Bubble Coach is Good Enough For NC State

Tom Sorensen from the Charlotte Observer in today’s article:

We hear about bubble teams. N.C. State’s Herb Sendek is a bubble coach.

He’s too good to fire but he’s not good enough to fire up fans.

He has a winning record but he can’t beat Duke or North Carolina.

He always gets to the NCAA tournament but he never competes for the championship.

The best word to describe his work is solid. His seasons at N.C. State have been devoid of scandal. He is a solid citizen. He does a solid job.

Question: What happens to solid coaches at North Carolina and Duke?

Answer: Ask North Carolina’s Matt Doherty and Duke’s Pete Gaudet.

Sorensen’s piece goes on to talk about how tough it is to be at NC State and compete with Carolina and Duke…yada…yada…yada. All the same ridiculous crap that you’ve heard before. As if we play Carolina and Duke every game and as if no other school in the country has to get by Carolina and Duke in the NCAA Tournament. (More on this later).

The problem with all of this “Carolina & Duke” stuff is that it is wrong. NC State DOESN’T have to compete with Carolina & Duke. Can’t you tell? The losers in our athletics administration and at the University DON’T feel that they have to compete with Carolina and Duke and they prove it over and over and over again every single day and in every single (not) decision that they are cowardly to make.

The media talks about competing with Carolina and Duke. The fans talk about competing with Carolina and Duke. But, the only time Lee Fowler and folks at NC State talk about competing with Carolina and Duke is when they are making another excuse for why their version of NC State can’t succeed.

As Lee Fowler so eloquently stated last year,

“Our fans are comparing ourselves to Duke and North Carolina. Every program in the country doesn’t do well when you’re compared with those two on a day-to-day basis. I understand that our fans want to be able to compete with them; we all do. But you can be real good on a daily basis and not be better than those two programs.�

Don’t you get it…NC State can be “real good” without competing with Carolina and Duke. Here’s a question — are we? Are we “real good”? I guess only Lee Fowler can answer that since only Lee Fowler knows the definitions of such immeasurable terms. But, this year’s performance didn’t at all match Fowler’s preseason expectations.

If this is the way that NC State wants to run its Athletics Department and the University, then that is great. Unfortunately…that is not what was told to all of the thousands of NC State fans who the Wolfpack Club solicitied for millions of dollars over the last 15 years. For 15 years…all we have heard is how we have to have these great facilities to compete with the best. We have to have these great facilities to be the best. Suddenly, we are told and we run our program in a completely different manner than we were marketed. It’s called bait & switch. And, you and I are called suckers.

Today, we have a coach that has been given a DECADE of opportunity to succeed. We have a coach that has had the nation’s top college basketball arena at his disposal and has recently added one of the top practice facilities in the country. With those resources, this coach has succeeded in destroying the NC State fanbase’s sense of community in route to compiling:

* The second worst record of performance in the history of the NC State program

* performance that clearly ranks him ahead of a ONE of the 17 coaches in ACC history that have been provided the honor to coach for a decade or longer in the ACC.

Folks…it is as good as it is going to get.

This is obviously as good as the administration wants to aim. You need to know this. You need to realize this. And, you need to stop acting like everyone else in the world has your historical perspective and has your standards of success. The administration doesn’t care about having a championship-caliber program. They never address the topic and at this point, if someone from NC State would dare make such a claim then you need to move away quickly before the lightening strikes them. So, why should we care?

When you finally accept the truth…perhaps you can a chuckle at the University that is currently raising over a billion dollars in what they call the “Achieve!!” campaign so that NC State can compete with higher ranked universities. Gee…where have I heard that before?

I think that they should rename it “Solid!!!”

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93 Responses to Bubble Coach is Good Enough For NC State

  1. jesse 03/22/2006 at 12:44 PM #

    i was trying to cheer rick and class of 85 up. but yes it was 95% a joke. but you never know since like you guys say “we are stuck with herb” so maybe our only hope is the old “win one for coach” route.

  2. WolfInVolCountry 03/22/2006 at 1:07 PM #

    I had a conversation with a State Alum today in the hall here at work. He has totally bought in to the mind-set that the 70s and 80s were glory years and that we will not be able to repeat them. He thought that UNC and Duke were high profile programs with which we can no longer recruit and compete, and we should not try.

    THIS IS FROM A STATE GRAD!

    Someone please pass me the Prozac… I am so depressed.

  3. RAW 03/22/2006 at 1:50 PM #

    I’m telling anyone who will listen, bring in Mike Anderson from UAB! I am convinced that he can win big at NC State, or anywhere. If we don’t move soon, Arkansas will make a move for him, just you watch.

    I like Herb, I really do. His WolfPack teams just don’t have any guts. When things get hard, they almost always fold. If that much could change, I would be satisfied, and I think that banners would come soon after as well.

  4. RAW 03/22/2006 at 2:01 PM #

    I keep hearing people saying that Herb is #2 worst ever in relation to coaches who were employed for 10 years or more in the ACC. Who’s #1?

  5. RAW 03/22/2006 at 2:04 PM #

    Cliff Ellis?

  6. Rick 03/22/2006 at 2:07 PM #

    Raw,
    Exactly

  7. RAW 03/22/2006 at 2:08 PM #

    Oh that’s terrible.

  8. James 03/22/2006 at 2:25 PM #

    How can you call Herb the 2nd worst coach when he has taken State to five straight NCAA tournaments? Who was the last State coach to lead a team to five straight tournaments?

  9. RickJ 03/22/2006 at 2:32 PM #

    RAW – It was Hoot Gibson of Virginia.

  10. beowolf 03/22/2006 at 2:34 PM #

    James has a point. Case and Sloan never accomplished that. Only Jim Valvano did.

    Could be another reason for that disparity, but I’m not saying.

  11. cdjd75 03/22/2006 at 2:35 PM #

    HIRE A KID RIGHT OUT OF HIGHSCHOOL.

    Or his coach if he looks like he might want to compete and has any b*lls at all! Get ANYBODY in here with that outwardly shows some enthusiam. They can either be stupid or just cocky as h*ll, but just find someone that is deliriuos enough to think he can complete with what everyone considers the “god like” programs that are just so untouchable. The programs with lesser or equal resources, that are sitting right in poor little ole NCSU’s own backyard.

    Is that asking just way too d*mn much?

  12. RAW 03/22/2006 at 2:37 PM #

    If Case and Sloan had been in an era of 34 at-large bids invited to the tournament every year, they probably would have. Even the Great Dean Smith didn’t get his guys in 5 times in a row before at-larges were taken.

  13. James 03/22/2006 at 2:37 PM #

    The players are beginning to buy into Herb’s system. Why break their relationship with there coach? How do you all know that Ced won’t leave if Herb leaves? We could lose a group of great guys if Herb is gone too.

  14. DCM 03/22/2006 at 2:39 PM #

    Does anyone have any statistics about Herb’s record over the last 5 years?

    Additionally, if you look down the Top 25, there are not a lot of basketball programs there I would switch places, or coached with.

    Its just my opinion, but by my count there is only a handful of programs in the country that have a better talent level and record than NC State. Unfortunately for us, two of them live next door. The others live in Washington and, maybe, Philly (Nova).

    You Haters need to take a long look at the direction and history of a lot of these programs you envy vs the NC State program today. If you guys think for one minute that Gonzaga, Memphis, or any of these other teams, save a handful, would have fared better in the ACC, and partuclarly against Duke and UNC, over the last 3 years, you are on shaky ground at best.

    I will admit, Herb has had trouble getting a kid in here to run the point and get the offense flowing. But that is on the way now. The talent level at State is better than it has been in 20 years, and its only getting better. Next year, with the graduation of Ilian “the speedburner” Evtimov, there will be more athleticism on the floor. And lets not forget, that this season we were hurt more than most of you understand by the injury of an outstanding player, Brandon Costner.

  15. WufPacker 03/22/2006 at 2:48 PM #

    ^Wow. You spent a lot of time saying pretty much nothing at all. And FWIW I don’t want Memphis’ program or conference…I want their coach.

  16. VaWolf82 03/22/2006 at 2:49 PM #

    Does anyone have any statistics about Herb’s record over the last 5 years?

    Here’s some stuff from before this season comparing State and other teams in the ACC ’02-’05. I’ll update and enlarge this entry after the tournament is over.

    http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2005/12/13/rpi-and-the-acc/

    Check the links down the right-hand side of the main page under “Absolute Best Stat Entries”….there are alot more there.

  17. RAW 03/22/2006 at 2:54 PM #

    Herb’s success took the biggest jump after 5 years. Do coaches operate on a 5-year cycle? Maybe next year is his year, it sure sounds like we are going to find out.

  18. beowolf 03/22/2006 at 2:59 PM #

    *The players are beginning to buy into Herb’s system. Why break their relationship with there coach? How do you all know that Ced won’t leave if Herb leaves? We could lose a group of great guys if Herb is gone too.*

    James, if you’re as into it as it seems from that post, don’t tell anyone but there are any number of fast food restaurants that have *whole boxes’ worth* of straws to grasp at.

  19. DCM 03/22/2006 at 3:01 PM #

    My point is that there is maybe two or three coaches out there that can immediately give the Haters what they want. And that is a maybe at best. Maybe Nova, Washington, and UConn are the only programs that could go head to head with the current Duke – UNC tandem, and finish better than 3rd in the ACC. Maybe Pitino could do it. Maybe.

    And right now, Herb is beating Nova on the recruiting trail almost every single time.

    Now if you guys want to let another mid-major coach cut his teeth with our team, then we have different agendas. Next years Pack is lookin a whole lot more athletic all the time. We finally are getting past Herb’s recruiting failures with the Engin Atsur class. There arent too many coaches recruiting better than Herb over the last three years.

    As far as Calipari is concerned, the Memphis folks were ready to run him off last year. No way he survives in the ACC. He’s made his name off coaching in substandard conference. The A-10 and C-USA. A joke.

  20. theTHRILL 03/22/2006 at 3:02 PM #

    [quote]The players are beginning to buy into Herb’s system. Why break their relationship with there coach? [/quote]
    This guy can’t really believe the things he’s posting. He just can’t.

  21. RAW 03/22/2006 at 3:11 PM #

    We are landing recruits that are ALL nationally ranked…

  22. Rick 03/22/2006 at 3:13 PM #

    “And right now, Herb is beating Nova on the recruiting trail almost every single time. ”

    Please provide proof of this because I did not know Nova was after our 100+ rated kids coming in this year.

  23. scott 03/22/2006 at 3:15 PM #

    Wow, DCM, what a lot of words just to say you like mediocrity. 22 or 23 of those teams had better records this year than Herb has had in 10 years, but you wouldn’t want to switch places. I think you’ve got the mind of Lee Fowler (that’s NOT a compliment).

  24. Jeff 03/22/2006 at 3:17 PM #
  25. DCM 03/22/2006 at 3:18 PM #

    If the Haters would sit back and access the situation, they would realize that Herb Sendek, and maybe Paul Hewitt, are the only two coaches in the ACC that even have a chance to compete with UNC and Duke, which means to also compete nationally. Because finishing 3rd in the ACC the next few years, no matter who it is, means you are a national contender.

    Thats no excuse for finishing 3rd, it sucks. But it doesnt change the fact that the 3rd best ACC could very easily be a top 10 team for many years to come.

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