NCAA & ACC Championships since 2000

The table below that can be seen in larger a format by clicking here ranks Atlantic Coast Conference institutions by the number of ACC Championships claimed since 2000 (the year that Lee Fowler came to NC State). Additionally, the italicized numbers in parantheses is the rank for each school in the designated column. For example, NC State ranks 12th (last) in number of National Championships and 9th (last of pre-expansion ACC schools) in number of different sports in which we have won an ACC Championship.

ACC & NCAA Titles

Some following notes &; bytes:

* The table ranks Atlantic Coast Conference institutions on the number of ACC Championships claimed by the institution since 2000 (the year that Lee Fowler came to NC State). The italicized numbers in parantheses is the rank for each school in the designated column.

* NC State is the only pre-expansion Atlantic Coast Conference school who has not won a National Championship in any sport. Virginia Tech, who joined the ACC with expansion in 2004/2005 is the only other ACC school to fail to win a National Championsip.

* NC State ranks 6th in total number of ACC Championships (edging Georgia Tech who recently hired a new Athletics Director) by one title.

* The depth and breadth of NC State’s ACC Championships are the most shallow in the conference as State and Wake Forest have each won Championships in only four sports. Wake Forest’s student enrollment is approximately 10% the size of NC State’s and represents the smallest student enrollment of any BCS football program in America.

* In just four years, Virginia Tech has already won Championships in five unique sports. The only schools that are tied or rank below NC State in number of different sports with a conference title are the former Big East programs who joined the ACC with expansion in 2004/2005 and private institutions with significantly smaller resource and alumni bases.

* The breakdown of NC State’s 14 ACC Championships are as follows:
– 5 in Men’s Cross Country
– 4 in Women’s Cross Country
– 1 in Softball
– 4 in Wrestling

* Prior to Fowler’s arrival in Raleigh, NC State had historically strong programs in three of those four sports under long time coaches Rollie Gieger and Bob Guzzo. Men’s Cross Country had won 9 ACC titles before Fowler arrived in Raleigh; Women’s Cross Country had won 17 ACC Titles pre-Fowler; and Wrestling had won 10 ACC titles.

* Despite years of focus and promotion for new facilities by Lee Fowler and NC State’s leadership, the only programs at NC State to win ACC Championships don’t/didn’t have facilties (running in the woods for cross-country and no field for softball) or share 60 year old Reynolds Coliseum with various other sports (wrestling).

* Since the beginning of the 2004 fall semester, both North Carolina and Duke have won more ACC Championships than NC State has won since 2000. Therefore, our biggest and closest rivals have added more ACC titles to their trophy cases in 4 years as NC State has in 8 years, twice that time.

* If you were to average the ranking of each school in all four categories, NC State would rank LAST amongst pre-expansion ACC programs with a ranking #9.75. Virginia Tech, who has competed in the ACC for half the time as NC State, is only a half of ranking behind with an average of #10.25. Amongst pre-expansion institutions, Clemson and Georgia Tech rank closest to NC State at #7.5, a whopping 30% ahead of the Wolfpack.

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69 Responses to NCAA & ACC Championships since 2000

  1. turfpack 04/28/2008 at 9:20 PM #

    Life as a wolfpack fan-SEND THE MONEY-SHUTUP! YOU BUNCH OF LUNATICS! WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. YOU KNOW WE WANT TO WIN.DUMBASSES!!!!!!!

  2. TopTenPack 04/28/2008 at 9:53 PM #

    wolfprof makes a great point. There are ways to support the university without supporting the leaderless athletic department. I personally don’t give a dime to the WPC, I would rather know that deserving students are getting scholarships without having a 95 mph fastball.

  3. gcpack 04/28/2008 at 11:07 PM #

    I posted this a few days ago under the track story. Mine was the last entry so I don’t think many, if any, saw it as there were no entries after mine. I thought I would repost it here for your consideration.

    Lately I have been questioning Lee Fowler’s performance but I am feeling that maybe SFN is laying it on a little thick with the criticism.

    SFN: Just curious..but how are we ‘criticizing’ in an entry where we make NO editorial comments and simply lay out facts and statistics? We don’t do one ounce of ‘critizing’ in this entry.

    My concerns are with the sports that we have become perennial losers or bottom feeders within the conference and the respective coaches that have been with the teams long enough to achieve results.

    An example would be the men’s soccer program. The coach is just coasting along and apparently there is no pressure on him to improve the team’s performance. He clearly cannot recruit sufficiently or coach those he has to success.

    In other cases such as women’s vollyeball we have a bad record but the coach is fairly new and should have more time to develop the team.

    Overall if we as an institution want to excel in more of these non-revenue sports then it is up to more people than just Lee Fowler. In the past, while I was in school, we had an athletic director (Willis Casey) who had been the swimming coach. It would seem to me that his background in a non-revenue sport shaped the athletic program and State did compete better in these sports. It is a natural byproduct of the background of the athletic director at the time. With Casey’s success it wasn’t nescessary for the school to mandate an expected level of success in these sports.

    In the absence of that background among the athletic directors since (Valvano, Trader Turner[just the worst], Robinson and Fowler) those sports may have lost some instinctive support. Maybe in the past under Casey it did not have to be mandated and the university become comfortable with not having to press for success in these sports.

    The trustees and/or other influential alumni and supporters need to demand and take action to become more aggressive with performance expectations with these sports. If we as a major university want this improvement that will have to come from those with influence. That may include some who visit and participate here at SFN but I suspect most of us here(including myself) are not in the financial situation to have that type of influence. As with any university those with that influence will tend to be a small percentage relative to all supporters and alumni.

    In other words these people such as the trustees have to mandate this improvement within these sports and charge the athletic director with that responsibility. If that is not being done now & the university is happy with the status quo in the performance of the athletic department then Lee Fowler is doing what the university hired him to do.

    My hope is that some of those WITH influence are reading these blogs and will take up the cause to require a more successful record on the field in non-revenue sports from the athletic department. If the university leadership does that then whoever the athletic director is will have his/her marching orders and be expected to adhere to them.

    SFN: We could not agree more with your perspective that the lack of leadership provided by the Board of Trustees, Chancellor and Wolfpack Club are ALL equally or more responsible for our current mess.

  4. dR. dIX hILL 04/29/2008 at 6:11 AM #

    What we have to do is start educating the NC State BOT about the state of the athletics program and let them know how we feel. We need to hit them hard.

  5. Noah 04/29/2008 at 8:14 AM #

    I think Oblinger and the BOT are perfectly aware of the state of NCSU athletics. I just don’t think they understand the VALUE of a strong athletics program.

  6. choppack1 04/29/2008 at 8:19 AM #

    Noah – Sadly, I think you’re right. But heck, if you don’t care if NC State is the next University of Phoenix, what does it matter?

  7. Classof89 04/29/2008 at 8:53 AM #

    I’ve asked this before in various threads, and not gotten a response. When was the last time we won an ACC championship (a) in a sport where all 12 member schools compete (eliminates the Champs. in softball and wrestling) OTHER than our traditionally strong programs in Cross Country? (cue crickets chirping). I believe the answer may be that last Womens Hoops championship we won in the early 1990s (?)…

    As an aside, given the strength of our Cross Country in bringing top notch distance runners to NC State, it is astounding to me that we don’t do better in Track and Field (what I mean is, since the CC scholarship budget takes care of bringing in great distance runners, wouldn’t that free up the Track and Field scholarship budget to focus on sprints and field events?) Am I missing something? The CC runners do compete in the distance events in spring track and field, don’t they?

  8. Daily Update 04/29/2008 at 9:11 AM #

    Statefansnation asked for WPC/booster club rankings. Here you go:

    http://vcafo.org/support_bulletin/2007/2007-19.pdf

    BCS rank capital funds raised – 10th
    WPC BCS rank in 2006 donations – 14th
    Membership #s – 5th (20,000+)

    This is the key piece of evidence that backs up criticism of our lack of success.

    An interesting chart to make would be to take these numbers and rank the ACC schools.

  9. Wulfpack 04/29/2008 at 9:14 AM #

    ^As long as those numbers continue to hold up, getting rid of LF is going to get harder and harder. Money talks.

    SFN: Why? Lee Fowler doesn’t run the Wolfpack Club. He runs the Athletics Department.

  10. Noah 04/29/2008 at 9:20 AM #

    I don’t think we have won a league title since expansion. I think our last title overall was 1987, wasn’t it?

  11. StateFans 04/29/2008 at 9:25 AM #

    ^ 1987 in both men’s & women’s basketball

  12. Wulfpack 04/29/2008 at 9:28 AM #

    “SFN: Why? Lee Fowler doesn’t run the Wolfpack Club. He runs the Athletics Department.”

    Well, folks are still giving. He’s doing that part of his job, and that is a major part of his job. The figures do not lie. That’s our catch-22. Our teams suck, but the money is pouring in. So if you are a superior, what exactly is the problem? And can you afford to let him go when the money is coming in like it is?

  13. packbackr04 04/29/2008 at 10:06 AM #

    Wulfpak^ but Lee isnt responsible at all for the money thats pouring in, that is Bobby Purcell, head of the Wolfpack Club. Lee has accomplished nothing (unless you consider tha fact that he sired some hot daughters)

  14. TopTenPack 04/29/2008 at 10:21 AM #
  15. Wulfpack 04/29/2008 at 10:21 AM #

    ^Well, he is at the top of the entity of which they are giving to — the athletics department (scholarships, facilities, etc.). So tell me how he isn’t responsible? He IS the leader. Bobby is selling the donors on the very department that LF leads. Why do we continue to give to a product that is so mismanaged? As long as those key decision makers don’t have to ask why people aren’t giving, he doesn’t really have to answer to anyone as it relates to that part of his job.

    Jeff: The answer to your question of “why” is simple – Lifetime Rights.

  16. Classof89 04/29/2008 at 10:30 AM #

    So we haven’t won an ACC title in a sport where all league members participate (whether it was 12 or 9) since 1987? Didn’t Judy Martino, the volleyball coach who was fired and then sued Todd Turner, bring home a volleyball championship around 1989 or so?

    Didn’t mens soccer win the ACC the year they went to the Nat’l Championship game?

    I’d like to see a chart of last ACC championship (if any) won, by year, by sport. For some of our teams it will have been so long, it probably predates the internet era (heck, even the computer era in some cases)

  17. choppack1 04/29/2008 at 10:32 AM #

    In case your wondering how we fare in the athletic donations compared to the rest of the conference…

    UNC 1
    UVA 2
    FSU 11
    NCSU 14
    DUKE 17
    GAT 18
    VAT 19
    CLEM 22
    MU 29
    BC 31
    WFU 46
    UMD – None given.

  18. rtpack24 04/29/2008 at 10:34 AM #

    I was sitting with some former football players at the red white game and in the second half Lee walked over with his wife and spoke to a gentleman sitting near by. He and his wife sat there most of the second half then got up and left. It seemed really strange that the AD would be at the red white game of the #1 revenue sport at his school with only his wife. You would think he would be there talking to big boosters or the press but I guess that would require too much effort.

  19. kyjelly 04/29/2008 at 10:35 AM #

    Gee this is all very very sad indeed

  20. WV Wolf 04/29/2008 at 11:01 AM #

    Most recent ACC titles:

    Football–1979, 7 total
    M Basketball–1987, 10 total
    W Basketball–1991, 4 total
    Baseball–1992, 5 total
    M Cross Country–2006, 14 total
    W Cross Country–2006, 21 total
    M Golf–1990, 1 total
    W Golf–none
    M Soccer–1990, 1 total
    W Soccer–1988, 1 total
    Softball–2006, 1 total
    M Swimming–1992, 24 total
    W Swimming–1980, 2 total
    M Tennis–1979, 2 total
    W Tennis–none
    M Outdoor Track–1996, 8 total
    W Outdoor Track–none
    M Indoor Track–1988, 1 total
    W Indoor Track–none
    Volleyball–1987, 1 total
    Wrestling–2007, 14 total

  21. StateFans 04/29/2008 at 11:50 AM #

    So, Kay Yow has only won 4 ACC Titles in all of these years? And, that is including the early days of the sport when there were only 4 or 5 programs in the league. Wow

  22. ruffles31 04/29/2008 at 12:13 PM #

    So, since 1992, the last time NCSU won an ACC title in something besides the 5 that the Pack won during the last completed school year (2006-07):

    Men’s Cross Country
    Women’s Cross Country
    Softball
    Wrestling

    is Men’s Outdoor Track in 1996. And before that, we hadn’t won an ACC title in any other sport since 1992.

    That is unbelievably hard to fathom.

    Is it coincidence that that is the same time that FSU was admitted to the league? Probably, although we finished 2nd to them in football a couple of times. Just a thought.

  23. WV Wolf 04/29/2008 at 12:17 PM #

    The ACC title in women’s basketball only goes back to 1978.

  24. Elrod 04/29/2008 at 12:30 PM #

    You know, you can usually make statistics say about anything you want. LF will look at this data and conclude that we are in the top half of the conference in the number of titles. Mind you, I disagree that is the best conclusion to be drawn, but it is what he will see.

  25. packbackr04 04/29/2008 at 1:01 PM #

    who cares if you are winning titles in water polo. we want to win at the 2 big revenue sports. if you win football and basketball games. young athletes will see it and want to play tennis and golf for you. win the big ones and the non-revenue sports will follow.

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