Campout Draws Small Crowd

My, how things have changed.

The article linked above and yesterday’s “Shooting Gallery” conversation got me thinking some about the past and the topic of the campout.

I was a student at NC State from 1989 through 1993.

From a basketball perspective, these certainly were not the “glory years” about which I had increasingly dreamed as my departure for college got closer and closer with each passing day of the decade. The Wolfpack’s performance on the court grew gradually worse during my years at State as the “you can’t win and run clean program” crowd welcomed the power provided them by a constituency who could have cared less about NC State. But, despite the gradual decline in the program, I had the pleasure experiencing the following first hand:

* I saw Jim Valvano railroaded out of town.
* I saw 12,400 yellow ribbons affixed to every Wolfpacker in Reynolds Coliseum in V’s last home game as State fell one game short of a perfect home record for the year with a loss to Wake Forest.
* I saw out of conference schedules that included neat, nationally televised games against teams like DePaul and Syracuse and UConn and others.
* I saw ACC vs Big East Challenge games in Greensboro.
* I saw highly-rated Duke visit Reynolds only to be turned away (like they so often were in those years) in a game that featured a young Bryant Feggins sending an Ala Abdelnaby baseline shot about 25 rows into the stands.
* I saw Chris Corchiani and Rodney Monroe threaten to transfer.
* I saw Avie Lester victimized beyond reproach by a screwed-up, directionaless University and Athletics Department.
* I sat between the baskets for every single NC State Basketball game of my freshman year.
* I sat directly behind Georgia Tech’s bench (almost 15 years ago to the day) when Rodney Monroe was unstoppable and went for almost 50 points.
* I saw a skinny kid from Huntington, NY named Tom Gugliotta go off in the Pepsi Challenge in Charlotte and never slow down.
* I saw Les Robinson use a little guy named Keith ‘Mister’ Jennings at East Tennessee State to beat Jim Valvano in an early season game and then take his job a few months later.
* I saw Migjen Bakali go off from the 3-point line in a home game against Maryland that you still wouldn’t believe. (28 points in the first half?0; I saw the same Bakali set an NCAA Tournament record for three-pointers at Cole Field House against Clarence Weatherspoon and Southern Miss; I saw the same Bakali do an awful lot of drinking whenever I didn’t see him on the court.
* I saw Les Robinson wear a lot of red sweaters and do a lot of clapping followed by shaking his two fists in the air.
* I saw some a lot of bad basketball in between Les’ nice wins over Carolina.
* ….and, I sat on the first row, behind the NC State bench, for the State-Carolina game as a freshman. That would be “Group One, Line One” for all of you home gamers out there.

As I look back on those years, I conclude that having seen all of these things isn’t nearly as important as remembering all of them with the happiness createed from the overall experiences and interactive fellowship that were a part of these events. A huge majority of those fond memories were derived from nights of camping for tickets — the people that you meet in the atmosphere, the natural anticipation that builds up for the event, and the fun things that you with people that you would otherwise not meet.

Like anything in life, these experiences obviously meant more than any average experience because we had to sacrifice time, effort, convenience, and other events just to earn the right to get tickets and attend the events. We had to camp out to attend. Therefore, we had to really want it.

Life wasn’t as easy as clicking a button and printing tickets from the warmth of University Towers; but, the camping experience wasn’t only about “sacrifice.” The experiences helped students refine valuable skills that are important in life – we had to manage our time efficiently, we had to be committed to and held responsible by a group of other people, we had to learn to prioritize things, we had to be innovative in the way that we scheduled our time, and we learned the value of the balance between commitment and pay-off.

I believe that campouts created significantly more intangible value on campus than the administration who decided to abolish the system must have realized. The “Pack Pride” that grows from a large group of students committing to a similar cause (no matter what the cause) is catalyst for student development and campus pride. Additionally, camping created a centralized area where students from all over campus had the opportunity to meet students that they would otherwise not have the opportunity to meet. How do you value a student body that knows each other significantly better and more intimately than not? How do you value the campus heartbeat created by a camping community? How do you value the life long contacts and relationships that grow from meeting others that you would not otherwise meet and with whom you fellowship?

When I was in school, there was nothing that created a stronger bond of lasting fellowship and goodwill that stuck with the members of the freshman class throughout their years on campus. Have you been to NC State recently? Do you have a clue what the dying social dynamic is like on campus? There is no centralized social hub as Hillsborough Street continues to struggle, and Western Boulevard, “Glenwood South” and Downtown Raleigh all add “social commuting” to a campus life that already resembles more of a commuting experience than a traditional college, residential experience.

Note how I have ignored the Greek System in my essay. Why shouldn’t I? The University sure as hell has.

The reality of the situation is that camping and attending games was a rite of passage at NC State. As a freshman, it was just what you did. It was part of your DNA. As a sophomore, you probably weren’t as committed to the process because you had growing responsibilities on campus. As an upper-classman, your ability to camp and attend games continued to dissipate into other responsibilities took precedent in your life and as the more committed freshmen back-filled your spot on campus.

That social system was fine. It worked for decades. It was merit-based and accepted by generations of students who realized that the equal opportunity to get something was the key tenant to the sytem. If someone else desired tickets with greater fervor than I and they were more willing to commit to earning the tickets, then they ultimately got good tickets. Due to their commitment in the quest of getting the tickets, they also were probably more committed to screaming and yelling and supporting the Wolfpack at the game.

It was neat. It was nice. It was healthy. It was a long-term tradition that bonded every student that came through campus for decades. Ah yes….bonding and tradition. Now that is something which is in abundance at NC State (sarcasm), isn’t it?

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38 Responses to Campout Draws Small Crowd

  1. formrwolffan 02/01/2006 at 4:30 PM #

    This post and these comments really hit home. While I am signed in as a “formrwolffan”, State will always be dear to my heart and I check this website regularly for Wolfpack news. What great memories this brought back. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) my children, while growing up State fans, have no interest in going to school there. So now even though I had season football tickets in C-F for many years after graduating, I have tickets to another ACC school so I can spend some time with one of them (thank goodness it is UVa rather than UNC because I couldn’t stomach that).
    I remember (fondly if somewhat painfully) camping out for tickets my freshman year (1975). Joined a fraternity later and tickets were easier to come by after that especially for football. To me it was a great place to go to school then. We thought State was important to the college academic, social, and sports world. We believed we were the equal to Carolina and Duke in basketball. Better than both in football of course. Seems foolish now, but we EXPECTED to win every game. Socially we thought we were better too. Carolina students regularly used to come to State – especially fraternity row and Hillsborough Street to party.
    What happened? Maybe we weren’t that good then, but it seems like State has gone in a different direction overall. Has as much as said that it would like to do away with the Greek system. Athletically we appear to be satisfied with mediocrity. Don’t seem to have as much respect as we did academically either.
    Can’t go back again, but damn I was proud of and dearly loved the old State.

  2. PACDADDY 02/01/2006 at 4:59 PM #

    That was a great read Jeff…brings back many memories. Thank you!

  3. Class of 1980 02/01/2006 at 5:20 PM #

    This thread has brought back memories that I have not had for decades. Basically, after V was forced to leave, I paid zero if any attention to Wolfpack sports. And, I might add, I am glad that I did not pay any attention to them. Who is going to give the rest of you back the time that you invested in such mediocrity?

    Recently, I attended some football games at CF for the first time since the early 1990’s. The facility is amazing and truly something to be proud of. However, who decided that ear splitting rap music is something that anyone wants to hear at a football game? Also, who came up with the cheer “That’s another Wolfpack first down”? In out day, one side of the stadium would cheer “Six” and the other side would cheer “Pack.” That says it all. We were looking for Ted Brown to score a touchdown and now we are looking for someone to not fumble as they perhaps get a first down.

    For the life of me, the “strategy” of winning the toss at the beginning of the football game and electing to not receive speaks volumes about the loser mentality that has permeated the coaching staff(s). Also, whatever happened to the huge “ancient” drum that was brought to each football game? Maybe it is still there but I did not see it.

    I think that I have to remember back to my midget league football days to experience football players who would block in the back on a fair catch or fair catch a ball inside the 5 yard line. And yet, at the three Wolfpack games I went to, I saw it almost every quarter. The fans around me were almost always in total denial and very defensive when I said that apparently, our players had the physical skills but were severely lacking in IQ.

    My favorite memory of Reynolds was staggering from Syme Dorm to the games that were always exciting. I suppose no one does such things anymore or at least, they don’t admit it. Does anyone remember Clyde the Glide stealing the ball and streaking down court and bounce passing it through his legs to a trailing teammate (Kenny Carr?) for a hammer dunk? My worst memory is when we had Carolina almost defeated and Dudley Bradley stole the ball at the last second and never stopped running until he got to the dressing room door. I never saw a building go from absolute frenzy to silence in so short a time span.

    I had not watched Wolfpack basketball until recently and I was stunned at what has become of our style of play. Even when we win, it is like a slow form of water torture. No wonder so many State fans seem to be ever neurotic about sports when they are asked to enable and defend a losing attitude straight from the 1950’s for a sport being played in 2006. There is absolutely no pleasure for the fans or the players in being required to play in a manner that is absolutely nonsensical.

    This web site is by far more professional and interesting than anything on the web. Keep up the good work and perhaps the coaches/administration will get a clue and be 100% in excellence like the State grads who post here.

  4. Jeff 02/01/2006 at 5:29 PM #

    I cannot tell alll of you how much I am enjoying these comments. Thank you so much for taking the time to share them. I have spoken to 3 different friends today who have mentioned how much they are enjoying your comments.

    Formrwolfman made a comment that I fear is becoming way too commonplace amongst Wolfpackers and high school students — “Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) my children, while growing up State fans, have no interest in going to school there.”

    I fear this about my own future children. The campus environment is extremely sterile, disperse, non-social, and so void of athletic pride and commitment (comparable to what used to exist) that it doesn’t surprise me that high school students seeking more complete college experiences shun West Raleigh for other institutions.

  5. class of '74 02/01/2006 at 5:40 PM #

    ^Jeff I wonder if grads older than I may have said or thought those same things about how things changed from their memories to my time or yours? Just a thought.

  6. Fish 02/01/2006 at 8:36 PM #

    Who wants to camp out and see that pathetic shit at the RBC Center? This Pack team is awful!

  7. VaWolf82 02/01/2006 at 8:50 PM #

    Does anyone remember Clyde the Glide stealing the ball and streaking down court and bounce passing it through his legs to a trailing teammate (Kenny Carr?) for a hammer dunk?

    If we are thinking about the same game….the pass was to Hawkeye…against UNC. If memory serves, Hawkeye was perfect from the field that night and missed one FT that night. I also have vague memories of the students screaming “Yonnnnnnnaker……..Yonnnnnnaker.”

    My worst memory is when we had Carolina almost defeated and Dudley Bradley stole the ball at the last second and never stopped running until he got to the dressing room door. I never saw a building go from absolute frenzy to silence in so short a time span.

    My freshman year. We had sits on the sideline near the baseline where Bradley dunked. Didn’t that game end with Kenny Matthews heaving one up from just past half-court?

  8. PACDADDY 02/01/2006 at 10:22 PM #

    ^yea…UNC had something like a 19 point lead and we come back to take the lead at the very end, only for DB to steal that ball…I was sick with the flu at home watching that on my 15 inch black and white TV in my bedroom by my bed and I kicked the TV off the table and busted it.

    Man I was pissed. VA..I don’t remember if we had a chance after that play because my TV was trashed.

    I quit doing that 🙂

  9. VaWolf82 02/01/2006 at 10:46 PM #

    I don’t remember if we had a chance after that play because my TV was trashed.

    I was standing on the bleacher and fell off just as Clyde got his pocket picked. By the time I recovered my balance, I saw Bradley’s head, the arm, and the BB just before it got slammed home. When I got back to the dorm room, I had several high school friends from UNC call me….drunk and laughing…not a good night.

  10. Oldwolf 02/02/2006 at 9:41 AM #

    I was in school from 69-74 for undergrad and grad school. I “camped out” for most games. No one had tents, we were jsut out in the cold – occasionally mattresses would be brought out. We would be on the front porch of Reynolds and when it got too cold, they used to let us inside – this was stopped when a small bonfire was built inside the lobby!

    Of course this did not happen in my freshman or sophmore years. More people went to the freshmen games (they were a seperate team) than the varsity, the year that DT and crew were freshmen.

    I was on the student sideline for most of my years and the games with Md were the biggest – we used to harrass Lefty big time!

    If you were not on the sideline then there were many bad seats.

    One difference then is that there were only a little over 12,000 students back then and close to 30,000 now. Most everyone lived on campus, the trend to move to apartments was beginning. The number of dorms has not significantly changed – this trend of most students living off campus is not insignificant to these kind of things.

    I was on Hillsborough street in 74 and 83. 3 of my children have either graduated or are attending State and my last one will most likely attend. They know of the “Glory Years”! It helps to have met my wife (State grad) while there and she went to the games back them with me!

  11. class of '74 02/03/2006 at 7:07 AM #

    ^Do you remember the rec rooms being devided by curtains to make space for additional students? My first room was in Becton’s rec “dorm room”.

  12. Ohio Wolfpacker 03/10/2006 at 3:39 PM #

    Camping out for tickets is part of what I remember most about my 5 yrs at NC State (93 to 98). We burned a couch which some guy tried to put out with a beer ( bad idea, wasting beer). I saw a freshman try to drink 24 beers in 12 hours. He made it to 23 and passed out. Better yet, the poor pizza guy. Les’s last year, we camped out for the UNC game, Les bought pizza’s for everyone camping out. The poor pizza guy got pulled out of his car and all his pizza taken. It was what I like to call the “pizza riot”. Speaking of Les, I got to see his last years at Glorious Reynolds. I have never seen a game in RBC and I am proud of that. I recently took my 5 year old boy to walk the court of Reynolds and told him this is where I stood when the Wolfpack beat the worthless Tar Heels in February of 96 on a last second shot. That game was about the only good game Ishua Benjamin ever played.

  13. roanwolf 12/14/2007 at 8:59 PM #

    90 – 94 here. In 92 or 93 we lucked up and got the 1st position 4th line for a duke game. I remember many things about state but this was some of the best times. The trashcan fires would attract drunk underclassmen like one of those old bug lights you used to have in the back yard would attract sketers. They also attracted homeless folks. Who we were more than happy to share beers with and yes even some of Les Robinson’s pizza. Free pizza is the biggest reason I will never slander Les. He was a good buddy. FREE PIZZA

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