussing how NCSU fans were involved in researching and revealing areas of the scandal that mainstream journalists didn’t.

    Link to program –

  14. TAEdisonHokie 07/29/2011 at 11:52 AM #

    LRM – Just a small tidbit: the same law firm that is defending UNC against the NCAA is the same firm that defended Roy Williams and Kansas against the NCAA in 2005. Coincidence?

    Williams was found to have approved lovely monetary “extra benefit” parting gifts from two major Kansas boosters (one back to 1988) to his graduating seniors.

    The law firm is Bond, Schoeneck & King. The lead lawyer who defended Kansas, and now defending UNC, is Rick Evrard, who was once a high-ranking NCAA official.

  15. familyofwolves 07/29/2011 at 11:54 AM #

    Here’s my theory which dovetails with Truthbknown (perhaps already proposed, I just registered)….Davis knew he was going to be fired before he went to the ACC Kickoff, it was part of the show that had to be performed since he knew and Thorpe knew he couldn’t release the phone records without further destroying himself and UNX. He says he will release the phone records, goes to the Kickoff with the “full support of the administration”, gets fired two days later, is in “shock” at his firing, gets his hush money, er, payout, and everybody hopes the phone records get forgotten. He, Baddour, and Thorpe know the phone records are the smoking gun and this was their plan to keep them from being scrutinized. Davis gets his money to keep quiet and preserve the “academic integrity” of UNX, while Thorpe makes Baddour the bad guy and forces him to resign while telling us “It’s all over, no more to see here…move along!” Methinks he underestimates the deductive and investigative powers of the wuffies.

  16. novawolf 07/29/2011 at 12:39 PM #

    Statefans: It’s not strange at all that your unc family/friends have not followed the story. Mine have not either. And it has nothing to do with the media. As far as they’re concerned it was the media and NC State fans making a big deal about nothing. Now they’ve finally been forced to confront that this is a major problem; and their reactions are not pretty. The most telling was a friend who sent me the text…This is what you were talking about last Christmas and you were right!

  17. VaWolf82 07/29/2011 at 12:52 PM #

    4. When will the NCAA release their findings about the massive recruiting violations perpetrated by Blake and others on the UNC football staff? Will that be forthcoming before the October hearing?

    If the NCAA had evidence of recruiting violations then it would have been in the NOA. If they were still investigating UNC, then the NOA would not have been issued.

    The questions I want answered are:
    At what point does the NCAA take over the investigation of academic fraud (ie open their own investigation)?

    What is UNC going to do to show the NCAA that they are going to clean up their own house? (Do they really think that the Honor Court is the only thing that they have to look at?)

    How is UNC going to justify not going back and looking at previous years?

    Realistically, how many years worth of work is available for audit?

  18. JSRy2k 07/29/2011 at 12:55 PM #

    So would we Statefans be on top of our own scandal if we were mired in one? I, for one, think it’s the nature of the fanbase. We care far more about the details while even the best of our CH alum friends live in a perpetual blue fog. Glad to hear some of them are starting to see the truth!

  19. MP 07/29/2011 at 12:59 PM #

    To some extent, I understand why the local media didn’t get fully involved in the ‘review’. Given the putrid smell of this cesspool, the ‘UNC Situation’ is not a job for humble journalists. Maybe even too much of a job for overworked NCAA compliance staff. This thing smells more like FBI territory.

    It is time for people involved with or connected to this program to answer questions under oath.

  20. lawful 07/29/2011 at 1:00 PM #

    Truth raises an extremely important point. How can the NCAA complete an investigation w/out knowing who Butchie was talking to? As bad as all this is, if you don’t think LOIC (or something akin to it) is on the table, wouldn’t Butchie’s phone records have some bearing on that?

  21. VaWolf82 07/29/2011 at 1:05 PM #

    How do you know that the NCAA didn’t look at Davis’s phone calls?

  22. TAEdisonHokie 07/29/2011 at 1:08 PM #

    VaWolf82 – I know for a fact that several ACC coaches were asked to tell the NCAA what they knew about UNC recruiting violations. I’m sorry you have a problem with that, but that’s YOUR problem, not mine.

  23. TheAliasTroll 07/29/2011 at 1:29 PM #

    “^How dare you question ol’ Roy’s integrity. His program is as pure as the driven snow.”

    ahhaha good one, LRM!

  24. PackerInRussia 07/29/2011 at 1:46 PM #

    “2. While being paid by Davis, was Wiley providing academic “support” to athletes other than the football players?”

    Are you kidding? The UNC basketball team would not stoop to the same level as the football team. They probably have a “Wiley” for every player.

  25. BureauOfMines 07/29/2011 at 1:53 PM #

    “So, those of you who thought that a slap on the wrist was all the NCAA was willing to dole out still sticking to that?”

    Yep. I’m one of the people you’re talking about. I’ll believe it when I see it. I hope I’m wrong.

    What happened at UNC this week was penance, perhaps for the purpose of staving off future harsh measures by the NCAA but we’ll see.

    It sure didn’t take the NCAA long to drop the hammer on Georgia Tech. What’s the hold up here?

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