Why State Fans Care

Two decades ago, us State fans suffered the indignity of investigations into Jim Valvano’s basketball program by the NCAA, Poole Commission and even the SBI, as well as a vitriolic assault by the local media and Board of Governors. (Click here for a must read that integrates nicely into today’s entry.) As a result of our self-imposed sanctions, we found ourselves suffering through the degradation of the 90s. By the way, the aforementioned investigations revealed nothing beyond minor infractions, and even then-UNC System president C.D. Spangler admitted that only “the spirit, not the letter” of the law was broken, and the NCAA found the University’s internal punishment satisfactory. (Read more about this here.)

Just imagine if we’d done things the way they do now over at The Flagship.

Some of my closest friends and family are Carolina fans; heck, most of them are even the rarest kind: alums. I don’t base my friendships on college loyalties, and in fact I enjoy the bickering and feuding with my friends and cousins. Still, I’m no different than any other true State fan, reveling in the public deconstruction of the arrogant elitism of the Carolina Way. The average Carolina fan will tell you that the only folks who care about this scandal are obsessed State fans, and I won’t argue otherwise because the reality is the average Carolina fan simply hasn’t been paying attention.

Since the Carolina Way’s poster child Marvin Austin (literally, see below) kicked off this scandal on his Twitter account last summer, the leadership over at The Flagship has done nothing but obstruct the investigation (sorry, “review”), evade legitimate questions, and, of course, lie. But this isn’t a story about Holden Thorp, Dick Baddour, and Butch Davis, because they’re nothing but spokesmen for the average Carolina fan, who has long championed the supremacy of their ideology. Yet after it failed them on such a monumental scale, the average Carolina fan has responded not with outrage but instead with passive indifference.

Meanwhile, it’s a “truth” those of us that endure Thanksgiving dinners, tailgates, and moments around the water cooler have long appreciated: The Carolina way is all hat and no cattle.

And the average Carolina fan could care less. They’re neither indignant nor embarrassed that Butch Davis hired the notoriously-sketchy John Blake and then went out of his way to build a system based on avoiding compliance. They’re not angry that Thorp and Baddour have shamelessly spun, stalled and redacted their way through this investigation. This should be seen as a disgraceful representation of the greatness of the Carolina Way, but it isn’t.

John Wayne said “A man’s got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job.” The Carolina Way should have been that type of code for Carolina fans, but now they’ve finally realized they’ve lived their whole lives amidst a giant lie. And the great tragedy here is that they don’t care.

And when the dust settles they’ll have hitched their wagon to a horse that in four years has a single bowl victory and zero wins over lowly N.C. State, which doesn’t even have a catchy ethos of its own like Carolina once did.

Quite simply, the reason State fans care so much about the UNC football scandal is because, well, someone has to.

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67 Responses to Why State Fans Care

  1. ironmonger_captain 06/23/2011 at 8:50 AM #

    Well said.

  2. BladenWolf 06/23/2011 at 8:51 AM #

    Well stated. The truth pure and simple. Carolina fans are apathetic to any type of criticism of “the carolina way”. This either points to their absolute bandwagon elitism or their abject ignorance.

  3. codebrown 06/23/2011 at 9:01 AM #

    The real tragedy here is that we might be short of a sure “quality win” for the next couple of years.

    I support Butch.

  4. Daily Update 06/23/2011 at 9:08 AM #

    Well said. I couldn’t agree more.

  5. BJD95 06/23/2011 at 9:15 AM #

    I have a Cliffs Notes version that sums up my feelings very well:

    Because…fuck Carolina. That is all.

  6. primacyone 06/23/2011 at 9:16 AM #

    Three Things:

    1) Hasbeengoodie

    2) I have found that I have lost a good amount of respect for several of my good friends that are Carolina fans. I don’t trust them, and seemingly for good reason. One thing to cheat, another to lie, cheat, and steal. I even changed Dentist as I found I had zero trust in the UNC grad dentist I was using.

    4) Keep up the heat. No doubt in my mind whatsoever, Butch MF Davis has more invovlement in this and there have potential recruiting violations that need to be investigate. If we let up, that discovery will probably never happen.

  7. packhammer 06/23/2011 at 9:33 AM #

    Interesting. Tudor has changed his tune dramatically this morning after his actually reading and thinking about the 42 page NoA. He was foolish to write his “Butch will be fine” article yesterday. The Unc spin machine must have really played him on Monday, and now he may well be really pissed about that. At least he should be. I would be furious, but mostly at myself for letting them do it to me.

  8. Wulfpack 06/23/2011 at 9:36 AM #

    So my wife and I are currently vacationing in New England. Yesterday, in Portland, Maine, we see a guy wearing a Carolina shirtwith some stupid stuff written about State and Duke on the back. So I approach the guy, introduce myself, and learn that he’s actually a UNC grad (imagine that) living in Cary. I mention the Heels in the College World Series, and he’s clueless. I mention the football investigation, and he’s just as clueless. Typical.

    I don’t have any issues with folks not being engaged in sports culture. But to be totally clueless about a major investigation at your school, that’s just comical. And lose the shirt, man. I know we ALL have similar stories — which is why I cannot stand Heels “fans”. Clue-less.

  9. awsmothers 06/23/2011 at 9:47 AM #

    LRM… That’s FABULOUS! Absolutely right on target… I couldn’t have said it better myself, although I try on my radio show everyday!

  10. awsmothers 06/23/2011 at 9:51 AM #

    I talked about it for over two hours on the show today (which you can listen to the replay of throughout the day), at http://www.ThePressBoxRadio.com … Let me say the Wolfpack-nation will love every minute of it! Please join in the discussion 7-10am each weekday morning!

  11. packof81 06/23/2011 at 9:58 AM #

    The firewall around the basketball program sure has held.

    People around the country are bound to be wondering why Davis, Baddour and Thorp are still employed, especially fans of schools where far more successful coaches have been fired for much less serious infractions.

  12. wolfpacker 06/23/2011 at 9:59 AM #


    If the BOG weren’t loaded with unx grads, they would be mad that they were snowballed by the so called ‘leadership’ in cheaters hill, including Bowles. I am certain they want to know how the recruits are coming. Everyone in the acc new what unx was up to which includes and is not limited to: the BOG and the acc commissioner they just thought they would be able to cheat, cover up, and hide it all.

    The unx grads were saying months ago, there was no letter or notice and the administration new all along it was in the works. Instead, they claimed that everything would be over in a short period of time.

    This is worse than a college student lying or cheating. These are supposed to be leaders at the ?flagship? university…WHAT A JOKE!

    They constantly compare themselves to schools of much higher standards and are simply looking like idiots right now and it’s fun to watch. Take a glance at how the situation at Ohio State was handled versus the mess in cheaters hill. It’s amazing the difference in how the two schools have handled the situations. While Tressel knowingly allowed these things to go on…if you think that butch didn’t have a clue…where do you think he was Mars? He’d have to be not to know all of the things that were going on. Ohio State stood up and said you aren’t going to make us look stupid, and unx has done the exact opposite. The unx administration, the bog, the acc commissioner are all looking foolish right now and for trusting butch davis and john blake, they SHOULD…it’s well deserved.

    butch davis is a liar, just ask anyone that has dealt with him. Why do you think he and Blake were friends for 30 years? Two peas in a pod.

  13. IamGumbyDammit 06/23/2011 at 10:13 AM #

    BJD95 Says:
    June 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 am I have a Cliffs Notes version that sums up my feelings very well:

    Because…fvck Carolina. That is all.


  14. Alpha Wolf 06/23/2011 at 10:22 AM #

    Your questions are not going high enough on the UNC-CH food chain. The buck doesn’t stop with Holden Thorp or Dick Baddour. They’re someone else’s bag men. They probably would love to wash their hands of Butch. But they can’t. Why?

    Because Butch has a wealthy benefactor that’s not only a major done but also sits on the BOT over there.

  15. MatSci94 06/23/2011 at 10:34 AM #

    from the ACC Comish last Nov regarding another school (and sport, not sure it matters)

    “The ACC suspended [coach] from coaching his team’s next game and also levied financial sanctions against [school]. The conference fined [school] $25,000 and is forcing the university to forfeit its $15,000 reimbursement for travel costs to the league tournament.

    Further, the ACC is sending a letter of reprimand to [coach] and to [AD], the [school] athletic director. Both [coach] and [AD] will be expected to submit to the ACC and its [sport’s] coaches a letter of apology by Nov. 12.

    “I’m highly disappointed in the decision [school] made and the integrity of our championships should never be compromised,” ACC Commissioner John Swofford said in a statement. “It’s important that the value of sportsmanship and leadership continue to be paramount in this league.”

    Comments regarding UNC football issues…

    ” “

  16. WolfBlood 06/23/2011 at 10:34 AM #

    At this rate we might be hearing “wait until basketball season” in August.

  17. Lunatic Fringe 06/23/2011 at 10:44 AM #

    As Dan Patrick stated, if you are going to cheat aren’t you supposed to actually be good?

    No one cares since UNC is irrelevant in football. We care since it is entertaining to see how they completely screwed it up in their attempt to be relevant.

  18. Rick 06/23/2011 at 10:45 AM #

    s l o w c l a p

  19. rtpack24 06/23/2011 at 10:54 AM #

    If Greg Little is ruled ineligible for the 08 and 09 seasons then would that not also vacant all the wins in basketball since Mr Little was an activated player on the b- ball team and actually played in numerous games? This would wipe out the ACC title!

  20. golf76 06/23/2011 at 10:59 AM #

    Ed Hardin had a good column about this issue this morning in the Greensboro News & Record. I’d paste the direct link but I’m not sure it can be accessed without setting up your own account on their website, and I’m unsure about distribution copyright issues. He ended the column with this:

    “North Carolina was on ESPN late Tuesday night. The school was all over news reports across the nation, with social media comments, chat-room discussions and home-page headlines on Sports Illustrated’s website calling the school “dirty.”

    And the worst is yet to come.

    North Carolina will open another college football season in September against the backdrop of riches and the smell of deceit. And a pending NCAA sentence will cover the Tar Heels like a shroud of shame.”

    For the full column: http://www.news-record.com/sports

  21. highstick 06/23/2011 at 11:04 AM #

    Great “ammo” for me today. I got “into it” last night with a couple of Tarholes and commented how much different this was than the NCAA investigation with V. I got this comment about “well, wasn’t there something else about stereos”?

    Jeez, what the heck did Washburn’s stereo deal have to do with the NCAA investigation?

    This article is “spot on”..They don’t have a clue now, nor have they had one in years over there!

    But, this whole saga goes to “the tone at the top”! If you’ve got a bunch of crooks and cheaters calling the shots at the top, i.e. BOG as well as the Big Money Donors”, having a compliance system in place is an absolute joke.

    The lack of institutional control is not an the “coach/player” level, IT’S AT THE FREAKIN’ TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN!

    When? OH, WHEN(to shout it) is someone going to realize that and expose it! It was hinted at yesterday on Joe and Adam’s show, but that’s where the big problem is and it’s going to take a Sec of State, Atty General, Legislature, and/or Governor to get involved. So effectively, this whole thing goes to the the “laps of the politicians” in NC.

    Remember who you’re voting for in the next election folks!

  22. kool k 06/23/2011 at 11:04 AM #

    I refer to them as only UNC-Chapel Hill, the same way I would refer to UNC-Wilmington or UNC-Greensboro (No offense to those fine institutions)…for they are nothing more than a directional school. It seems to tick them off the same way referring to the University of South Carolina as “Carolina” tends to irritate them in their khakis.

  23. Plz2BStateFan 06/23/2011 at 11:28 AM #

    This article about why we care could go on for pages and pages. There are so many reasons and examples. I was disappointed in this articles length TBH.

  24. runwiththepack 06/23/2011 at 11:41 AM #

    You really told “them”, LRM, whoever “them” is. Unfortunately “them” may be only UNC opponents unless the NCAA responds in proportion to the number of prongs and tar heels discovered, thus far, to be in violation.
    Of course they’re apathetic. Their operatives run this state. They feel untouchable, like the mob, and they have reason to feel this way.
    Many tar heels are actually embarrassed about this and want drastic action, but they are NOT the ruthless ones with the power.
    I suggest that when “we” post comments, especially on the N&O, ESPN, WRAL – ANY media forum, that we connect this UNC scandal to the Chapel Hill ruling elite that have carpetbagged this state for many generations.
    The scandal itself is not only unusual in it’s scale – it’s how the UNC ruling class has handled it with a glaring double standard.
    I’m not saying that there aren’t a lot of good – and GREAT – products from Chapel Hill. But too many of them have a peculiar sense of superiority and entitlement, which manifests itself in recent political corruption. This is just another chapter of their legacy.

  25. MrPack12 06/23/2011 at 11:42 AM #

    The majority of carolina fans can be summed up in two words: Pretentious Bastards.

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